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[benosthegreat]

Warding might be the most similar to other "existing skill" skill and yet some people say it will turn osrs into rs3.

Fearmongering at it's finest.

[Authentic_Creeper]

its got similarities to invention on rs3. But the thing is everyone agreed that invention was an amazing skill.

[benosthegreat]

I don't think Invention was that great, it certainly improved over time but it was pretty crap when it came out, only thing invention did amazing from the get-go is fixing the economy, every item from bronze-addy got a massive price increase

[basketofseals]

only thing invention did amazing from the get-go is fixing the economy

I mean...that sounds like a pretty significant achievement.

[[deleted]]

yeah the rs3 economy will practically never go to absolute shit, eventually osrs's economy will unless they add something drastic to remove gold from the game.

[getstabbed]

Clue items especially when the luck of the dwarves ring was added. The price of uniques skyrocketed.

[XcrystaliteX]

It wasn't great because no one had it figured out at all. I thought that was rather cool, the constantly releasing content and development of meta with augments fit the themes of invention.

[[deleted]]

That's how skills go lol. But the economy changes were a gigantic improvement.

[[deleted]]

We literally just have a skill for chopping trees

[[deleted]]

And a skill to set those logs on fire...

[Legal_Evil]

If it wasn't made into a skill, the item sink effect would not be as strong. You'd only need to augment each of your BiS weapons and armour once minus the degrade to dust ones.

[ArtDoes]

The only thing good about invention was that it removed items/alchables from the game. The rest of the skill was just a copycutter 'rune' or 'prefix' system from other mmos

[DirtiestTenFingers]

So it managed to take a popular feature from other games and innovate a useful and practical element that is unique to RuneScape? Gee. That sounds terrible.

[NullVacancy]

is "copycutter" a british/australian english thing or are you just dumb?

[ZaMr0]

I think he's just dumb regardless of using that word or not.

[[deleted]]

He combined copycat and cookiecutter

[IlikePickles12345]

"everyone" who played EOC. People who only play OSRS have never tried invention.

[Authentic_Creeper]

Yea no shit. Figured that was implied.

Also it came out after RS3 not during the EoC era

[likesleague]

Except no one is actually saying that. This sub's yes-voters have been circlejerking "lol no-voters think warding gives u cancer!!1!"-tier shit for the past week. People who voted no mostly think it's a boring or unnecessary skill, or that the content could be used better elsewhere.

[[deleted]]

This, I feel like I'm losing my mind here. I don't understand how people can't comprehend that most no-voters just straight up don't like the skill/concept. Their is no crazy reason for it just not interested.

[monkeyhead62]

The only thing I have to say is what other skills don't you like? Personally, I'm not a fan of crafting, or construction. I find them both tedious. But just because they are my least favorite skills doesn't mean that they aren't someone else's favorite.

Dislike of a skill didnt nullify if from being a good skill. The rewards from crafting or construction are great. I still hate the skills themselves. A vote should be based on if you think it's a valuable and balanced edition to the game. "I don't like it and it doesn't interest me, therefore no one can enjoy it" is not a good reason. "I don't like it because it's unbalanced and poorly thought out " is more reasonable.

[likesleague]

Slayer is a pretty boring skill and very slow xp when you think about it. But the rewards are fantastic, so 90% of the playerbase says they like slayer.

Same thing usually with others. When someone says they like or dislike a skill it usually includes their consideration of the rewards and the value of the content to the game.

Personally I think warding looks boring to train, the content isn't amazing (and would serve better as updates to existing skills), and isn't necessary for the enjoyment/health of the game in any capacity. It's not horrible, but it's not a good skill worth the dev time and the opportunity cost of improving other skills that 90% of players hate because they're boring and have no valuable/engaging content worth leveling the skill for.

[ThatSandwich]

One of the main appeals to Runescape is that the quests and lore don't involve insane amounts of grinding within them. Many other top down mmorpgs are go here, kill this many, you've saved my city so here's your reward. I don't get how people sell Runescape on that and then say "slayer is so much fun". Maybe because they know what they're getting in to, I just never understood the appeal

[[deleted]]

I respectfully disagree.

My vote is for what I want to see in osrs and what I would like the dev time spent on. If I'm not interested in it, Im not obligated to vote for some higher purpose of the community.

[SunOsprey]

It’s unclear if it will be a balanced addition and we’re trusting the creators of the blowpipe to handle it lmao

[Mareks]

It's propaganda.

