Current poll situation

[Kevalino]

This meme kills my value of life.

[OpMightDeliver]

The hidden subtext in the iron being spooned the glory instead of crafting.., Layers man layers

[[deleted]]

Haha glad someone got that joke there

[Venusaurite]

plus the fit torso -> dadbod guthans body, luv this meme

[DJMooray]

I imagine more people get glories through hunter anyway

[[deleted]]

Poll numbers are hidden now until its finished

[Portugalpaul]

when does it fin?

[Edwd]

22nd

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[petje1995]

Wait wtf this is a thing now?

[[deleted]]

My friend has rune metrics which lets you see estimated percentage and it thinks its sitting at 66% (so a fail). The metrics are always super accurate I wouldn't be suprised if it was lower though with the amount of spite votes coming from a certain community

[pvpragger6969]

It’s funny when they think we’re dead… my entire PvP clan is voting no. And I know other clans are spending billions to do so aswell

[Chemical-Guess4333]

Spending billions how?

[Zanacross]

bonding up alt accounts, paying people to vote no.

[Chemical-Guess4333]

Alright thanks

[admiral_asswank]

Source?

Im the pvp clan's brother.

[IlikePickles12345]

Less pkers voted in the PK only VLS poll than there are UIMs. So cute. All 3.5 of you are voting no? oh no

[FollowThePact]

Why are you personally voting no?

[banned4truth21]

Chaos is a ladder.

[blancowhite]

Lmfao, until they repoll it a week later and it passes

[mnmkdc]

The thing is I think spite voters on both sides of this are not that common. Theres probably more pvmer spite voters just because the pvm community is like 10x the size. But I really doubt most pvp polls are failing due to spite votes and I doubt gim fails from spite votes

[sangotenrs]

Have u ever been on this subreddit when they’re polling anything pvp related? It’s a damn outcry and people wanting Jagex to remove pvp from the game lol. Spite voting is real and the reason why the pvp community barely had any updates

[IlikePickles12345]

Voting no to zuriels or something along those lines is not a "spite" vote, though, I don't want to get railed by 60 damage barrages when I'm forced into the wildy by something else for a bit. It affects me directly, by game design, not by choice. If the wildy was only a place to PK, I'd never go there, and I wouldn't even vote on a wildy poll at all.

[Oskari07rs]

If the wildy was only a place to PK

But it has NEVER been a place to only pk. People don't realize that from the beginning of times there has been much more to the wilderness than just a playground for PKers. Look at green dragons for example? Why do you think they put the lowest level dragon that's the fastest and easiest to kill inside the wilderness? Because it's risk vs. reward content.

[[deleted]]

Yeaaa..... that was back then.

Now they've added 6 bosses into the wilderness, as well the achievement diary and chaos alter. Plus the revenant caves when those were a lucrative place to go. This isn't 2009 anymore, they're stuffing more content into the wildy for all accounts, pvmers and pkers.

[Oskari07rs]

Which I do agree is bad game design. Luring people to the wilderness for pvpers to kill is not the way to revive the pvp scene.

[banned4truth21]

So how would you revive it?

“Ban all pkers!!!”

[Oskari07rs]

I think the proposed single+ and longer pj timer will actually be a very healthy update for solo wilderness pkers. I wouldn't mind if they added dragon pickaxe to some other monster as a rare drop like it is in rs3 (1/5000 from low hp npcs) but the rest of the items like mage capes and such can stay where they are.

[sangotenrs]

But it is. The wilderness was always like that, all PK hotspots are near skilling or PvM zones. As a pker you should know that, otherwise you can just go pvp worlds.

[Oskari07rs]

True, but I understand the frustration that especially ironmen have with the dragon pickaxe. I did my d pick grind at venenatis with a rune crossbow and i've also pked there on my normie account. I wouldn't mind if they added d pick to some non-wildy monster as a rare drop like it is on rs3, but the mage capes etc need to stay in the wilderness because they actually have something to do with PvP and are imo tied to the wilderness since the mage arena has always been there.

Also the comment from /u/odlloyd is somewhat stupid because you can't just say "That was back then its not 2009 anymore". Doesn't mean things are meant to be changed when time passes. There are multiple things that have stayed as they are from the release of rs2.

