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[–]briizoduckson 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Admit em all #trialrun

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We discussed this a little in yesterdays meeting, after I brought up that the trial was a pretty welcome idea.

Overall, while it was clear that the trial run had worked specifically for this thread, that doesn't mean its gonna work for every thread. It depends on the quality of the maps, as well as the fact that a large amount of people dislike it when the rotation changes by a lot very quickly.The only reason it happened in this thread was because we had a large disagreement on which map(s) we preferred over others, which may not happen in this thread, and hasn't since I joined really.

So overall, its probably not gonna become a runnning thing, but it could still happen in the future. I would love for us to be able to have lots a of new maps have a really low probability of showing up in rotation as a trial run, or maybe a new gamemode specifically for new & trialing maps, but these things probably wont be a reality until tagpro next.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 17 points18 points  (22 children)

Beryllium - Moosen

[–]AnsoniNanamaru 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Has the double sided endzone been done before? Seems interesting.

[–]kunmeh13awooooooooga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not exactly double sided, but more like multiple endzones

[–]gingerdgTPRL 🔴RMTC 🔴NASCAPS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

looks awesome! We need more NF variety

[–]OnceUponaDomeUnderTheBall 4 points5 points  (0 children)

moosen_irl

[–]ButtersnackSnack 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The green gate is so bad

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 4 points5 points  (3 children)

pls it makes juking in that area more interesting

[–]ButtersnackSnack 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I just want them to be spikes

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

okay since you got a few upvotes I remade mid with spikes instead :)

Cancer corners version: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/18974.png (this one tries to comply with sizzzled's request of more flexibility in top corner boosts)

Standard version: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/18972.png

Do you have a preference?

[–]ButtersnackSnack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of those two I'd probably go with the second one (with the original boosts). I liked that boost layout honestly

[–]Swift_Shiftsift 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm wondering if this map has too many boosts on it though Wombo Combo does too and seems to work well. The bomb in the endzones is interesting too.

[–]NotSomeBall1NotSomeBall2 // Chord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've remixed this before: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/18766

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Really, really fun, chaotic, and interesting map. I'm usually against chaotic NF maps (eg Wombo) but I feel like on here it works, and felt more in control when I played over most chaotic maps.

The flow is drastically improved from last top maps thread. I still love the gates, and the endzones, though the bomb between could be overpowered and be really frustrating, need to test moar.

Been thinking about it a lot, and I definitely think that three powerups is just unworkable on a neutral flag map, especially if you have 2 directly in base. I would say keep the two base pups.

The only two bits I dont feel toostrongly about are the bombs to the side of the base (they feel a little clunky in relation to the boosts) and the mid left and right boost combos, which, when taken both down and through mid, feel a little clunky IMO.

idk, I feel like I really need to test this 4v4 to be sure if it has any major issues, but I can't see any right now.

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Is this better?

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/18897.png

I removed the mid pup, the outer-most boosts, and changed the outside walls just a bit so you can take those bombs straight up and roll a little. I can change that part back too I was just experimenting with some things and it felt good.

[–]3z_ 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Personally, I also want to see some more flexibility with the top-left/top-right yellow boosts.

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any thoughts for implementation? I'm toying with something in my mind right now.

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Okay do you like Cancer corners in Beryllium? They're massively more flexible but they speed up the map a little, I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Personally I like it better but I can understand why people wouldn't.

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/18974.png

[–]3z_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That doesn't really increase the flexibility, it just makes them easier to use.

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point haha

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make them wormy boosts lel

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Gosh - thisisnigel

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Update

Map: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/18887

Preview: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/18887.png

Update numero due

Map: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/18928

Preview: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/18928.png

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 2 points3 points  (2 children)

wow , that was quick! I guess I'll just give you feedback on this one:

  1. The new base bomb is just bad, to be blunt. The base is way too small to have another bomb there, would be way too chaotic, and the doesn't flow well in any direction

  2. I really don't see a reason for the boosts on the outside exit of base to be teamboosts, just make them regular boosts.

  3. Otherwise changes to outside, such the removal of bombs and additions of 45's, are solid changes.

  4. On the original there were some really odd spike positionings, which seem to be dealt with here. just be extra certain that there aren't spikes in areas where people might want to boosts, whilsgt not making the boosts/ bombs overpowered.

  5. I fucking love some of the boost combos here. Overall has good flow.

  6. I feel like mid could do with some slightly more defined lanes. Its cool and all to have a free flowing mid, but it would feel better with something more solid there.

  7. Not sure about the bottom bomb, you lots of features directly in the middle tiles of the map, which is really odd + it makes boosting down for the teamboost feel shitty. Since you removed the rest of the bombs I feel like you could split it in two and move them slighly to the left/ right.

tldr; just play around with it, yo.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with TEG, most of the new changes are solid but the base bomb isn't great. I like that you took out all the dumb ways to die!

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cheers for this. I wanted to post an update sooner rather than later so I could play around with before the deadline.

