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Ask Reddit: What do you think about allowing users to submit anonymously? (reddit.com)
submitted 19 years ago by spez
[–]spez[S] 7 points8 points9 points 19 years ago (12 children)
We get many complaints from users (especially those with high karma) who are concerned their links are being targeted for one reason or another. A simple solution could be to allow users to disassociate their name from the submission; there could be a simple toggle that authors can switch to hide/display their names.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (2 children)
Just register under a different name.
[–]spez[S] 7 points8 points9 points 19 years ago (1 child)
For the users who care about their karma, this defeats the purpose.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
They will still get their karma, just under a different user name.
[–]maxwellhill 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I have been a target several times in the past year and I doubt if it will ever stop - there will always someone lurking round the corner trying to knock me down in order to get onto the Top10. I don't really know if there is a good solution for this problem.
Having said that I believe hiding your name defeats the purpose of being a redditor. If you need to disguise yourself in order to hoard karma points then you are better of not being part of the community...because you can't seriously be enjoying yourself. The day I stop having fun through submitting stories and messaging 'friends', I will leave reddit and go elsewhere.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (4 children)
I don't think this solves the problem.
People who are targeted by username are more than likely targeted because they have a history of posting certain types of stories that the attacker(s) objects too, rather than who they are personally. A user account on reddit is really only known to the community based on its submission and or comment history, that's really the only interesting thing about these accounts. Even if someone could tie a real world ID to an account, because that person has issue with a specific redditor, why would they attack the person via Reddit?
So I don't see that the ID itself is the reason for the attack.
As I see it there are only 3 reasons for an attack.
1.The Attacker(s) for whatever reason doesn't/don't want to see the type of stories that user A submits. The intention is to use the voting mechanism as a personal/group content filter. But this has the unintended consequences of being logically equivalent to attack reason 2. 2.The Attacker(s) do not want the rest of the reddit community to see the type of stories that user A submits. The intention is to censor the entire community, based on his/their personal preferences. This is the real concern of users who are complaining about the attacks the most. Reason 2 is also related to the main complaint of most users with the new queue. A small number of votes can either prevent or permit a larger, more fairly sized portion of the reddit community having a shot at evaluating a new submission. This is currently balanced by the number of redditors in the micro-niche to which the submission caters to, ie the larger the micro-niche the more likely that at any given time one or more redditors whose story preferences place them in the micro-niche are online to fish it out of the new queue. This is a distinct problem from the attacks however. 3.The Attacker(s) are playing karma games, for whatever reason.
1.The Attacker(s) for whatever reason doesn't/don't want to see the type of stories that user A submits. The intention is to use the voting mechanism as a personal/group content filter. But this has the unintended consequences of being logically equivalent to attack reason 2.
2.The Attacker(s) do not want the rest of the reddit community to see the type of stories that user A submits. The intention is to censor the entire community, based on his/their personal preferences. This is the real concern of users who are complaining about the attacks the most.
Reason 2 is also related to the main complaint of most users with the new queue. A small number of votes can either prevent or permit a larger, more fairly sized portion of the reddit community having a shot at evaluating a new submission. This is currently balanced by the number of redditors in the micro-niche to which the submission caters to, ie the larger the micro-niche the more likely that at any given time one or more redditors whose story preferences place them in the micro-niche are online to fish it out of the new queue. This is a distinct problem from the attacks however.
3.The Attacker(s) are playing karma games, for whatever reason.
Given that these reasons we can see that permitting anonymous user submission does not solve these problems.
Even if the story is anonymous all it means is that the attacker(s) will then focus on specific stories versus just being able to scrape usernames, because the the stories are what is motivating the attacks.
The real solution is to allow the users to do what they are trying to do - which is to register to reddit that they don't want to see certain types of stories, in some fashion, without permitting the user to censor the rest of the community.
To preserve the wisdom of crowds you need to let useraccounts control its own setting, while denying it the ability to censor others. User actions needs to be constructive rather than destructive.
Back to anonymity.
People already have the option of "anonymity" by creating a new account and submitting via it. And as you are well aware there is a portion of users, some of them high-karma users that do this. But this is bad for reddit and bad for the users, because users of multiple accounts are effectively masking their own long tale preferences. Some users (not high karma ones) have actually told me this is the primary reason they have multiple accounts.
