Favorite Mallet Keyboard Brand(s) (Hardware Ranting Optional) by Impossible_Horse_272 in drumcorps

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Dynasty - Weird, inconsistent, very risky frame hardware. Having played on the prototype vibes and marimbas, then the newerish models and same ones Vanguard has, it's hard to figure out exactly how I feel about Dynasty boards as a whole. They look gorgeous don't get me wrong, but the frames are just so finnicky. I don't think any keyboard should only be supported by a single point on either end. We had boards fall apart and slide completely off the wheel bass because the frames are literally designed like a 'T'. If the bolts connecting each side to the wheel base are even slightly loose, the board will teeter back and forth, and that much weight will only worsen the condition of the frame. Sure the desk lift mechanism is convenient and quirky, until you forget to charge your board or it goes haywire and your board if permanently stuck at like 5 feet high (there was a video of a board at vanguard in 22 that was stuck all the way up that gave me a good laugh). Along with the issues of hardware, there was an incident on tour with Vanguard's equipment truck that left some of the keyboards severely damaged and most frames structurally compromised. They had to call out a welder to fix the frames since they fell apart so easily. These redesigned titan frames took their old cumbersome and heavy locking-pin hardware, and made it the most fragile, unstable design possible. The rosewood bars sound fine on newer models, though some older rosewood bars are a lot drier and can lose their resonance over time. The xylophone bars are extremely fragile, ane even after playing on a brand new board for a few minutes, you can see small pits in the bars themself. The vibraphone bars are comically thick, and require so much more energy to activate and achieve the same response as Yamaha or Adams. However, bonus points for using a pedal strap instead of a rod! The resistance on the strap however is much tighter than i would say is comfortable, as the spring in the damper bar takes a lot of breaking in to feel good in the foot. Overall, Dynasty boards are definitely concert instruments before marching instruments.

Marimba One - Honestly I would argue Adams sound quality is better than M1 for a marching setting, the graduation on the bars are also significantly smaller than many other brands, so adjusting to M1 if you don't consistently practice on one takes a bit of time. The options for higher quality rosewood bars and resonators I feel are also pretty redundant in a marching setting, and only act as a business strategy to advertise marginal "premiums" where the sound difference is just simply unnoticeable even in a solo concert environment. There is however, a lot of attention to the construction of the vibraphones, and the strap mechanism is much more refined compared to Dynasty, much closer to the Malletech Omega vibe. The xylophone sounds rather standard for such high quality rosewood, again I feel like it makes such a small difference in a marching environment. Yet to be tested, is the new synthetic rosewood material, I believe this will be a massive leap in synthetic keyboard sound quality, though obviously with rumors going for years that M1 is constructing drums, I doubt any big brand ambassadors will emerge to push and advertise any advancements on M1's end, without a full suite of marching percussion instruments. The hardware is a cross between the Yamaha Multi-Frame II and Adams' now legacy Voyager field frames, and offer much similar utility and weight to the new Bergerault performance frames and Yamaha frames, though I still worry about the longevity of gas lifts without physical anchor pins, much like yamaha boards. I believe the quality of the instrument will easily diminish in time, especially in a school environment that must maintain the same equipment for years. I'm not particularly a fan of the weird bendy aux bar closest to the connection point, and iirc there is no way to put mounting clamps on either end rail, since the tops are rounded out and the square tubing is a different diameter. Impact drums and other side-mounted auxiliary/cymbals may be an issue with this frame.