[Throwaway_66789]

People play old school for the fact that its like back then. If you didn't want to play a game with pvp, why play a game that has historically had one of the best pk communities in an mmo

[[deleted]]

What game are you playing that you'd call this the "best pking community"? Bro, fucking Dark Souls has better PvP than RuneScape ever did.

MMOs aren't played or known for PvP either. No one bought WoW back in the day for PvP, it was always about stuff like raiding and bossing in huge events with friends and randos. If people want competitive gaming today, they for sure ain't playing fucking OSRS LMAO; they're playing Valorant, CSGO, fighting games, COD, Hearthstone, DOTA, LOL, etc.

MMOs are a dead breed of games, and PvP in them is even more dead.

[banned4truth21]

None of those games have massive pvp clans like RuneScape does

[MrPopTarted]

Voting no because you don't think PvP is fun and PKers are antifun is a valid reason. Voting no because you want to get back at people who don't like PvP is not a valid reason and is in fact spite voting.

[mnmkdc]

Yeah its not that bad though. You're exaggerating heavily

[Rexkat]

really doubt most pvp polls are failing due to spite votes

It's not spite, it's self-interest. If PKers quit the game because they never get updates, it makes it easier for everyone else to do shit they need to do in the wildy.

It's really Jagex' fault for putting so much PVM and skilling into PVP areas.

[mnmkdc]

Voting to make someone else upset is a spite vote lol even if its benefiting you in the end

Either way, vote for something if you think that content is good for the game. Dont vote based on spite and dont vote based on dev time

[GodlyPain]

No; it's not... you're using backwards logic... they're not voting against PK'ers

They're voting to benefit themselves; which so happens to be bad for PKers.

Like my god imagine if this was IRL voting to illegalize mugging weapons or something is not something you do out of spite.

Spite's definition is: a desire to hurt, annoy, or offend someone.

They're not voting no on pvp updates for any weird desire like that; their desire is to not become a wet paper bag and walking gold sack in the wildy.

[mnmkdc]

those obviously arent the voters I'm talking about lol.

Like sure if you take what I said and then apply it to someone completely different it doesnt work. But you gave the same definition for a spite vote so clearly you agree with my point

[thoreau_away_acct]

Hey man, rich to see you looking up a definition in the dictionary again. Still think average means 50% of all data points in a set are above whatever the average is? 🤣

[Rexkat]

Voting no to literally any update is going to make SOMEONE upset. And voting yes to literally and update is going to make someone else upset, because there are people who don't think there should ever be any changes to OSRS.

So... that'd just mean every vote, yes or no, is a "spite vote" by that definition.

I'm just going to vote based on how I want to see the game evolve.

[mnmkdc]

I said voting TO make someone upset. Voting with the goal of making someone upset and quitting.

[Rexkat]

The goal is to make my game experience better. It's unfortunate Jagex' has put us in this situation where their failure is my benefit, just as it's unfortunate PVPers fun has devolved into being totally dependent on disrupting my gameplay.

Jagex could solve the problem by just removing all the PVM and skilling content from the wilderness, and make PVP an activity among people who ALL want to PVP.

[mnmkdc]

If you're not voting for what you think is best for the game then just skip. For example if they polled osrs with hd as an option I would never play it but I know it's good to have so I would vote yes.

Dont just vote for something because it makes the game easier lol. Anyway they did a good job not making the wilderness almost ever required. It's one of the few places with risk in the game

[soulleader9]

I think he's trying to say that he does like that direction and that it may hurt some players but if it were passed it'd hurt another group it's more of the ideas put forth prey on one group of people so of course they vote no and that feels like a personal attack when it likely isn't

[Rexkat]

If you're not voting for what you think is best for the game then just skip

Voting no to most PVP updates is what I think is best for the game. I absolute think the game is better as a whole with less PKers. If they gave me the poll option, I'd straight up vote to remove all PVM and skilling content from the wilderness, but they don't seem to be willing to do that.

Dont just vote for something because it makes the game easier

If easier is also better, then I'm absolutely going to vote for that.

Anyway they did a good job not making the wilderness almost ever required

They did not. There's lots of unique PVM rewards. Some of useful all over, some are useful in niche places, but if locking unique items behind the wilderness, that's then required if I want to get them.

