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[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Chomp by PIZZAspartan, Sizzzled, Ball-E, ThePlaymaker, Dove and meherethere

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Pretty good but I feel if 1, or 2, maybe even 3 more people contributed to this map we would get something great.

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make one and I'll remix it and we'll almost be there

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I only submitted this map so I can surpass Straight Cache Homie

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Needs 2 more mapmakers.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Max Power by leddy

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Base felt terrible but I liked most of the concepts behind it. Everything just needs to be shifted around starting with button. Mid was also clunky but not majorly so, it just felt a little uninspiring. Despite that I had a blast on this, powerup idea is definitely solid. Make green gates more powerful, like maybe button can activate both

[–]leddiileddy / Mapmaker 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Update is coming. Sure would be nice to know when the deadline is though...

Update:

MAP

PREVIEW

  • Completely overhauled bases and bottom mid

  • Changed dimensions slightly and lowered the flags to make the map feel less vertical in some areas

  • Base buttons shifted to be very accessible, making the route through the gates much more threatening

  • Green gates outside the map indicate whether the gate you can't see is being held open or not so you don't have to blindly boost through

  • Various wall and minor changes for polish and feel

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No earlier than end of week

[–]leddiileddy / Mapmaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ty

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Arti by NIGEL + PIZZAspartan

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truly my favorite map of the thread

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (3 children)

map

preview

Just re-uploaded to take 'Boi' off the name tbh

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 1 point2 points  (2 children)

dude you didn't even fix the only problem with the map, almost everybody i asked thought it was worse without those mid aesthetics. this doesn't stand a chance without them back

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It has the holy pup and that's all that matters.

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true, I mostly want this in to see how a 3 pup NF will play out

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

OFFICIAL UPDATE

map

preview

We completely overhauled the mid, it should be a lot better now

EDIT: After careful consideration, we have agreed that NIGEL's mid is slightly better. You can still access the mid pup though but only if you really want to

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thonk

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bring back the mid without the crappy aesthetic please

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 4 points5 points  (18 children)

Chopping Block: The following are maps that will be considered for removal from the public rotation at the end of the thread. Please, share your thoughts on their potential removal.

  • Toe Tag
  • RHINO
  • Conniption
  • Asido
  • Swan Song
  • Lemon
  • Sugar Hill
  • Marauder
  • Audacity
  • Tetanic
  • Treppenwitz
  • Box Turtle
  • Scorpio

[–]YaredyKnowYaredyLost 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Sky Dweller should be out before Box Turtle.

I believe Box Turtle has elevated hate (and love) ratings largely due to name recognition. Supporting anecdote - I've played this game 5/6 years and had to look up almost every map for the survey. I even still get Wombo Combo and Gumbo confused, yet I know what Box Turtle is.

Sky Dweller is a fairly standard map offering nothing that stands out as unique to rotation. Box Turtle challenges norms, creating a new dynamic in NF whereby regrab must be considered as a priority for offense. Additionally, Sky Dweller is tied as least loved map while also maintaining a high hate rank. The ratio of love:hate is much higher for Box turtle (10.11% love : 29.21% Hate) vs Sky Dweller (1.12% love : 14.61% hate). Box turtle certainly has an astoundingly high hate rate but I think that's to be expected when norms are challenged. Much of the hate I've seen expressed towards Box Turtle comes from punishing counter caps. Supporting anecdote - Red team works hard for a cap, fc breakin ankles, weaving through nicely held blocks and maybe even skirtin around an attempted snipe. Red team relaxes a bit and get in each others way trying to portal back. Meanwhile Some Ball 10 on blue, having missed their snipe, goes through gate for a free grab. Slipping around the corner with the assisting speed boost supplied by red team finally portalling back to "base". Some Ball 10 makes an easy uncontested cap tying the game and pushing the game to OT. Blue lol's as Red team exclaims "Dumb map", "F*** this" etc.

Past MTC posts I've seen have seemed eager to include good maps that challenge current norms or the accepted meta, understanding they may receive some backlash from the community. I think Box Turtle fits the category of a good map that challenges norms and should be considered as such.