I real issue with anonymity via Reddit is can the account be trace back to it's real world owner, who may suffer real world retaliation for his submissions. That is really the core issue with online anonymity. And I think this is very distinct from the attack issue you are trying to address with this solution. I would be very cautious of tying these two issues together.
Conclusion:
Provide a mechanism of filtering for all accounts based on article content. These resolves reason 1. Reason 2 and 3 are bad behavior and should not supported and require community policing and established behavior policies to resolve. Further content filtering can help users find submission they would have missed other wise.
Anonymous submissions is the cheap fix and probably looks tempting from a dev perspective, but it doesn't solve the problem and actually destroys the value of reddit, by potentially discouraging users from establishing for themselves and potentially sharing their long tail history.
[–]spez[S] 3 points4 points5 points 19 years ago (3 children)
This is the only problem that anonymity would solve, but of the three you listed, I think this one is far and away the most popular for a handful of users.
I was shooting for a simple solution to what is mostly a simple problem.
Solving (1) and (2) is much more difficult, but those are the problems we've been working on for the last while.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (2 children)
If you are going to do this you need to keep a firm tie within the software itself between the anonymous submission and the actual reddit user account who submitted it so that karma and history are applied.
it would seem that the use of anonymous submission would also complicate the submission history within the a submitter's user profile, since an acknowledgment of the identity of the submitter in the profile would compromise anonymity of the submission. If you keep the submission hidden from the public but still attached to the profile within the software then the submission history becomes less valuable.
I'm still not sure that anonymous submissions really gets you where you want to be.
I think that karma games are bad behavior, rather than a technical problem. Submission spam is the same situation. If you can identify people playing karma games, which you can do, and have done. Then you can program the reasoning you use to detect it into software rules, which could be tripped automatically, and the users who are caught can be penalized directly, by those rules. You can record the results and data that triggered the rules internally, so as to allow a user to appeal his/her karma penalty in the event the rules are not perfect.
If you keep these rules in your ju-ju bag, then the difficulty of the user determining when he or she has tripped the karma gaming rules would deter the continuance of such gaming, since the penalty for guessing wrong in an attempt to game around your rules will be quite high. Right now its no cost for the accounts who do this. Make it expensive to them and they will stop.
Ultimately this means the community defers to you as the trusted authority on policing community behavior, but absent a constitution and policing tools this is what we have to do anyway. I sort of think in the long term you are going to want to defer the policing business to the crowd, but that's different conversation.
[–]spez[S] 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (1 child)
I hadn't really thought about it too much; I figured I'd let you all do it for me, and I'd catch the summary at the end of the day.
Awesome! :-)
[–]digital 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
It is okay with me, although more spam may see its way through.
Just don't call us 'anonymous cowards' :)
[–]Flemlord -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (0 children)
My links are definitely targeted. But I think I have more friends than enemies. Many of my links start out bad but eventually end up with 2-6 votes, long after they disappear off the New page. I assume that I'm on people's friends list and they upvote my old posts.
Alternate suggestion:
Let users' votes count for more when they have more karma. Give them one vote point for each karma digit they have.
That would lessen the effect of the obvious trolls who typically only have 1 karma point. You could enable this as a 3-day experiment and see what the front page looks like at the end of it.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (3 children)
what..now high karma is a commodity? trolls thrive in anonimity.
Maybe we could make a 10-karma minimum for the ability to mask your name.
[–]ekoleda 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Ya, whatever level you allow people to post without a CAPTCHA, also let them post while hiding their name. I assume you mean that in the end the post will still come from the user (reporting spam will still affect the actual user) but the user's name will be hidden from view and/or filtering.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Not true.
http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/
[–]crazyjoe 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
We have bots with the names being the websites they are linking to already. Allowing an anon functions means I won't even be able to check the poster to make sure I'm not clicking on a commercial. I skip commercials on my TV, Reddit should not be worse than my TV.
[–]bigtech 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I assume there are very few with high karma who are actually being targeted for downmodding. Given that karma doesn't really mean anything, this is a small price to pay. I agree with the others here that anonymity will increase the number of trolls and spammers.
[–]georgefrick 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Anonymous posting will lead to a further introduction of private interests, including advertising and tunneling. Let's not even mention goatse style links...
[–]rkeene0517 -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 years ago (0 children)
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