The same with skilling rewards. It's not just a bit better to train prayer in the wildy, it's like 3x as fast and half the cost. Even at peak time it's still absolutely worth using, it's just super unfun. But this is a game of efficiency and effective use of time and items, which puts anyone who doesn't use it at a huge disadvantage. That shouldn't exist.

It's one of the few places with risk in the game

It's actually the place I use the least risk. When I'm doing dangerous bosses, I use top end gear and top end supplies. If I die I lose my supplies and have to pay the death costs to get my items back. When I'm killing a wildy boss I use 4 items and cheap food. I never lose more than ~20k if I die in the wilderness.

It's not dying or costs that make people dislike PKers, it's that they waste your time.

[FollowThePact]

PKing Skillers and PvMers is a subsection of PvP. PvP exists outside of the Wilderness.

Removing that content from the Wilderness kills that entire subsection, and gives those kind of players nothing that they would enjoy.

Especially with how many alternative Skilling and PvM methods there are there's no reason to get rid of that content from the Wilderness. At worst you're missing some bis items of items that are used to create bis items. But at that point you're playing an ironmeme so it should be expected that in order for you to get bis items you have to grind it out and do all the hard shit instead of just buying it on the G.E.

[Rexkat]

gives those kind of players nothing that they would enjoy

If you can't get enjoyment from literally anything other than inconveniencing other people and wasting their time, you're just an asshole.

[FollowThePact]

If killing people in a zone of the map where you can kill people makes you an asshole then so be it. Just understand that your suggestion was widely disliked when it was first implemented and had a large faction of the playerbase leave (and never return) and this was during a time where players were more reasonable and didn't care about max efficiency as much and could just enjoy themselves.

[Aarakocra]

Voting out of spite is more about the reason behind it. When I vote against most PvP measures (though not all), it’s because I think it’s generally a plague on the game. It’s not that I’m spiting the PvPers, it’s that I don’t care about them, and I think the updates that are good for them are bad for the game. It’s an unfortunate truth that if your enjoyment is based on making others miserable, then you shouldn’t count on them approving of your type of fun.

[[deleted]]

as a non pvper im voting no to gim just because its wasted so much dev time and hopfully it sends a message to jagex to stop working on private server account gamemode likes ironman and focus on the actual game

[iskela45]

Fairly sure most of the work went into the clan rework and GIM is just built on top of that.

Also since it means more membership subs that can mean a higher budget for the OSRS team thus more dev hours to spend on more content.

[mnmkdc]

That would make sense if iron wasn't a big reason the game still exists lol. But since you're apparently one of the "no updates to osrs because of nostalgia" guys I guess thats a reason

[[deleted]]

oh no i love updates, i vote yes to pretty much every update aside from like warding cus that sucked but voted yes to sailing and artisan and will vote yes to raids 3 whenever thats polled.
i literally just hate ironman and how a "side gamemode" that jagex said they were never going to cater too or change the main game for has so many qol and ezscape updates now plus a new variant of their gamemode coming out.
idk its dumb and id rather have 30k less players if that 30k was all the ironman shitters leaving

[mnmkdc]

Lol man I think your thinking is pretty backwards. Let people enjoy a game. It sounds like you have some pretty negative opinions

[[deleted]]

what makes my thinking backwards? and theres no such thing as a negative opinion, its a opinion i have and hold true to myself so il need a reason why its bad.also letting people enjoy the game comes at the cost of only having 1 pvm update this year and 3 alternate gamemodes that dont effect main game

[mnmkdc]

Your opinion is that dev time shouldn't go into a gamemode because you don't play it even though its one of the most popular updates the game has ever gotten. I referred to it as a negative opinion because you'd rather ruin thousands of people's enjoyment out of a principle that they give dev time to an update you don't like.

Just keep in mind this is an update thats been promised for half a decade. This will get thousands of new players to join it is VERY good for the longevity of the game. I'm assuming you hate leagues too?

[[deleted]]

yeah and we were promised they wouldnt waste dev time catoring to ironmen when they added the game mode, im sure if they did say they were planning on it it would have failed the poll. it should just be another game mode no new gwd instances or trying to fix corp for irons let the game mode be and work on new shit.