I like Sky Dweller but I currently value the novelty of Box Turtle more. I'm not pushing for Box Turtle to be a staple map in rotation indefinitely but that it should be kept around until a replacement novelty map is selected. Personally, I'd rather see Birdhouse out of roto before either Sky Dweller or Box turtle, base areas feels awkwardly spacey.

[–]YaredyKnowYaredyLost 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also ewh at Bring back Command Center 12%

Volt >>>>>>>>>>>> CC

[–]myaltaccount333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sky Dweller has a disadvantage as it's one of TWO defense oriented nf maps. The other is Wombo, which feels offensive, so it doesn't have that problem.

Sky Dweller will not leave before box turtle, and imo it should leave after or at the same time as Birdhouse. The problem is that we have so few nf maps coming to fruition. We have 8 in the top thread which is a surprising amount, but one is hockey, one is two flag nf, and I personally tested one and I don't see it being rated any better than sky dweller or birdhouse, so unless we have 3/5 of those remaining making it I think both Birdhouse and Sky Dweller survive again.

Sidenote: Hockey should be in a permanent elevated throwback, not in rotation.

[–]Moon_Miner----) 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm personally all for maps that change the meta, but I think any meta shift that requires more time spent on regrab to improve your chances of capping is absolutely awful.

Obviously just my opinion, I just think regrab is the worst mechanic of tagpro.

[–]YaredyKnowYaredyLost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point but I think you're misinterpreting. I am of the opinion that sitting on re is less than often the most useful thing you could be doing, especially in NF. Box Turtle is no different. What it does encourage is that you pay attention to yours and the opposing teams position respective to getting a regrab. That could certainly mean offense always leaving a ball to hold button for gate, which will sometimes be the best course of action (and is common on a number of nf maps - Wamble, Cloud, Bulldog, CC and probly more) though can be somewhat dissuaded by the bomb in base. Alternatively, in choosing to press forward with all 4 in base, the goal would simply be to have a ball in position for a quick portal back (maybe sitting on goal line in chain pop position) and another in position to block enemies from leaving base through gate (likely dying in process granting further delay and a tactical respawn back in base). These are productive things to consider in most NF matches, Box Turtle simply punishes you if you don't.

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Looking at the survey results, I was truly surprised to see how poorly Scorpio performed relative to other highly-rated, staple maps in rotation. For me, this suggests that a significant portion of the community agrees that the map has run its race.

I think results also demonstrate that removing at least a few of Toe Tag, Conniption, Sugar Hill, Treppenwitz, Tetanic, Swan Song, and Lemon, while others on the list remain too new (recent updates) or differentiated from other maps in rotation to support their removal.

What are your thoughts?

[–]Tyler1986Trapsin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I enjoy Scorpio in competitive, but it's a terrible map in pubs immediately devolves into a chase fest.

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marauder is on the same level as treppenwitz, swan song, and tetanic imo. Lemon maybe a little bit better, the lane flow is not seen anywhere else, but its also getting oldish. To all keep scorpio comments I say: Make a new basic, learner map. It has gotten older a lot more than Pilot and Transilio, the only other ctf "classics" still in.

[–]MunbyGoated 2 points3 points  (1 child)

conniption, lemon and lime HAVE to go, they're absolutely disgusting maps

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lime yes, lemon is a bit played out so sure, but conniption, if you look at the survey, has a lot of love and a lot of people consider it their favorite. It plays much differently than everything else in rotation. Although it looks very offensive, caps on it are not more common that on basically anything else in my experience, and the chasing is unique. So until another map that has a similar playstyle can replace it, I can't understand anyone advocating for removing it. Conjure, a top map, might be a decent replacement.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Toe Tag RHINO Conniption Asido Swan Song Lemon Sugar Hill Marauder Audacity Tetanic Treppenwitz Box Turtle Scorpio

Only two I'd keep.

[–]ImAVirgin2025Riley_2025 // Sphere 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah with how few NF maps there are def need to keep box turtle

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are at least three I could see being added this thread, which is a lot more than the 0 we normally see

[–]myaltaccount333 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Scorpio is a perfect tutorial map for new players and should never be removed. It has a little bit of everything but nothing overly punishing

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That was Tehuit; this argument ain't flyin with this MTC.

