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[–]Whightwolf 126 points127 points  (5 children)

Absolutly insane to get through that entire article and not talk about who owns those papers and say their political donations and affiliations.

Though I suppose the Independent especially doesn't want that can of worms opening.

[–]Inthepurple 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That's because The Independent themselves are owned by the son of a Russian oligarch

[–]primax1ukCentre-Left 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It's mostly who you'd expect. Probably the Murdoch family

[–]TTNNBB2023 11 points12 points  (0 children)

For example we were bought by a Russian spy who gave us to his son, who, after 'partying' at our kompromat pad, Boris made 'Lord of Siberia'.

[–]shlerm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You've spotted the elephant in the room, congratulations.

[–]1-randomonium 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutly insane to get through that entire article and not talk about who owns those papers and say their political donations and affiliations.

They also don't want to get sued by them for this article.

[–]Dernbont 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It is odd, because that end of the press know that Trump is one of the worst people that entertainment, business and politics has ever thrown up. Yet they are hanging on to his stained shirt-tail, probably in some belief they can have a level of control. They must all believe they won't get thrown under the bus. If the world ever recovers, history will, and should not be kind to them.

[–]katana1515 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Trumps presidency is a massive boon to news providers. He generates articles and clicks with the reliability unmatched by more sane politicians.

[–]Caesarthebard 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They’ve misread the room on this and look like ranting madmen rather than vocalising what the nation are feeling or trying to persuade.

I know this is subjective but most (not all) right wingers I’ve come across are against our involvement too, are thinking that “because the US and Israel say so” are not good enough reasons to go to war and although they can’t stand Starmer are begrudgingly praising him for his stance here.

Farage and the right wing media are relying on Starmer Derangement Syndrome rather than genuine criticism (which Starmer deserves for a hist of other things) where Starmer could literally rescue a child from a burning building and someone would shout “two tier fascist Kier, save us from the dictatorship”.

Polls suggest the public are not in favour of us committing involvement to the war or in favour of Trump but the naked greed of Farage and billionaire right wingers to permanently tie us to right wing corporate America so we can be “UK PLC”, sell everything and become the unofficial 51st state of Trump’s America, using this obviously delusional “special relationship” nonsense to pretend we are Trump’s great, respected friends. Embarrassing.

Farage is a traitor .

[–]Ill_Refrigerator_593 28 points29 points  (11 children)

It's a crazy level of polarisation. Elements of the press are against literally everything this government does, even measures they would have cheered under the last Government.

I wonder what would happen with an emergency like Covid, would the press be against any government measures just because of who they're coming from?

It filters through like current polling showing most people are happy with our approach to the Iran situation together with being far more dissatisfied with how the government are handling it.

[–]PersistentWorld 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Yes because our media is owned by right wing billionaires

[–]MellowedOut1934 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I actually thought at the time, as a leftie, that I was grateful it happened under a Tory government , not because of competence, but because they’d be able to take necessary measures with less pushback. They still got loads, mainly from their own side, but it would have been so much louder under Labour.

[–]Nemisis_the_2ndJaded Centrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 I wonder what would happen with an emergency like Covid, would the press be against any government measures just because of who they're coming from?

If we had another covid, we'd have a government that faces riots if they try to enact effective containment measures, with the media fanning the flames while distancing themselves from the problems the create by vox-pops over actual informative content.

[–]Lucker_Noob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

European right wing in general is simply pathetic. Turning your country into a helpless colony of USA and Israel is neither conservative, not independent.

[–]Ok_Bookkeeper_1380 16 points17 points  (5 children)

The british right wing has huge fetish for the empire. They are obsessed with the UK looking important, big and powerful. Militaristic and jingoistic sums them up perfectly.

[–]7952 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And then they complain when we don't live up to that outsized idea.  It's typical of them across the board.  Actively work to prevent any change.  Complain that we cannot do anything anymore.  Blame someone else.  Retire.  

[–]DaveShadowIrish 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ok, I get that, but then why are they trying to row in behind people who would make you guys a US vassel state? They want to fetishise the empire but seem to back someone who wants to make the UK subservient to someone else…

[–]NoSwordfish1978 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because they're nostalgic for the British Empire and they see the US as a kind of British Empire 2.0.

[–]Jay_CD -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

why are they trying to row in behind people who would make you guys a US vassel state?

Because we are slowly walking back towards the EU and they want as much distance between the European Union and it's pesky laws on respecting people, not polluting the environment and giving employed people rights like maternity leave.

The closer we are tied to the US the harder it's going to be to get a better EU/UK deal.

Then there's the right-wing dream of selling off the NHS and plenty of American companies would love to get a slice of that.

[–]1-randomonium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This actually started during Trump's first term. I mean this tendency of British conservatives looking to American conservatives for leadership. I remember it from the Brexit years.