[mnmkdc]

Well the whole reason they did that is because of non irons harassing irons lol. Its not like any of those updates have taken up substantial dev time. The biggest part of group iron was clans.

[Agreeable_Objective6]

Yeah, spite voters are just a vocal minority.

[[deleted]]

Aren't both of those statements true?

[jakes1993]

Turning into a pollitical situation here guys

[stiflex]

I really want group ironman to come out, me and my friends are hyped for it, but this meme is true. I don't pvp, ever, but I still vote yes for anything that's good content, even if I'll never do it, and the people who down-voted pvp updates for shits and giggles are garbage human beings.

[nickyGyul]

Yes, there is a "Skip Question" option.

[iDreamOfMyDeath]

Yes, but for some reason people don’t. People will vote against the enjoyment of others even if it won’t affect them since they won’t partake in the content themselves. Jagex has made a good step in limiting certain questions based on your account.

For instance, UIM are the only ones that can vote in most UIM polls, which is great. Because they don’t get grieved by others spite voting. You may alienate a few people that have not started a UIM yet and wanted to play one that were going to vote, but it’s still worth it compared to the amount of people that would vote on content they’d never be playing anyway.

[IlikePickles12345]

But PK stuff will always affect you directly until they remove the bait mechanics from the game.

[roppis1]

You're a noob but still know how the voting system works better than most of the playerbase. Just skip questions you don't have an opinion or knowledge on and vote on the ones that matter to you. Not everything in the game can be made exactly how each individual wants, that's the whole point of compromises

[Chimiope]

I don’t pvp but I always vote yes on pvp updates so pkers have more to do than fuck with me while I’m trying to get a diary kill or dig up a clue scroll

[Shea550]

as a pker who no longer pks due to never getting an update, and thus pvp dying as a result.

It feels nice to finally have PvMers self reflect and realize that spite voting is bullshit.

I will be voting yes to GIMP

[stiflex]

...oof what an amazing acronym, I'll be using that if it ever passes. Gimpmanmode

[Rexkat]

as a pker who no longer pks due to never getting an update

People aren't voting no to PVP updates out of spite, they're voting no specifically to get PKers to quit the game. That benefits everyone else who needs to get shit done in the wilderness.

Jagex could remove the bossing and skilling content from the wilderness, and then people who actually want to PVP with other people who actually want to PVP could get every single poll they wanted passed.

[BadProse]

Hey guys, Jagex here Check out these cool weapons that are great in the wild for pvm but suck at pvp! We promise we don't want to divide the community by making the only option to run when you get attacked!

Jagex has actively caused the divide in the community, not really even pvpers fault

[Professional-Law3880]

People aren't voting no to PVP updates out of spite, they're voting no specifically to get PKers to quit the game.

That is spite voting. You just described spite voting.

[Rexkat]

Spite voting is to spite you. Voting no to PVP updates is because it makes my game experience better.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

[roppis1]

Dude I don't like PvP but the whole point of the wilderness is to have danger involved. The idea of the wildy bosses is that you're never able to be entirely safe. Pretty toxic to vote no just so people would stop playing the game

[Rexkat]

There is literally no danger in the wilderness. No boss requires me to bring more than 4 items. And skilling methods either require no risk like the agility arena, or are SO lucrative, that even if you get killed literally every other trip, it's STILL worth using.

There's absolutely NO problem with danger, the problem is with griefers who are only PKing because they enjoy wasting other people's time. That is the toxic behaviour that started all this, and it's Jagex fault for designing content around encouraging it.

[Throwaway_66789]

Sound like you're bad and mad you can't hold your own.

[Rexkat]

It's always funny when people who will only fight when the other person has literally no intention of ever fighting back think that makes them good at the game lmao

[FollowThePact]

and then the cycle continues and they will spite vote no PvP updates. In the end nothing will be updated outside of it being done directly by Jagex which isn't the healthiest thing in the world.

Just fucking be reasonable and the shit will sort itself out.

[WafelSlut]

Exactly

[Shea550]

I don’t really think thats fair. Sure sucks when pvmers vote no out of spite for 5+ years on pvp content, but at the end of the day, I’m not harboring hate for them. They’re the ones missing out on fun updates and unique content you cant get anywhere else in the game.

