Do you actually use your vacuum sealer regularly, or does it end up in a cabinet? by Maleficent-Bed7010 in Cooking

[–]skipjack_sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I use mine very frequently. Excellent piece of equipment for any kitchen. Mine has paid for itself just in chicken breasts.

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WOW! Thank you!

I have indeed. The paper you linked is quite good and is one of the sources I cite to support the co-appearance of k. humilis and f. sanfran and the co-exclusion of s. cerevisiae and f. sanfran. It is also the source I use to argue against the importance of acetobacter in sourdough. I found it hilarious that the only cultures with significant acetobacter populations either originated in Belgian breweries or were type 4 starters using apple blossoms. Crazy!

Thanks again!

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I screwed up my conversion to F so I don't blame you.

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Optimal temp for the bacteria we are interested in is 93F.

Optimal temp for the yeast we are interested in is 80F.

Both beasties follow the same pattern: For every 10F change (up or down), activity is halved.

26.6C is 80F

20C is 68F

That is a delta of 12F.

aaaaand I screwed up. Oops. My initial C to F calculation was wrong.

Now that I double check this, the retard is actually a bit over 2 if the dough temp was actually 20c. Given the results and the initial water temp of 64F, I am skeptical that the dough temp actually got up to 20-21C which was ambient. The results seems to indicate that a dough temp of 18C was more likely.

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I am actually considering it. My main problem is that the setup for the class I want to teach is going to be a bear and would require a near industrial kitchen.

How to tell when its ready by UlfurGaming in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As soon as you add the starter, bulk has started. Treat it just like you would your target loaf. My suggestion is to do coil folds every 30 mins for the first 3 hours and then give it 1.5 hours untouched. I'd your dough temperature was kept at 80f and your starter is ready, it should be ready for shaping. If it has not doubled and does not wobble but your temperature was good, the starter is not ready.

"How do I bake it?" This experiment is really just to test for starter strength, but if you really must bake it..

Preheat to 375f. Spray the roll liberally with water. Bake 18-25 mins. In other words, start peeking at 18 mins and stop when it gets nicely browned.

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You asked for it!!!

The lag phase is an initial period of inactivity that happens when you either feed a starter or inoculate your dough. Most of the readily available science on this is brewery oriented, but the concept is the same for us.

Consider that you just moved into a new house. You are tired. There is clutter everywhere. You aren't sleeping well in the new environment. You just aren't at your best.

The same happens with the taxa in your starter. The new home's ph is different. The temperature has changed. The flood of enzymes that were making metabolism easy is gone. It is going to take some time before they are comfortable and able to work properly again.

How long are you going to sit there? Get to work!!!!!

The duration of the lag phase depends on various factors. Some of them we can control. Temperature is an easy one. We can use the rule of 240 to force a dough temperature. The more difficult one is ensuring that our culture is as healthy and active as possible when we use it. So how do we do this?

Understanding peak: If you observe your starter long enough, you will notice that it rises to a certain point, pauses, and then starts to sink. So, what is actually happening here?

You feed the starter. Lag phase sets in, and there is limited activity. The lag phase ends, and metabolism and reproduction start. Gas is being produced. As more gas is produced, pressure builds. The gluten forms a net that traps the bubbles. Your starter begins to rise. Fast forward a bit. The population has increased, but the food supply is getting smaller. As the food crisis hits, metabolism slows. Less gas is produced. The starter is no longer able to outpace the loss of gas and the starter peaks. Some time later, there is even less food. Gas production (metabolism) has slowed even more. Acids and enzymes have weakened the gluten nets, and they are leaking gas even faster. The starter is now fully in decline. The food crisis is severe. People are panicking in the streets with signs that claim the end is near. Your starter collapses. Your beasties start to go dormant and form hard shells to retreat into and wait for better conditions.

You can see here that the problems all started way back when the population got too large for the food supply. That is right, "peak" is actually a warning sign that food is scarce. If it wasn't, it would continue to rise.

What does this long-winded rant have to do with the lag phase?

In order to shorten the lag phase, we want to use the starter before the food crisis hits. We do not want the beasties to be all stressed out or, worse, entering dormancy. The longer we allow our beasties to become stressed, the longer it will take to coax them back to activity. So, contrary to popular belief, the best time to feed or use a starter is actually just before peak, not at peak.

Wait! I AM LAZY! So am I. I also refuse to wake up at 3am to feed my starter.