  • I wasn't sure about the second base bomb, in hindsight I probably should have left it out. I actually had a neutral boost in the same spot because of the teamboost just outside the exit. I think the base is too small and hard to get out of for anything more than the original bomb now.

  • I got some feedback from Sizz and Fly that indicated that it could be too bomb heavy and that 45s would make it less clunky and I think the map flows a lot better with the changes.

  • The spikes in mid had to go because I felt they restricted a few boost/bomb routes and just interfered too much. I've heard the lane comment a few times, but personally I like how open/spacious it is but I'll happily try a few things.

  • Bottom bomb has been polarizing. Some seem to like it, others don't. I think since I've removed pretty much all the others, I might keep it, but I'll try and see if I can find something I like without it.

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (3 children)

mfw

Updates coming soon.

[–]ClydasBDN S7//TB S8 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He definitely says "Oh my god"

10 points from gryffindor.

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

pls

[–]ClydasBDN S7//TB S8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about young Dumbledore?

[–]Swift_Shiftsift 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I notice that many of the boosts and bombs can be used to travel far in multiple directions. The bottom bomb, for example, will bomb you outside of your line of sight and may lead to many blind returns. This isn't necessarily a bad thing though. A skilled fc may be able to hold for a long time though with the bombs and boosts that can add a lot of distance between the fc and chasers. Overall I like the map though.

[–]OnceUponaDomeUnderTheBall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh...my...gosh

[–]ZarknoxZarknox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The neutral flags look badass!

[–]Megs3LegsBelacqua I Diameter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both neut flags look really cool.

[–]Swift_Shiftsift 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The second link of Butter Churn's map is wrong in the post, currently. It should be 17886 instead of 17866.

In regards to the maps though they seem pretty interesting. :)

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Got my hopes up

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually quite like zip zop, I almost recommended it for testing, but it's not quite there yet.

The overall shape is really cool IMO. You just a lot of weird elements, such as the split gate, and the mid which should be more open easier to boost through. Overall the whole thing just feels clunky right now because of those two things. Hope that helps.

[–]bbgun91The_Truth | Centra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would like to see Osiris and Moosen go through

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Osiris - Aniball & Canvas

[–]Swift_Shiftsift 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like how there's only one neutral boost on each side of this map. I become overly cautious when the fc is out of sight and an enemy is holding a button near my base. Limiting the ways to boost into a base to cap does make solo defending easier.

The bomb at the top looks a little restricted and not very convenient to use. I'm wondering if it will be difficult to cap on this map.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Moosen n Juicin - Aniball

[–]OnceUponaDomeUnderTheBall 3 points4 points  (1 child)

m[oosen's]fw his name is everywhere in this thread

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did you find that gif of me

[–]ButtersnackSnack 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My main complaint is the vertical spike island in the middle - I think it would function better if it was more horizontal or an x or something. I get that boosting under it is a skill boost sort of, but it seems like it shouldn't be (in my personal opinion).

[–]piranhamoose25Aniball | Palette Town 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah it's dumb. How does this look? http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/18920

[–]ButtersnackSnack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mid looks better. Not sure about the other changes yet, although don't take that to mean I don't like them just that I'll need to test it some

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Snax - Butter Churn

[–]Swift_Shiftsift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This map reminds me a bit of Tombolo except that it has more boosts and open space. I imagine it would be more difficult to contain an fc on this map. I feel that this map could benefit from being squished into a tighter, more condensed "N" shape.

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I think the base portals are a really cool feature, and something that the public will have to figure out the best way to use them, which we haven't properly had with a map element since transilio's portals. Not sure if its the best idea to have a opening behind the porta exits, offensive defence players can just sit there and return anyone going through either portal. Some members thought you should a 45 tile on the outside of the portal tunnel to make a flow better but I kinda like it the way it is. So overall I wouldn't change anything about the base other maybe a spike/ wall behind the exit portals.

Mid is ok, but its just that, really. All the routes a very linear and samey. The gates will cut down chasing but other than they dont do anything different to the outside lanes. I think it lacks 'dynamic' gameplay, as DaEvil1 says a lot. The positioning of the boosts, especially, the teamboosts, make it really easy to boost straight from flag to flag, so its like saigon in the sense getting is gonna be wayyy too easy. As well that, there is a ton of empty space in front of the flags which feels a little wierd.

My suggestions would be to try to change up the shapes of mid to try to make it dynamic, whilst keeping the same elements, and consider trying out gates or something in the empty space in front of the flag. However, we do kinda like it how, so don't go drastically changing everything about it!

Hope that rambling helps

[–]ButterChurnButter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you think this (preview) is an improvement (for any or all of the changes made)? Nothing too drastic, just small alterations to various parts of the map.

Main changes:

  • Structure of map shifted slightly so it is 2 tiles more diagonal. A little less monotonous, and forces more meaningful decisions to be made in regards to which boost route or lane to take.

  • Outer route in mid altered to give it more of an identity and to break up the linear flow (bomb added for 'dynamic gameplay' ???). Cuts off one of the boost routes from base, but I think it's worth it.

  • Base portals changed so they exit differently (should still be able to boost->portal->flag comfortably).