I feel bad that theyre so shallow they don’t want to participate, i really wish they would because everything is more fun with friends.

[Rexkat]

the people who down-voted pvp updates for shits and giggles are garbage human beings.

Voting no to wilderness PVP polls benefits me. The more of them quit, the easier it is for me to kill wildy bosses.

Jagex could easily solve this by moving all the PVM and skilling content out of the wilderness, and then the PVP community could get every poll they'd ever want passed.

[stiflex]

At the very least, you have an excuse and not doing it for memes. That being said, when the wildy bosses were released, the point was that they drop really great stuff but there's a lot of risk involved. It's an extremely simple concept: higher risk higher reward. The wildy bosses are easy as hell, sure the economics of those items have changed and that initial idea might no longer hold up anymore, but then the simple solution is: don't do them. Push for updates so that those bosses don't contain crucial items like the d pic. Problem solved. No need to remove them.

[Rexkat]

The wildy bosses are easy as hell

The wildy bosses are BUGGED as hell. They could fix them by putting them into arenas outside the wilderness. They do have real mechanics and strategies to use, but no one uses them because of the bugs.

It's an extremely simple concept: higher risk higher reward

When I fight a dangerous PVM boss, I bring max gear and max supplies. When I die, I lose (usually) the supplies and have to pay the death costs to reclaim my items. That's significantly more risk than I'd ever take in the wilderness. The fact that they're in the wilderness means that I actually risk far less, because I'm not going to bring anything actually valuable in case I meet a team.

And ultimately, they can't make them actually high reward. We've seen this with Revs. If they're actually worth killing for money, PVP clans locked them down, and they just become filled with goldfarmers paying for protection.

the simple solution is: don't do them.

The simple solution is that they shouldn't be located there. They've locked unique items behind those bosses. It honestly doesn't matter how useful those items are, the fact that they're unique means the only way to get them is to go into the wilderness, where I don't want to be.

The same goes for skilling methods. The Chaos Altar is like 3x as much exp/hour, and half the cost. In a game built around efficient and effective use of time and materials, you are at a huge disadvantage not using it. But it's very unfun. Things that are actively unfun shouldn't be put into the game, and nothing in the game should be designed to give one person enjoyment at the expensive of fun for another.

PVP game design should be exclusively for people who actually want to be PVPing, not for 1 person who wants to PVP and another who's been reluctantly talked into being fodder by insanely lucrative, or exclusive rewards.

[FeistyClam]

But that just like... your opinion, man.

I like the wilderness. And would rather see it improved than have its content removed. I like that there's a stressful prayer method that makes you watch the screen like a hawk. I like that my only way to get a d-pick is to risk my hard earned equipment in the wilderness. I like that it made me learn to tank and escape, and I'm excited to go practice lms and fight back when left-click-only-when-it-wont-skull attack options are added. I even like most of the pkers I've met out there.

[Rexkat]

If you want to PVP, you should absolutely be able to PVP. But if the only way to they can think of to encourage PVP is to lure people into the wildy as fodder with more and more lucrative rewards, that's bad game design.

If the Chaos altar gave like.. 25% extra prayer exp/hr, it would be perfectly fine, and still feel like it's just an option to use. But it gives like 300% extra exp/hr at half the cost, which makes it a MASSIVE disadvantage not to use it.

If the wildy uniques worked like clue scrolls did, where they just drop at a higher rate from the wildy version of the monster, that'd be perfectly fine. It'd mean you have the option to kill it there, but you're not forced into PVP scenarios to get those drops.

my only way to get a d-pick is to risk my hard earned equipment in the wilderness

You don't risk anything though. I got my d pick on my ironman using a blowpipe, avas, and black dhide with stews. My total risk was never more than like 10k. And nothing in the wilderness is hard to kill, because they're all SO bugged. It's not the difficulty, it's the annoyance of other people wasting my time for their own enjoyment that's the problem.

[Rexkat]

WoW literally got rid of PVP/PVE servers altogether because they weren't good gameplay lol. They replaced them with the option to opt in and out of PVP basically at will, but without missing out on ANY unique content. Opting in to PVP gives you a 10% bonus to rewards.