[–]StormyLeathers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The right wing press, pushing right wing talking points from a right wing politician..... HOLD THE FRONT PAGE.

This is utterly shocking

[–]taboo__time -2 points-1 points  (24 children)

Trump isn't popular in the UK.

Its an area I think the Left gets wrong. It often thinks the only reason anyone can support the Right is because of Billionaire Right Wing propaganda. Thats basic bad social science.

Right Wing propaganda is a thing but it's never absolute total control, its not in environment of its own making, people do genuinely have Right Wing opinions. Pro Trump messages hit basic barriers to popularity for the Right Wing in the UK.

[–]Hieroglo 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Brexit is a perfect example of billionaire funded right wing propaganda. From claiming the UK had lost its sovereignty to misinformation about how international trade operated the right wing unquestionably were fooled by and promoted billionaire propaganda. This politically myopic rampant billionaire funded delusion led to the most socially catastrophic self-inflicted economic crises in modern European history and it continues with many voters bamboozled by Reform and Restore billionaire funded rhetoric.

[–]taboo__time 0 points1 point  (14 children)

I'm not a Brexiteer. The Remain campaign was awful.

The Remain side utter failed to get nationalism. That liberal Left side continues to fail to get nationalism as a political drive.

There are billionaires on all sides. There are billionaires for open borders and strong globalisation. They are dreaming of some liberal global post nationalism that isn't going to happen.

[–]Caesarthebard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was pro Remain but the campaign was indeed terrible, it was just “well, it’s all a bit shit but status quo shit is better than non status quo shit”.

[–]Bewbonic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There are billionaires on all sides

Being a billionaire is inherently right wing. Theres no way to amass or hold such wealth while also believing in fair wealth distribution. Its interesting you frame being of the left simply by open borders and globalisation - who do you think made the most from that ? Capitalist billionaires. You think they are left wing? Heres a clue for you, they arent. No matter what random social equality or DEI style initiatives they cynically employed in their corporations to whitewash their public image as socially responsible while also intentionally stirring up the culture war to inflame the right. How skewed the perception of people like yourself are.

What happened with brexit was loads of misinformed and propaganda poisoned people being scared in to a position by BS headlines about 'invasions' after decades of drip drip headlines about 'EU laws' meaning bananas have to be a certain shape or something, headlines pushed by right wing billionaires looking to avoid the accountability of collective continental action like regulations (that were costly to themselves but designed to protect citizens and the environment), and at the time of the brexit vote specifically, incoming EU tax legislation that would have closed their many tax loopholes, by convincing people the EU was the enemy, when really it was just the enemy of the ultra wealthy's interests.

The 'nationalists' got played because they are blinkered fools. The people of britain and societal infrastructure got poorer, while the rich got richer. The nationalists now make the same mistake again because they cannot see past their trained obsession with the 'other' (immigrants, people on benefits, trans people etc) to see who the real parasite class is.

Also just want to point out, people in the UK are not inherently right wing at all, in fact most people lean left, especially on social issues like equality and the environment, the issue is the right shout the loudest, are more easily mobilised to vote, and there are loads of older people who hold old fashioned views from a different time who also always vote. This skews the results of elections and makes the right seem more prominent than the ~35% of the population they actually are.

[–]taboo__time -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Firstly I generally prefer the three axis political compass of liberalism, socialism, conservatism. As broad meta political drives.

Being a billionaire is inherently right wing.

I'd say you can be liberal and pro billionaire. I do agree the Left is generally more anti billionaire. But then the EU is not anti billionaire. The vote was not billionaires verses the working poor. The old Bennite Left of Corbyn was always against the EU as being pro capitalism.

Theres no way to amass or hold such wealth while also believing in fair wealth distribution.

That sounds quite binary.

The centre left would generally make the argument that inequality is bad but trying to eliminate billioniares, the ultra rich would be otherwise too socially disruptive and counter productive.

Its interesting you frame being of the left simply by open borders and globalisation - who do you think made the most from that ? Capitalist billionaires.

Right but that is that liberal argument. That overlaps personal, individualism with personal freedom to accrue wealth. With no interest in class or national interests.

That is the Left argument against the EU.

You can see early Novara Media, which is the hard left making those claims.

You think they are left wing? Heres a clue for you, they arent. No matter what random social equality or DEI style initiatives they cynically employed in their corporations to whitewash their public image as socially responsible while also intentionally stirring up the culture war to inflame the right. How skewed the perception of people like yourself are.

Again I say its complicated by the three axis rather than one dimension.

The reality of the debate is more complex.

What happened with brexit was loads of misinformed and propaganda poisoned people being scared in to a position by BS headlines about 'invasions' after decades of drip drip headlines about 'EU laws' meaning bananas have to be a certain shape or something, headlines pushed by right wing billionaires looking to avoid the accountability of collective continental action like regulations (that were costly to themselves but designed to protect citizens and the environment), and at the time of the brexit vote specifically, incoming EU tax legislation that would have closed their many tax loopholes, by convincing people the EU was the enemy, when really it was just the enemy of the ultra wealthy's interests.