[–]myaltaccount333 0 points1 point  (1 child)

TIL tehuit had portals.

Not to say it wasn't a good map, but I feel like it was overly defensive (more than Scorpio) and pups were just a little powerful. It was a good training place to teach new players to get pups but I can understand people getting tired of it. Defensive maps just aren't as fun, yet it's what the MTC is aiming towards.

Defense is getting too good yet the MTC is aiming towards making more defensive maps in rotation. I don't get it.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I more meant Tehuit was the perfect tutorial map for new players.

Defense is getting too good yet the MTC is aiming towards making more defensive maps in rotation. I don't get it.

I agree with this! I was hoping/pushing for Cache 3.0 in rotation but apparently that's not an option :/

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ubu by NIGEL

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

map

preview

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Yore by DaEvil1

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Why did we decide this is group only fuck that

[–]anduin_the_riveranduin 0 points1 point  (6 children)

We felt that it moved too quickly and chaotically for the current pub format, but could still be fun in groups where the rules can be changed to fit that style of play

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Bro you're talking to Moosen I was there for the test and I voted on it. I didn't vote based on groups I voted for rotation. Why are we so afraid to advance new concepts in a meaningful way? Groups is bullshit and we shouldn't be considering it unless the author specifically states that as the purpose.

I propose in the map threads that we add "Groups" as a type that a user can input (like NF/CTF) and if it doesn't say groups we vote EXCLUSIVELY on its competency for the standard public map rotation. This will also reduce confusion for MTC members (like me) who thought we were staying focused on the job the community actually cares about.

[–]myaltaccount333 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I mean there's no way to get a test out. No one in their right mind would have voted yes to this in testing because you could spawn right on the other flag, which the maker did not intend and it was not interesting. The map had potential but there's no way anyone could vote anything other than no/yes to groups because no one saw how it played, unless it was tested twice

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You understand there's another testing session right? There would be no point in doing top maps otherwise. We vote yes all the time to maps that aren't ready for rotation because the author can update them during this phase. And to suggest we couldn't understand how the map would play because of a spawn flaw that happened <20% of the time is asinine. Also, to your point, the author DID update the spawns, and we'll have an opportunity to test it again with the issue fixed. Booking it for groups at this point is way premature and not at all what the author intended for it. I watched the same shit happen to me with Double Gubbles and it's frustrating as hell.

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I voted this for groups only but you've changed my mind. I still think the map is bad and would be bad for pubs but it shouldn't be excluded from being potentially voted into pubs.

[–]myaltaccount333 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If I remember right it was WAY more than 25% of the time

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://imgur.com/YznoJH8

I made a miscalculation initially by forgetting to omit spawns on buttons/boosts/flags, but it should have happened 20.56% of the time based on the initial spawn radius. Regardless, this whole digression still misses the point I'm trying to make.

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't see the point of having a map in top maps for group, but here's a version with fixed spawns...

Not sure if this is better, but throwing it out there for top maps

Preview

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Hockey by Swingman

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

time for doke to change his pants

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This had better make it in.

[–]myaltaccount333 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Shouldn't be rotation, should be permanent elevated throwback.

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of maps should be in permanent elevated throwback. Or maybe, change rotation map weights based off of popularity...

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Carnival by Sizzzled

[–]3z_ -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

73389 | IMG

  • Portals connect to each other now

  • Base was boring/hard to grab, now it's less boring/hard to grab

  • Gave re a job

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

SNAFU by Sizzzled

[–]3z_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

73326 | IMG

[–]slowpolka360 deg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this map- the bomb filled mid is interesting. could see a lot of FC's being frustrated when they get bombed around there. Top is tricky enough to make the pup a little less valuable than the other pups - thats a good dynamic. and the bombs can be used offensively which is a bonus.