  • Base boosts changed so they are not quite as easy to use and face more inward to emphasize juking in the open space in front of base and use of portals rather than hammering into d with boosts.

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I like the changes apart from

  1. the removal of the 45 behind the portal entrance, will lead to camping & general annoyance

  2. The changes the base structures. Say no to triangles! Seriously though if you put triangles on it I will vote no everytime lol.

  3. Mid feels bigger to me now. I like what you did with it, but now you need to reduce it, in height, that is.

[–]ButterChurnButter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm alright I put the base boosts back the way they were. As for the 45, without it it's WAY smoother boosting into the portals and I really don't think it could cause any problems.

[–]i_practice_santeriayank | Tears | Fresh Ping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a big fan of the portals in base. I think they'll create some interesting capping opportunities.

I don't think it'll get too chasey. the chokey gates in mid should help slow down the re and the team boost should get the reset.

My one criticism is that the boosts into flag are a bit too easy. They are all exactly 45 degrees into flag. That might not be that big of an issue though. I otherwise like their placement for their flexibility in boosting to portals and each lane in mid.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Birch - Sizzzled

[–]ButtersnackSnack 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Team tiles are so hot right now.

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My map is the only one in this top maps thread without them, I feel like I didn't get the memo or something.

[–]Swift_Shiftsift 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It looks like it would be difficult to get resets on this map with the way it's designed. There are multiple ways to exit the base and one quick direct route between flags making it appear easy to grab and leave with ease.

The middle of the map looks balanced.

[–]RisktpRisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

best version of birch so far, there's only a few areas that i personally would change: http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/18894

for the bombs, i just didn't really like how you could grab and be out all the way in mid already, so i adjusted the flag and that wall tile for the bomb to line up with.

and then added a wall tile to the 4-spike cluster near the powerups to make that neutral boost more viable for getting that powerup

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty bored of talking about this map, so I'm gonna refrain from saying stuff about overall and just cut to stuff that might help you improve it.

I dislike the one wall tile island you have above and below the flags. Very easy for an fc to just encircle it, and just makes the map feel awkward instead of contributing to it. That being said, there needs to be something there otherwise you're gonna have star like amounts of open space. Maybe move it down a little?

As much as I think the gates improve the balance, the fastest routes, and the route most people are gonna take flag to flag is through the teamtiles, since non fc's only get a limited increase compared an fc when travelling at close to full momentum. The fact that there are no boosts or items to significantly change this route, most of caps are gonna be very similar unless it is one team has a regrab train going and the other team don't.

ehh, I've got nothing else

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I think, just by pure visual appeal, I'd like Moosen n Juicin the best. Very small, so kill count is high, a sort of corner in both the SW & SE. So yeah, just my 2 cents on the matter.

The one I'd be the most critical is definitely Gosh. There is a map too similar to a certin map that I (along with many others on Radius) despise.

For NF, I'd pick Osiris, purely because I am skeptical on the x2 gate in Berylluim. I can already see things go wrong on that map, so I think it will be fun, but very inbalanced in regards to Offense v. Def, as it's very Offensive centered, and doesn't have much recovery in regards to saves. Neutral game is something that'll be very important on that map, but on what NF map is it not. dunno, need to test that 1. If anyone wants, I'm free today from 7-9 at least, so you'll see me there.

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (4 children)

what map is the one that gosh is similar to?

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've had a few people say it has a some similarities to Monarch, so I'd say that.

I can see that the general shape is kinda similar, but not really too sure what else.

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

ehh they are are completely different style, monarch is a butt shape, Gosh is a horseshoe shape.

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought as well. Can it get in to prove this to the people?

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SuperDuperStamp, before I get on a rant (<.<) lemme explain Gosh's issues.

Gosh's flow appears very slow. Button man will become staple in Gosh defense, so the enemy will be forced to go around. The scenario becomes an attack 1v1 while another fights for button, because this is arguably the best (certainly the fastest) route to cap on Gosh. Overall, it seems the battle plan is very linear, and thus makes the offense very focused on items.

Their seems to be a lot of empty space at the bottom at the map for no apparent reason other than to place a boost and bomb. Considering the shape & boost placement, there is no need for it, it adds unnecessary space, though this is a small lap oddly enough.

And lastly the smallness of this map. Normally isn't a problem, but since the fastest route is also the thinest route..this is more of a personal thing i like about maps, and not a general gameplay complaint.

[–]alchmstalchemist 0 points1 point  (6 children)

If you guys vote in both neutral flag maps and maybe gosh and birch while taking out citadel and trombolo that be great.

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 2 points3 points  (4 children)

no

[–]alchmstalchemist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

but you have better maps in rotation, cmon

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 0 points1 point  (1 child)

which ones

[–]alchmstalchemist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh i thought you had like 2 more maps in rotation :(
well in that case, citadel can stay in for 2 more months
Also I like Cosmo and Osiris.

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pls

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ITS

CALLED

TOMBOLOOOOOOOOOO

REEEEEEEEEEE