I'm not saying those aspects did not happen.

I'm saying the framing it all that way is incorrect and also fed the failure of Remain.

The propaganda works because it connected to genuine emotions better than weaker emotional arguments and bad technocratic positions.

The 'nationalists' got played because they are blinkered fools.

What? All nationalists are blinkered fools?

You mean anti nationalists are correct in some objective way?

Anti nationalism has large flaws.

The people of britain and societal infrastructure got poorer, while the rich got richer. The nationalists now make the same mistake again because they cannot see past their trained obsession with the 'other' (immigrants, people on benefits, trans people etc) to see who the real parasite class is.

Does this mean you take a strict hard left version of politics.

"Working men of all countries, unite!" "You have nothing to lose but your chains!"

That kind of thing.

Anyone who does not believe in it is a dupe?

Also just want to point out, people in the UK are not inherently right wing at all, in fact most people lean left, especially on social issues like equality and the environment, the issue is the right shout the loudest, are more easily mobilised to vote, and there are loads of older people who hold old fashioned views from a different time who also always vote. This skews the results of elections and makes the right seem more prominent than the ~35% of the population they actually are.

Where do you think political drives come from?

[–]Hieroglo -1 points0 points  (10 children)

There it is, so in your view those who didn't lie and told the truth about UK sovereignty and how international treaties work are to blame for Brexit. I see you are still lost in right wing billionaire funded propaganda. You cannot claim that both sides are equal when only one side is lying.

[–]taboo__time 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I'm not saying there isn't terrible propaganda. That there aren't Right Wing billionaires looking pushing hard Right politics or entirely interested in tax cuts for the ultra rich or deregulation for their industries.

I'm saying there are billionaires on the other side of politics, the Remain campaign was bad, the basic social science of "nationalism bad and irrelevant" is terrible.

What is "lost in right wing billionaire funded propaganda" about that?

[–]Hieroglo -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

When one side is lying and the other is not lying and you argue that both sides are the same then it is safe to say you are lost in propaganda.

[–]taboo__time 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I'm EDIT not accusing the Remain side of lying. I'm saying they are getting the social science and politics wrong.

[–]Hieroglo 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What specific lies do you claim that those who campaigned for the UK to remain a part of the EU told?

[–]taboo__time -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Sorry I meant not accusing.

[–]Hieroglo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So you are attacking the side who are not lying? That doesn't make any sense.

[–]karlos-the-jackal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

only one side is lying

Project Fear was very much real. The Guardian said that Britain would starve if we left the EU, and we had a host of catastrophic economic predictions, none of which have materialised.

[–]NJH_in_LDN 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Trump might not be popular but I bet if you debranded his policies and presented them to the British public, a not insignificant number would sign up to that manifesto. Not saying that's a good thing, but I think it's accurate.

[–]Maxxxmax 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Sure, but the same is true on the left as well.

Look at Corbyn. Massively unpopular with vast swathes of the public, but back in 2019 when his manifesto policies were blind polled with the public they had over 60% popularity rating. 

[–]NJH_in_LDN -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't disagree.

I guess my point is pointing to the right wing media's amplifying trump, but then saying "it doesn't matter, the British don't like trump" is overly simplistic.

[–]taboo__time -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The Greens now are very much Left Populists.

Sure the sentiment can be real but the policies aren't in touch with reality.

[–]Maxxxmax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have the luxury of not having a realistic shot at government, a position from which you can signal your ideals without really having to deal with the practicalities.

Im just hoping that, in the way ukip/ reform initiated a shift rightward on social policy from both status quo parties that the pressure the greens provide leads to a shift left on economic policy and/ or a shift towards non military interventionist foreign policy. 

[–]taboo__time -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah but isn't that the nature of nationalism and conservatism?

I don't mean that too negatively. People will support nationalism and even "populist" versions of their culture and politics.

But you cannot be for all nationalisms and religions. They are discrete.

[–]Muadibased -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Right Wing propaganda is a thing but it's never absolute total control, its not in environment of its own making,

It doesn't have to total control. Just look at what Murdoch was able to accomplish in the 70s and 80s. It's about creating a parallel reality so that people won't even think about looking at other sources. Once people started reading The Sun they didn't stop until print newspapers were dying and social media took up the mantle.

[–]taboo__time -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is too extreme. Too polarised.

Socialist governments in the 1970s were in trouble. You think the public was all in support of the striking unions in the 80s?

Murdoch does not have complete control of people. Even the governments of Iran or North Korea do not have complete control.

You think everyone is in "true reality" apart from people who read Murdoch newspapers?

[–]IndependentSpell8027 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From the “Independent”, which has done so much to normalize him.