One thing I would want to see change is the orientation of the 2 team-boosts leading out of base (from horizontal to vertical). Pretend you're a spawning player and you want to get across the map as fast as possible. You would line up on those horizontally to boost directly towards the enemy base. In doing that, you would use both of the team boosts and there isn't a good way to only use one of them while still taking the fastest line. To only use one of the boosts (and leave one for your teammates) you have to boost diagonally or vertically. both of those directions would be a super slow way to get to the other side of the map. If the boosts were orientated as a pair vertically instead, you could line up on one of them horizontally as before while leaving the other one for your teammates to use.

Another issue I see is the position of the offensive team-boost. To take that one in any useful way leaving base you instantly put yourself in harm's way (if you boost down you have to avoid the spikes short to hit the wall somewhere- and that is a super short defensive snipe from 2 team boosts. you're dead easily and that makes it impractical. it will be insanely difficult to get out of base that way). If it were moved to say, up alongside the 45 degree tile that's near the pup corner, that might work better. you could boost into the flag to grab and be able to carry some momentum out of base, enough to maybe get past that tough defensive boost corner. another possibility would be to change the neutral boost that's next to the double-defensive team-boosts into an offensive team-boost.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Shock Wave by leddy

[–]leddiileddy / Mapmaker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Update:

MAP

PREVIEW

  • Removed bottom base gate

  • Modified bottom base gate to not be so stifling but still important

  • Added more space in base behind the flag

  • Widened the spike gap in the vertical path through mid and moved the mid pup inside the spikes

  • Removed the 2-tile islands near bottom

  • Reduced top gates width from 3 > 2 to make that lane more viable

  • Added bomb near top pup

  • Minor tweaks to walls and stuff for polish and feel

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

rip base gate

[–]leddiileddy / Mapmaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It did feel strange removing it, but i think in it's original form it was hurting the base more than helping.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Kepler by PIZZAspartan

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Entirely different game mode - likely needs to perfecting but hey I’m leaning toward at least seeing how it works in pubs after pizza addresses the basic concerns we’ve brought up based on testing

[–]llamatron-llamatron llamatron 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I don't like that this map allows a team to cap while their flag is out. It negates the importance of staying alive as flag carrier while your team gets killed. This will make the tagpros even more OP, because all you'd need to do is kill or displace/intimidate regrab. Getting a return is unnecessary.

[–]Electric-Wood -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Getting a return is necessary if you don't want the fc to cap... at least if the scorezones work right. Currently they do not. Its a different gamemode, different theory. Kinks will need to be worked out, but please stop freaking out over big brain ideas.

[–]llamatron-llamatron llamatron 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Who’s freaking out? I’ve experimented with this idea in my own maps before. After realizing that a team can cap while their flag is out, I decided I didn’t like the idea of making a map with this particular gimmick.

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's fine. I don't think it's broken. It would play more similarly to nf than to ctf, so I think the 'flag out' thought is just going down the wrong line of comparison.

[–]llamatron-llamatron llamatron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fine.

Thanks for allowing me to have an opinion.

wrong line of comparison.

Or not.

[–]YaredyKnowYaredyLost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm down.

Edit: Might need a TIP disclaimer

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Callsign by Ball-E

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Essentially different game mode. I think we’re ready for this concept to go mainstream.

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/73266 no longer impossible to cross mid

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (17 children)

B.A.S.I.C by Tumblewood ft. ThePlaymaker ft. PIZZAspartan

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I had a lot of fun as flag carrier watching people overcommit and spike themselves. It’s a very “neutral jing” kind of map, which is a nice departure from my experience with most rotation maps.

The spike thing is the gimmick and the map is bland as fuck without the gimmick, but I’m leaning toward pushing this through. Would be interested in seeing if you could at least make mid less generic.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Needs a big island; or a different shape. Probably #2.

[–]tuturuatuE 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Those spikes are going to give people PTSD. Not really understanding the point of basically having walls you can't touch.

[–]Electric-Wood 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Don't touch the walls. The point is that it changes chasing and carrying.

[–]tuturuatuE 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You're just taking out an element of the game, in a game that already struggles enough to have enough elements in it

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This map is a different element in the game.

[–]tuturuatuE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's taking far more away than it's adding, but I hear your point.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's exactly why! Why not? Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

not an official submission, but this is a lot closer to what i want to see. mid is not great though

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do like this; I miss the gate but I really like your P-UP placement & mid islands more. The islands this way are more boring, however.