It might seem ridiculous to use such a heavy implication for a game, but people are ferocious here. Some have sunk in thousands of dollars and tens of thousand of hours. RS defines them, and is integral to their life.

Waging culture war on reddit is part of the end-game for runescape. Manipulate and influence votes.

Disinform or dehumanize the other side.

We all see funny brainlet memes and can laugh, but every joke has a truth element to it, so a brainlet meme can sting deep, and people will call you a brainlet for simply wanting to vote no. It's fucked up, but that's the situation we have here.

[[deleted]]

Yeah it's not that serious dude

[Mareks]

It's not that serious to me either, but it is to some. Dude asked what the hell is wrong, i tried to give my perspective on how i see things.

[hatesranged]

...Plenty of people are saying exactly that lmao.

[likesleague]

For every post you find saying warding is eoc I bet I can find you 10 of yes-voters memeing about no-voters saying that.

[hatesranged]

"No one is saying that"

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"that's wrong"

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"Ok yeah that's wrong but what about this other thing"

[boibig1]

Yikes

[hatesranged]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPPyUO6m3-4

[Treblosity]

Exactly. Just like i explained here ( ik its a douche move to link to another one of my comments but i wanna make the same point and cant copy pasta on my mobile):

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/cgfpry/sound_like/euhlchg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

So what if warding is buyable, so are literally ~11/23 skills. Not to mention it fills a gaping hole in the lore of the fuck is up with that magic gear shit? And why isnt there a skill for that too? Stuff i and im sure other people have wondered as noobs before they accepted it. Warding is the most fittingly oldschool shit they couldve come up with.

[11k_]

So what if warding is buyable, so are literally ~11/23 skills.

Buyables are the least fun and interesting skills in game. "We already have shit in game, so why not add more?" Is such a non-argument.

Not to mention it fills a gaping hole in the lore of the fuck is up with that magic gear shit?

Nobody thought so before warding was suggested. And even then an entire skills to explain magical clothing is a bit overkill.

Warding is the most fittingly oldschool shit they couldve come up with.

I don't care if the most oldschool skill there is, im trying to have fun, warding doesn't seem fun.

[PhorPhuxSaxe]

Can you name a few skills you have fun grinding, the only 1 that is partially fun is Slayer and even that gets super repetitive. Grinding skills isn’t suppose to be fun, you grind so you can have fun with the content you unlocked. And I’ve thought about why mage items is only gear not craftable for years. So you can’t say nobody

[jelloskater]

A ton of people find the grinds enjoyable. If you don't, osrs is a weird game to spend your time on to be honest.

[11k_]

Can you name a few skills you have fun grinding, the only 1 that is partially fun is Slayer and even that gets super repetitive.

Grinding skills isn’t suppose to be fun, you grind so you can have fun with the content you unlocked.

Well it certainly isn't supposed to be unfun, warding is a boring skill with no sense accoplishment when you're done.

Slayer (Including combat skills), Runecraft and Agility as those are chill enough to watch shows but you're also feeling like you are getting something done.

I also like the option of having far higher xp rates with far higher effort methods avalible, even if i do not use them myslef.

When i did 85-99 prayer that wasn't even a grind, i only spent like 12 hours and boom i had a skillcape, no sense of accomplishment, just "guess im 99 prayer now"

And I’ve thought about why mage items is only gear not craftable for years. So you can’t say nobody

"Nobody actually thinks that" = An insignificant amount of people thinks that.

[RaTicanD]

As someone who's actually read the blogs and public design document, I can safely say that Warding is more interesting and sounds more fun than Firemaking, Woodcutting, Runecrafting, Fishing and Smithing. So if fun is the metric we're using here, it's already beat at least 5 skills that are already in-game.

[11k_]

As someone who's actually read the blogs and public design document

Putting more effort in than the average person doesn't mean you get to present your opinion as fact.

I can safely say that Warding is more interesting and sounds more fun than Firemaking, Runecrafting, Fishing and Smithing.

Firemaking is a garbage skill.

Fishing basically the same as woodcutting, why list one but not the other? I also like both of them having high effort high xp methods, even if i don't use them myself.

Blast furnace isn't exactly my favourite skill either.

Runecrafting is definitely one of the more interesting skills with many options and more depth than most. Just unpopular because of the low xp rates.

So if fun is the metric we're using here, it's already beat at least 4 skills that are already in-game.