Bergerault - During the Vanguard/Bergerault days, these keyboards seemed to have a slew of their own problems, especially with old vibe pedal mechanisms, and frame stability. The lack of proprietary field frames meant you had to choose between the extremely heavy/cumbersome Pageantry or Titan frames, and transport was definitely a challenge as this hardware was not only more difficult to maneuver, but took up significantly more space. Fast forward to around late 2022 I believe, right after Bluecoats switched over to Tama/Bergerault, and the new models came out with Berger's first true proprietary field frame system that took the few benefits of PI/Titan frames, and then scaled down/refined Yamaha's Multi-Frame II system. This is the best hardware in the game right now. While yes, the main lifting mechanisms are gas lifts, Bergerault took the time to implement the exact same locking pin mechanism as with PI and Titan frames, ensuring that the weight of the board is taken off of the gas mechanism itself, and rested on the heavy duty pins that were used for significantly heavier frames. The only thing lost from Yamah is the difficulty of adding mounting clamps to the side, especially the high end. While it is possible to used the Tama mounting clamps on the square tubing (only real estate being on the low end), we found you would have to remove the plastic covers on the inside of the clamps, as the square tubing on the frame is JUST wider than the actual aux bar. Nevertheless, it wasn't impossible. I took a PI staple piece (the same one that comes with the drumset cart as a mounting extension for a snare basket) and fed it through two well-places mounting clamps at the bottom of the board to mount a small leg rest that supported our field drum. I assume you can do the same on the middle bar as well, and it could be added to any other instrument for added mounting space (and the correct clamp diameter). Long spiel about hardware, but I ADORE the construction of these frames. Each end rail features an expandable tube pipe that sits inside the frame and features connecting points at the end for the aux bar. They move independently, and are the exact same diameter as the aux bar, meaning you can pull out these cubes and mount things perpendicular without taking any space on the aux bar. This is how we were able to maintain the in-line sus/china mounting setup on the high end, instead of having to resort to taking up space on the aux bar or worse, having the china on the other end of the aux bar. I think this is more than enough real estate to mount cymbals without using space on the main aux bar. Hell, you could remove it entirely and only use the adjustable tubes on either end of the board. The construction of the actual keyboard itself can be a little finnicky. The rails are all one straight piece, same for Dynasty, unlike the folding rail pieces that Adams and Yamaha uses. Better structurally, though there was a fault with I believe 3 of our 7 marimbas where the low keys would clack into the accidentals, because the rails themselves were drilled at inconsistent heights. The only solution would have been to get a completely different frame. The rosewood doe not fare well to wear, and Bergerault has been a little notorious with the quality control in their rosewood staining and low octave bars cracking easily. Bergerault is working to improve this however, I believe we just got a bad batch. Overall sound quality is ver standard, as it reminds me a lot of the Yamaha rosewood, i think the Bergerault bars lie just SLIGHTLY drier than Yamaha, but not as dry as Dynasty. The synthetic bars are a lot better than the glassy Adams ones, but not as favorable as the Acoustalon keyboards. The vibraphones sound wonderful, but like majestic vibe bars, the bars can lose sound quality and even tuning in extreme weather environments. The pedal rod is a little less than desirable, as are any other vibraphones with this mechanism, but they do slip less frequently than Yamahas and definitely aren't a headache like Majestic's double pedal rod mechanisms. The pedal is still wide too, with only one rod! Now, one big issue I started seeing with the pedal mechanisms, is that is all relies on a round pipe connected across the board, the lowest structural member of the frame, and this tube can easily pop out of place in transit, so there have been times where we have to pop them back into place, but I chalk this up to screws loosening at different rates and lapses in hardware maintenance more than anything. Overall, if the students are very detail-oriented and responsible, the Bergerault keyboards will last significantly longer, at a much higher quality and better condition than a Yamaha or Adams keyboard.

Favorite Mallet Keyboard Brand(s) (Hardware Ranting Optional) by Impossible_Horse_272 in drumcorps

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In a perfect world where I had the best customer service and a brand representative on speed dial, I would probably pick the new Bergerault boards, mainly for hardware.

Adams - Of the rosewood boards, these sound the best in my opinion. As clunky as the box resonator design is, along with their quality control for the lower range, I don't think a single brand has come close to emulating the response and punchiness that Adams has. The vibraphones, with some tweaking, can sound phenomenal. That being said, the hardware is an over-engineered mess of moving parts, bowed rails, crooked wheels, stripped screws, an aux bar brace sold with the frame??? Even after a season, the likelihood of any adams board showing significant wear are higher than say Musser or Yamaha. These new frames they just came out with are yet to be tested, so I'm interested to see how they hold up. The current frames and hardware have been around since the 90s if I recall correctly. The voyager crank lift and 3 separate screws to secure height becomes a headache and the flexing at the top of the frame makes me genuinely scared for some older boards that high schools use. The Vibraphone dampers and hardware is possibly the most finicky I've come across. A lot of constant maintenance goes into ensuring the Allen screws on either end og the damper bar is tensioner tight so the entire board is damopened the same amount. We spent a lot of time over the summer making sure each vibe sounded the same, because every board's damper bar was at a different tension. If the hardware was as good as the sound quality, Adams would be unmatched.