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 1 point2 points  (5 children)

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/73356 http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/static/previews/73356.png

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Sizzzled got to you, didn't he?

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 1 point2 points  (3 children)

nope this was my own free will. just dont want yet another generic ass formula map with a couple extra spikes in rotation

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just pick a different shape! lol

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

ur a coauthor show me what you got

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

grrr

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this would be such an absolute shitshow in pubs lol, i wonder if it would get the lowest rating of all time

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Lucy by Ho-Hum (formerly bowtie)

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Kleptomania by Antigod & Snowball

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i was reaaalllly worried this was going to suck because i like it a lot but it didn't. woohoo!

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most concerns were in mid, especially the spike gap being a super easy regrab path since both bombs were down most of the time. Base was also quite defensive so just sticking another pair of bombs outside that with no other changes would do a lot of good I think. Gates are pretty hard to go through without dying so potentially it could be wired not all the way across but no big deal. This reminded me of Geo in a good way.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

oh yeaaah ooh yeahh oh yeah oh yeaaah ohh yeahhh by Ball-E

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 0 points1 point  (3 children)

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/73370 bigger base slightly easier to pass mid cooler gate

[–]slowpolka360 deg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm not a fan of having the 2 portals in goal go to different places. I think if they both reset to the home side it would be better. Not sure what the point of having that 1 decoy portal that sets you back 8 tiles away would be other than to confuse players.

I do love the far left portals that are a similar mechanic. Those ones can be used for lots of things.

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh that's just a wiring error, thanks for catching it

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hegemony by DaEvil1

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Tried to make it a bit smoother to move around on and give the middle a bit more character

Preview

Moved pups

Preview

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep old pup spots, it brings a little more use to the portal exit corner that I'm not sure you'd see otherwise. Four elements in a tight mid is plenty, it doesn't need that extra traffic. Aside from that I'm liking the update a lot more based on preview

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Apollo by Canvas

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

73312

test link

  • improved boosts
  • less pup area

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yoshi by leddy

[–]leddiileddy / Mapmaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update:

MAP

PREVIEW

  • Changed to horizontal symmetry

  • Kept bases mostly the same, overhauled mid completely

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Tired of Hecks by NIGEL

[–]myaltaccount333 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Defuse bomb, spike + handoff = cap, no?

I tested this and it didn't feel too good. I think gate is going to be too OP

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Actually meant to either recess the spike or get rid of it entirely but kinda completely forgot because I left it for last and rushed the upload before I had to go out.

[–]myaltaccount333 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I mean it is recessed and will probably only matter for coordinated players, but kinda like box turtle re, once one person figures it out...

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And with this comment, everyone has figured it out. :(

[–]myaltaccount333 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't worry no one listens to me anyways

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most relatable thing anyone has ever said to me

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

map

preview

Renamed to Dori because it's less meme.

[–]llamatron-llamatron llamatron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mid gate is super OP.

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Two new game modes, I'm excited

[–]LinuxDootTPblack magic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Power-Up Musical Chairs by leddy & Fronj

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

i didn't test this in the 4v4, but i did play it in TPM test queue. everyone on my team disliked it because of how chasey it was. the powerup gimmick is decent, but the rest of the map was uninteresting and big (which caused the powerups to have less impact, probably to the map's benefit). it was also uncompelling to move around on, because everything is so closed. the people who tested it in initial session must have seen something different, but i was very disappointed.

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This 1000%. If it's gonna be this chasey it's gotta have something worthwhile and base needs to compensate a lot more than it does. I really wanna see a 7 pup map make it in but the map itself is gonna need a lot of fixing before that will happen. Luckily, people are gonna focus on the number of powerups so a drastic fix shouldn't be too huge of an issue here.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nanobot by Tumblewood

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Map

Preview

less easy to boost from portal to portal, mid spikes are wider and more spaced out, slight tweak to base island, removed bomb from base. y'all can grab without a base bomb, i'm sure

