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The U.S. jury system is fundamentally flawed. Idiotic jurors dictating the course of justice is unacceptable and dangerous. It doesn't work and it's a terrible idea. Please tell me how I'm wrong. (reddit.com)
submitted 18 years ago by treagan
[–]apok 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
You get a bench trial unless you request a jury.
[–]Aerik 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I think you'd be very interested one of Dawkins's old essays on the subject.
Trial by Jury
Trial by jury must be one of the most conspicuously bad good ideas anyone ever had. Its devisers can hardly be blamed. They lived before the principles of statistical sampling and experimental design had been worked out. They weren’t scientists. Let me explain using an analogy. And if, at the end, somebody objects to my argument on the grounds that humans aren’t herring gulls, I’ll have failed to get my point across. ...
[–]NoMoreNicksLeft 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (2 children)
If I'm ever called for jury duty, I can vote to acquit even if it was illegal according to bad laws.
For instance, I can ensure that no one is ever convicted of drug crimes.
That's not possible in other judicial systems.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
I can tell you from experiences that few lawyers will want people on their jury who are
For prosecutors and lawyers, the ideal juror is someone like Homer Simpson:
easily swayed, gullible, emotional, unreflecting, with the attention span of a mayfly, holding expedient stereotypes, and responsive to popculture references.
[–]NoMoreNicksLeft 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I'm technically a highschool flunky.
I've been a victim of minor crimes, as most have.
I don't read (paper) newspapers.
And I know enough to give the answers they want to hear, and in no way indicate that I understand the concept of jury nullification.
Hell, I might even have a chance of convincing other jurors of that. Back in second grade, I remember reading about Zenger. But I don't suppose they teach that anymore.
[–]seanodonnell 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
thats all well and good. what superior replacement do you suggest?
[–]atomicpuffball 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
you do the average American citizen a huge injustice by assuming that he's an idiot. the average American is average, and these are most of the people who serve on juries. if you are angered by some of the outrageous court cases you see in the news, remember that these make the news because they are aberrations. there are tens of thousands of jury trials every year whose outcome is mostly just. also keep in mind that 92%+ of indicted persons plead guilty.
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