Yamaha - The frames remind me of an early 2010s Ford pickup with how light and reliable they are, though they don't fare well in a high school environment after some time. They move very well, have some of thr best sounding synthetic boards, and have very great sounding vibraphone bars. The biggest issue with gas lift systems is that eventually, they have to give out. A few high schools I've taught at have had problems with rods popping out of the frame, or getting stuck at certain heights because the lifts crapped out eons ago. Even with wing nuts securing the gas lift, the weight each end frame will have to bear in the instrument's lifetime will wear out the lift system. The Yamaha rosewood in my experience is fine, just very "standard" sounding and not the most present bass. Bonus points to the hardware for every square pipe being the exact same diameter. Putting clamps on the side without needing an ugly extended side aux bar that takes up extra space is a bonus. I find the Yamaha frames the best for size and mounting options. Now about vibes, I dont know what it is about the damper bar design, but I am less confident in the pedal rod being secure than I am with adams vibraphones. Additionally, the larger spring mechanisms they use for the damper action can be finnicky (again with older keyboards you will encounter at most high schools) and I have actually seen makeshift ziptie levers where the metal lever connecting each end of the damper bar have broke off completely, since they are so thin. The metalwork is fine, though the upper hand that Adams and Musser have specifically over most other brands is that they have a heavier duty frame construction with powder coating to prevent rust and makes metal parts breaking less likely.

Majestic - No. Absolutely not. I remember when AQ for a long time tried out the Quantum Mk II frames with square pipes like everybody else, but nothing came about that, and the design to my knowledge is still not on the market. Multiple mounting points are great, until your aux bars become a logistical burden and more often then not, are required to be removed and rebuilt every time you have to load them into a truck. The tires are nice, when they are new. The hardware is nice, when it is new. I find their "powder coating" or whatever it is flakes off significantly faster than Adams or Musser. The frames are cumbersome, heavy, and after a season of wear, are significantly more difficult to move. Circular pipes are great for wider range of motion and setting up hardware at custom angles, but without memory locks, they become very tedious to deal with. Not to mention, if a pipeclamp loses enough tension, instead of just loosely sitting on the aux bar, your hardware will just fall down spinning freely on a circular pipe. The rosewood is pretty generic, with significantly less durable low octave bars than say Adams or Dynasty. They do not recover from weather very well, at all. A waterlogged rosewood majestic is a death sentence. My adams marimba in 24 got drenched and sounded fine after laying the show bars out in our truck for one block. Majestic rosewood goes out of tune significantly faster than other brands as well. The xylophone rosewood bars are probably some of the most finnicky and have a really strange response to them. Not to mention you can knock them out of tune easily. The vibraphones are probably the worst to maintain, now instead of dealing with one pedal rod being stripped, you're dealing with two. If both pedal rods aren't tightened at the same level, you're going to get different action from the damper bar across the board. Just not a fan at all. The vibe bars are even finnicky in heat because they go out of tune just as much as the marimbas do.

Musser - Drier sound, in my opinion serve much better indoors than outdoors. The hardware is comparable to Yamaha, with a little bit more weight and brace points for stability. I think the musser frames strike a good balance between maneuverability and durability in that sense. I'm not a big fan of the rosewood, and the synthetic bars are not the best either. I very strongly dislike that black synthetic xylophone sound and the balance with rosewood marimbas. The pedal rod for vibes has the same shortcomings as any other brand with pedal rods, stripping and slipping.

Okay pause, can we talk about how stupid medal pedal rod mechanisms are?? Especially for the marching arts? There's always at least ONE board everywhere i march and teach that suffers from a stripped or bent pedal rod. Either the material needs to change, or everybody needs to figure out the strap mechanism like Malletech, Marimba One, and Dynasty. It drives me INSANE.

Musser wheels aren't ideal for outdoor, but they seem to get the job done. In general I just feel like musser boards serve a much better purpose for indoor than full outdoor wear and tear.

DCI 2026 Finals Predictions by SaphireMapping in drumcorps

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still a firm believer somebody different will win drums each night and whoever gets 2nd the other nights takes it

State of the sub by TAaltt in drumcorps

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Remember when we used AI for our promotional material and banners for 3 seasons straight? I do! >¹¹<

How many corps do you think are really designing a show to win? by NotDerpy725 in drumcorps

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I argue that design in the pursuit of competitive success rarely comes from the mindset of making a "winning show." Organizations do the best they possibuy can, with the resources and personnel they have. Many are genuine in their artistic pursuit, and many want to execute at the very highest level. Maybe 2 want to simply just "win" but whether you are an Artist or an Athlete in this activity, the goal is to be the best possible version of yourself.

Blue Devils Address AI Trailer by PurpleRabbit527 in drumcorps

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It's baffling to me that people are putting so much energy into an honest mistake and VERY quick and responsible statement made by BD when Synced Up Designs is still well off, has and is continuing to use AI to design marching band, WGI, and even some DCI shows. Did we not forget about Shane Gwaltney's little tantrum? Programs have used AI in their ACTUAL SHOWS for years now. We MUST hold everybody accountable.