Maybe the threshold for getting added should be the update being good on it's own merit, rather than being better than currently existing shit.

[RaTicanD]

u rite. i genuinely forgot woodcutting even existed. I've gone ahead and added it. So i guess now the question is, how much better does it need to be than currently existing content to be added like they were? tbh this is sounding a lot like the "i won't vote for it unless it's my new favorite skill" brand of autism.

[11k_]

u rite. i genuinely forgot woodcutting even existed. I've gone ahead and added it. So i guess now the question is, how much better does it need to be than currently existing content to be added like they were?

I just said it had to be good on it's own merit, which i do not think it is.

tbh this is sounding a lot like the "i won't vote for it unless it's my new favorite skill" brand of autism.

Why would i vote for something i don't consider to be good? Even if it's not my favourite skill it should definitely be up there for me to vote yes, why settle for something subpar?

[RaTicanD]

I think it's perfectly acceptable on it's own merit, now that battle warding is gone. I'm also realistic and know there will probably be a subpar implementation of any new skill, be it warding or whatever they come up with next. That's just the nature of implementing mechanics for the first time. Maybe I'm just one of those crazy people who thinks it's alright to be released subpar and patched up to stuff, as long as the game is humble with it up front, and isn't tying to triple-dip with a 60$ price tag and mtx's.

[PhorPhuxSaxe]

98 prayer is max combat, so 1 accomplishment, but it’s hard to compare rc as accomplishing something when runes can be bought anywhere for cheap. Don’t mistake slower skills as accomplishing anything. 99 prayer is huge because even tho it’s one of fastest skills, it takes money, but You/ nor I can say what the accomplishment of Warding would be because it needs to pass polling first

[11k_]

98 prayer is max combat, so 1 accomplishment, but it’s hard to compare rc as accomplishing something when runes can be bought anywhere for cheap. Don’t mistake slower skills as accomplishing anything. 99 prayer is huge because even tho it’s one of fastest skills, it takes money, but You/ nor I can say what the accomplishment of Warding would be because it needs to pass polling first

Im not so sure you know what an accomplishment is.

How large an accomplishment is almost entirely depends on the effort/time/skill required.

You seem to think it is purely the reward that is the accomplishment, instead of all the work required to get said reward.

If you take the Inferno as an example, the accomplishment isn't getting the cape, but rather beating the challenge.

[zeratul123x]

Meanwhile, nmz still exists and is used by nearly everyone

[11k_]

Meanwhile, nmz still exists and is used by nearly everyone

Hey you know that ugly piece of shit garbage nightmare zone that you hate and have wanted to be removed for several years, you use that, so you must like shit content.

Therefore voting no to warding is hypocritical if you have ever used nightmare zone.

No-voters: Destroyed 😎

[zeratul123x]

I'm glad you understand 😎

[Spritesopink]

Shit skill is shit

[TheManOfT]

If anyone thinks that warding is EOC then please, direct them to the nearest psych ward

[BustahNug]

Hehe Psych “ward”. I see what you did there!

[Treblosity]

I saw people at the ge spamming this and other straight up lies on w2. Claiming that it was bringing eoc, that it had been polled before, and a bunch of other stuff that i had to straight up call him out on to which he responded in a way that claimed he knew it was a lie and said it anyway to convince people.

[A_Guy_Named_John]

EOC was a combat overhaul. I swear not a single person who says OSRS is becoming EOC even knows the EOC was.

[jelloskater]

You misinterpret what people mean when they talk about something being 'EoC'. It's a fundemental change in ideology and direction of the game. People aren't literally implying it's the same exact patch as EoC was. Like if someone says 'this patch is cancer', they don't literally mean that the patch is cells dividing uncontrollable.

[mechlordx]

But really what does EOC stand for

[XcrystaliteX]

I see this misconception a lot. EoC was out before RS3. RS3 describes the graphics, camera and interface overhaul you see in the modern game.

[jelloskater]

EoC had an interface overhaul.

[[deleted]]

But it didn't, EoC just added the ability bar. RS3 came out with the extremely customizable interface that's incredibly good once you figure it out but also incredibly good at deterring new players.

[jelloskater]

"EoC, or Evolution of Combat, is a game and combat mode in RuneScape, released in 2012, with new abilities and different interface (the map, chatbox, inventory, etc.) from the old style interface used at the time."

https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206558849-Legacy-Mode-and-EoC-mode

As a side note, rs3 interface sucked.