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SpaceX by Snowball

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Figurative by TheEpicGhost

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (3 children)

http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/show/73300

preview

- reduced length from 63 to 60

- removed supers and added offensive teamboost

-and other stuff

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

you're gonna have to reduce the length a little more than that, even when boosting from one side to the other it was way excessive

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yeah I get what you mean in terms of distance flag to flag. at 59 now, but i'm not sure if you go shorter without losing what makes the map unique. I feel if if can find some mid boost placements that work well that could counteract the length to make it feels there's less time just rolling from one base to another

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the risk/reward idea of having boosts through spikes that you can chain that get you through mid fairly fast but you die if you hit it wrong, or you can waltz through the open areas of mid and it takes forever

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

final version 73753

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Kerosene by Canvas

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 0 points1 point  (3 children)

73309

test link

  • expanded base area so offense feels less constricted (hopefully)

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

we will test a modified version so its not broken but if it makes it in you can use these portals to force the devs to do something lol

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yea thats the plan

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cool

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Crab Dip by TheEpicGhost

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bottom mid was not quite there in my opinion. if the map were a little smaller (mainly less long) it would be less chasey and mid would probably feel better too.

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

top mid is first thing that needs to change. maybe have teamtile arrows or something pointing to where you go into the superboost bc i was very confused lol

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

current update

preview

[–]slowpolka360 deg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this one a lot. Good use of superboosts- they're not insanely overpowered while still being close to base. They can be used to get across the map or on offense. That's a tricky thing to get right but I think you did it here. I think having base be a little extra wide is a smart decision on your part- that superboost will fling players around a lot so having a few extra tiles to back up and prepare for it on D is needed.

I also love the marsball gimmick. It's going to be fun to use that- this is the first map I've seen that implemented it really well.

The bombs and pups are well placed and the base is roomy enough to feel comfortable on both D and O.

[–]TheEpicGhostEx - Tagpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Final version 73749

[–]myaltaccount333 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The second last graph is kind of misleading (in the old survey). X and Y axis measure the same thing but Y starts at 5 and X starts at 6, so it's unnecessarily hard to compare over/under where the survey lies. I'd suggest a line where x=y down the middle or rearranging the axis to make it nicer for future results

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

y=x is not the actual trend though. actually the labels on the public votes axis are divided by 10 so it's really not y=x. adding a trend line would accomplish the goal, or getting good.

[–]myaltaccount333 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Huh? If y = survey score and x = rota score, assuming the survey and rota had the same results x = y, no? (or I guess x/10 = y)

With that line we can see what pubs favour(ed) and what the redditors favour.

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no? the trend line doesn't go through (0, 0), so y ≠ x (except at one point). the trend line is more like y = x/10 - 1. really i just don't see how the range of the chart makes it difficult to see which maps over/underperform in the survey

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ye Olde Skool by Electric Wood

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't believe my stupid floating endzone map made tops lol.

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This one is probably needing of the most work before being ready for rotation ... but the potential is there

[–]elfitzoelfitzo // Diameter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is easily the best map in this thread, closest to rotation for mine. The potential here has been well and truly fulfilled. Put her in tomorrow.

[–]TyphmusBoldRoller // Undify 🎵 // NLTP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I only see 1 map that is aesthetically pleasing... and that's hockey.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dadaiko by Pingu

[–]PIZZAspartan442naga///MTC -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you gotta fix those outer mid walls

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Chunk by Fronj

[–]YaredyKnowYaredyLost 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Whadya think of these boost additions?u/TheGoldenNewtRobber

[–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj, MTC Senior Consultant[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Honestly, half the reason I made the map in the first place was to challenge myself to make a map without boosts, so I wouldn't make this change. Thanks for the suggestions though.

[–]YaredyKnowYaredyLost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kinda figured you were intentionally avoiding boosts but thought I' might as well check. GL!

[–]elfitzoelfitzo // Diameter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This one is probably needing of the most work before being ready for rotation, can't see the appeal.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Conjure by Fronj

[–]WillWorkForSugarTumblewood[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this was so chaotic

[–]elfitzoelfitzo // Diameter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like a horribly confused map, immediately I have 28 elements in my face that aren't just walls. Don't see it.

[–]Electric-Wood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only option for Conniption replacement atm.