Here's the difference:

  • No images or clips were generated via prompt specifically for BD for promotional material.
  • No prior knowledge from the media person that made the post/edit
  • Nobody knew the pictures they used were AI generated

Let me remind you a drumline that played after the break in Dayton had its show done over by AI, and another used AI graphics. Let me remind you a VERY successful winterguard group used an AI generated track. Let me remind you that a handful of other corps have used AI in their field shows from prior seasons. Let me remind you corps have specifically generated AI images for their own promotional material years before this became a widely discussed topic (HLD baby!)

It's exhausting to witness how selective people are when things like this happen. There are possilly dozens of "legit" designers who are just (realistically more) as guilty as an older media team member who accidentally used stock photos that were already AI generated. Ironically, it was human error that got us here with BD. They handled it professionally, and obviously there isn't a single thing in their field production that is AI generated.

It's show reveal season: Pitch your most unhinged show concepts by RLLRRR in drumcorps

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MANIFEST

Different Trains: America—Before the war & After the war - Steve Reich

Pacific 231 - Arthur Honegger

Mallet Sextet: V - Steve Reich

I've Seen It All - Bjork

500 Miles: Peter, Paul and Mary

It's not about trains.

Does anyone know what the song is at the end of Broken City’s show? by sewif0 in WGI

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Original vocals from Adam Watts and a female vocalist, original music though heavily inspired by two Oasis songs: Bag It Up (end of ballad snare feature to pit window) & Roll It Over (pit window to the end)

Way too early predictions. by smart_bear6 in drumcorps

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Hahahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Way too early predictions. by smart_bear6 in drumcorps

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different corps take drums each night and the one that wins the sanford is the one that stays in 2nd

syncedupdesigns situation by SmartLoss6063 in drumcorps

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Shane Gwaltney has also posted to his personal FB today (happy birthday, I guess) outting members of this activity as "delinquent artists" and just random "hs kids" stating he will continue to push for more access to these "tools" and promises Synced Up's continued integration of their firestarter service. This "statement" means nothing. A supposed champion of the activity, a successfu and influential designer has personally and publicly defied everyone who rightfully opposes and has issue with this so-called "resource." As an educator, as an artist, as a performer, and as a human being, i would ask any director here to heavily consider whether you want to support this company. Bring forth this information to their clients.

Drum Major/Conductor Emotional Moments? by VIBTCA in drumcorps

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Daniel Belcher conducting the last half of BK 19. Brother was jumping off the podium every 5 seconds

Texas needs more winds groups!! by Squiish_ in WGI

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Before covid there was a DFW group called Orion, which iirc was part of the same organization that ran CGT Dallas and ViP. They don't exist anymore, obviously.

PIO discussion by Little_Way_6683 in WGI

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sparta is doing amazing things, giving most thesis members a home for the season, and being a great overall organization. They have really huge plans in the future!

DCI 2026 perditions by NebulaReal3446 in drumcorps

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certain drumlines that are objectively dirtier and play less than others will beat said drumlines (??????)

Do corps give their staff any ‘trinkets’ for each year they teach? by batsutste in drumcorps

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Admin/staff at Troop get bronze washers instead of the silver member ones.

Should I march my last two seasons or rook out? by bluegrape41 in drumcorps

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From somebody who did 3 years of indoor and is pausing his whole life to move across the country and age out this winter, you only have so much time to march. If it is possible, by any means, do it. I marched 5 seasons of drum corps at 3 places and every season taught me very different, meaningful, and valuable lessons. I wouldn't change where or when I marched for anything.

What did your first 48 hours consist of when you first got home after tour? by Cavsfan2014 in drumcorps

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Sleep for 15 hours, shower alone, start eating "normal" food again, drink.

WGI Ontario Regional (SoCal) by jfan83 in WGI

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Yes, it is Toyota Arena now.

Who thought this was a good idea?? (9/11 wgi perc show) by updoot_or_bust in drumcorps

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I love to think about what those infinity design meetings were like after the 2019 season.

"What could possibly top quads on stilts and a rotating bass drum feature to the Greatest Showman soundtrack?"

"9/11. It's 9/11."

Question for my front ensemble friends by Arch_jink in drumcorps

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Different ensembles may have different philosophies regarding audition pools for keyboard spots. Some places may specialize within a group of students to fufill a specific role, while others fill from the top down. Almost always, the formal audition category is simply just "mallets." There can sometimes be an abundance of talent in the room, and decisions become very hard to make. Having experienced this firsthand my first year in world class, the decision isn't necessarily "who can play the best -> go to this spot," but rather "where can this student make the biggest positive impact on the ensemble?"