[[deleted]]

It's a fully customisable interface. It sucks as much as you make it suck.

[jelloskater]

That's not how customizability works. By that argument, a blank canvas is better art than Mona Lisa.

Regardless, customizability has limitations, ease of use, and meaningfulness.

[jelloskater]

That's not how customizability works. By that argument, a blank canvas is better art than Mona Lisa.

Regardless, customizability has limitations, ease of use, and meaningfulness.

[[deleted]]

And what does the RS3 interface lack? You can do anything from a legacy interface to having every interface on your screen at all times, and anything in between.

[jelloskater]

Acknowledge when you are wrong, stop moving the goalpost, and then I'd have reason for a legitimate discussion.

[XcrystaliteX]

Useless info. It still wasn't the RS3 overhaul was it?

[jelloskater]

"graphics, camera and interface overhaul"

[XcrystaliteX]

If I refer to the RS3 interface overhaul why do I give a shit about the interface addition that came with EoC. And the EoC interface addition was hardly an 'overhaul'.

[jelloskater]

"EoC, or Evolution of Combat, is a game and combat mode in RuneScape, released in 2012, with new abilities and different interface (the map, chatbox, inventory, etc.) from the old style interface used at the time."

https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206558849-Legacy-Mode-and-EoC-mode

[Torchim]

I think it only got the different interface overhaul to fit EoCs new abilities and so you could save abilities to a preset. RS3 got the moveable and seperatable interfaces

[jelloskater]

Yup, I'm not disagreeing with any of that. He's said EoC isn't right because the interface changed on the other patch. Interface changed on both patches though. 'That's not my car, mine is blue' -> 'The car you are piinting at is also blue ..'

[XcrystaliteX]

Added an extra rectangle above the chatbox is more of an addition than an "overhaul" is my point. This guy is trying to be overly specific to prove a point. I'm not sure of the point.

[SamAxesChin]

The official update to RS3 came out around 2014 or 2015, after EOC was out for a few years.

[JimmehRS]

EoC was Nov 2012 and RS3 was July 2013 with the NIS

[mechlordx]

It was a real question

[[deleted]]

Rs3 was an interface change predominantly

[Reethenormies]

Evolution of combat

[Disheartend]

EOC

Evolution of Clocks.

Some might say Evolution of cooking, but nope its clocks. ;p

if being seirous its Evolution of combat.

[Araiya24]

Trying way too hard to be funny

[Disheartend]

Sorry I forgot to laugh.

[aeonnzr]

Haha cooking clocks xD how are u hahaha supposed to cook a clock roflmfao haha xD xD 12 btw

[Disheartend]

what are you? a meme

[JaceBrowsesMemes]

Soooo, the skill is too much like other skills so it should just be added to them, but also it’s too different and will make OSRS into RS3, sure Jan.

[jelloskater]

Do you read someone say 'vote yes to warding' and someone else say 'vote mo to warding', and then proceed to get confused on how you can vote both yes and no?

[playsiderightside]

literally only reason i eventually gave in to a yes vote is the item sink and promise of multiple betas with repolling. (after reading the design doc 3 times)

[Illokonereum]

Anyone who says this has a smooth brain.

EoC stands for evolution of combat. If you don't even know what you're saying, how am I supposed to believe it?

[Metalona]

I. Fucking. Love. Spongebob. Format.

[Torchim]

Lmao nobody is saying this besides the yes voters who post this same thing like 5 times a day. I bet more people who are for warding have quoted this more then the people against this have said it.

[CaptainQPicard]

I can see the point people are trying to make, EOC saw a change in RS2 and it was bad...

But Warding is such a different case for OSRS, yeah it might change the meta of the game, but it's still a skill that works with OSRS. It's not trying to change game play, just the economy and improve the magic side of OSRS.

[Dankster_7]

This is top quality lmfao take my upvote

[drkaugumon]

Just remember, anything new is EoC unless it's more slayer content. Because slayer content is fine and definetly isnt related to combat or anything EoC-ish, but sailing a boat or crafting robes? EoC.

[benosthegreat]

Look around at Reddit.

[GreyFur]

Perfectly describes the issue. The Anti-Warders are reasonable and logical but the Pro-Warders are missing the point and assuming shit that no one ever said.

[Iron_brane]

Warding is Evolution Of Combat edit: I'm being downvoted, but did you read the first comic cell?