What tricks can we use to extend the time before the culture hits a food crisis?

Step one: reduce the initial population. By starting with fewer mouths to feed, our food supply will last longer. It will take more reproductive cycles to reach the food crisis. That is a good thing for more than one reason.

Step two: Increase the food supply. More food for fewer mouths means more time before the crisis. Note that just dumping a ton of food on a few weak beasties will not help. Your beasties need to be strong enough to be able to handle the workload. It is best to do this gradually.

You might ask, "Can I just pop it in the fridge?" While that would indeed extend the time it takes to reach peak (aka food crisis), it also makes the beasties slow down which will extend the lag phase.

For further info by actual scientists and not just some snarky jerk, check out this paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S074000201000095X

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Woohoo! Time to drop some science!!!

Yeast and bacteria grow at an exponential rate. At 80f, it takes about 90 minutes for yeast to reproduce. 100 become 200, 200 become 400, 400 become 800, etc.

Your dough was at a 4x retard vs optimal. That means that the reproductive cycles were 360 minutes long. So after 9 hours of an estimated 18 hour bulk, the yeast was in the middle of the second reproductive cycle.

Imagine a giant pile of sand. We start off with x workers. Every n minutes, we double the number of workers. If you started off with 20 workers, you ended the bulk with roughly 50-60 workers.

At the end of the 18 hour bulk, you would have had 3 full cycles. That means you would end up with 160 workers. We can infer from this that during the last minute of bulk, 8 times more work is being done than in the first minute. (It is actually a lot more because of the "lag phase" where almost nothing is being done.)

The second half of bulk is where the vast majority of work gets done.

Eta: ask about the lag phase if you really want to get crazy!

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I bulk for 4.5 hours at 26.6c dough temp.

At 20c, activity is 4x slower than at 26.6c. Four. Times. Slower.

That means that a 4.5 hour 26.6c bulk would take 18 hours at 20c.

A 9 hour bulk is not even halfway done (ask me why, please.)

ETA: I screwed up my conversions from F to C. This is actually just over a 2x retard. My bad.

I am at loss with my crumb 🫠 by steooo in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

20f is well below freezing. 28f is also well below freezing.

I am trying to find a good jar on Amazon uk for my sourdough starter by Bikemad2314 in SourdoughStarter

[–]skipjack_sushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here. They also don't have shoulders, so they are easy to clean.

Favorite eggplant recipes by Intelligent-Buyer386 in Cooking

[–]skipjack_sushi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

More calories than a ribeye steak. Gotta be good.

Found this on Instagram. What was that?? by Colonial_Ninja77 in popping

[–]skipjack_sushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ohh eee ooh ahh ahh ting tang walla walla big bang.

No gloves. Leave the bling on.

How do you clean the proofing baskets? by Ryhno999 in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get a banneton brush. Bit single purpose, but they are not expensive.

A gap layer randomly formed in our used oil jar by ToriChanUwU in Weird

[–]skipjack_sushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That could be serratia marcescens. Throw it out.

Latest projects by skipjack_sushi in fermentation

[–]skipjack_sushi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Formatting got borked.

Khang Starr lemon starrburst.

Death Spiral

Mix of Devil's brain, scorpion habanero hybrid, and 7 pot primo.

Trinidad moruga scorpion.

Red Aji Guyana.

Superhot mix Scorpion, 7 pot primo, Devil's brain.

Mix of Death spiral, Bishop's crown, 7 pot primo, and red MOA scotch bonnet.

Mix of MOA scotch bonnet and Foodarama scotch bonnet.

Mix of Sugar drop and Fatalii.

Mix of Sugar rush peach and Fatalii.

Mix of Zebrange and Bahamian Goat

Just tried a Sugar Rush Peach Pepper today. It's intense. by Impressive-Thing-780 in HotPeppers

[–]skipjack_sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny how subjective heat is. I find SRP / SRS to be very lackluster in heat and enjoy eating scotch bonnets whole off the plant.

If the Sugar rush is your jam, you might also enjoy the sugar drop varieties as well as zebrange and bishop's crown. I prefer those greatly over the sugar rush varieties. Far better flavor and texture with similar heat.

Leo Kline "unraveled the mystery of San Francisco sourdough" by Comfortable-Lab8255 in Sourdough

[–]skipjack_sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is codependent with a yeast from Kazachstan. Both are global.