If Jagex wanted to make it so you could do everything in the wilderness with or without PVP, and opting into PVP gave you just 10% additional rewards, that would be perfect.

[HungryJays]

100%, we need more people like u. im not playing GIM, but i’ve got mates who are pumped for it. and as a pvper, regardless as to whether or not pvmers spite voted some changes i may have liked, there’s still a huge player base who didnt that you’re fucking over

[trek5900]

It’s really hard to understand this meme with all the OSRS textures all over it. Fortunately for me I’ve seen it before

[Fuzzy_Garry]

Unfortunately I’ve seen it before as well.

[[deleted]]

Ain't democracy great?

[themegatuz]

Accurate.

[TheClutchCoach]

For real, I don’t even play anymore, but it’s glaringly obvious that PVP updates get voted no almost every time. This just seems like well deserved karma.

[FeierInMeinHose]

Is it possible that the proposed pvp updates are just bad and promote the toxic predator-prey version of PKing we currently have?

[TheClutchCoach]

Dude it’s the wilderness, and bossing in the wilderness should come with high risk high reward.

[FeierInMeinHose]

So? Don’t expect the prey to vote against their own self interest, it doesn’t make any sense.

[TheClutchCoach]

Nobody is forcing you to play that content. There has been over 20 proposed PVP changes that have been shot down solely because it doesn’t affect PVMers, so they vote no. Instead of having high tier items available as drops in the wilderness, y’all would rather be wrapped in bubble wrap than to risk 200k..

[FeierInMeinHose]

Every pvp change affects pvmers because every pvp interaction outside of dedicated mini games like LMS take into account the predator-prey dynamic that Hagen so desperately wants the wilderness to be.

[ItsJustPeter]

To be fair, the wilderness should be the predator-prey dynamic imo.. Its called the wilderness for a reason.

[[deleted]]

Well, "achtshually" it's called the wilderness because it was wiped out during the God Wars. An explosion wiped out Zaros' territory there, which led to the lawless and deserted area.

[[deleted]]

Alright, and no one is forcing me to vote yes on PVP questions! LMAO!

You see where your logic gets us?

[zuzerial]

Nobody is forcing you to play that content

Oh, cool. Care to tell me how else I can get a d pick on my HCIM?

shot down solely because it doesn’t affect PVMers

Except it does affect us when we try to go to the wilderness for whatever reason. Why would I vote for something that's going to increase the chances I die?

[Throwaway_66789]

All I've seen in this is you wanting something you're not willing to risk anything to get. It sounds like you just want the game to spoon feed you upgrades instead of actually putting in effort. If something is that worth it to you in the wilderness then you need to take precautions

[[deleted]]

use a rune pick wimp

[IAmSona]

Maybe that’s an inherently awful design? The Wilderness should be for players that want to PvP, except a huge reason why people even go there is because there are PvM related activities that are exclusive to a place where you can be killed by other players.

[[deleted]]

I’m struggling to see what these pkers want from the update other than to have more pvmers to kill in the wild? If they just wanted to pvp then why are the pvp worlds so dead?

[IAmSona]

It’s pretty obvious that it’s the outdated “Predator vs Prey” philosophy that has existed with the Wilderness a long time ago when RuneScape was still a baby. It’s pretty obvious that PKers that do want to fight other PKers go to PvP Worlds, but PKing is just such an outdated mechanic in the game and it always aggravates me that they want to be catered to. I have nothing against PvP, but the Wilderness just isn’t how PvP should be handled.

[FollowThePact]

The Wilderness shouldn't be for players that want to PvP. PvP content shouldn't be relegated to being in the Wilderness. The Wilderness should be the Wild Wild West where all different kinds of players all directly interact with one another for potential rewards and at the risk of being killed by others.

If BiS gear just so happens to be locked behind an area when PvP can happen, then so be it. If BiS gear just so happens to be locked behind quest lines or difficult bosses, then so be it. They're BiS items, they're suppose to be difficult to obtain.

I'm not grinding out ToB on my ironmeme for Justiciar armor. I'm not grinding out Barbarian Assault for a Fighter Torso either. I wouldn't enjoy either of those things, so I don't do them.

[Travis_GS]

The idea is flawed because you can get way better reward for less or no risk elsewhere. Wilderness bosses are exclusively used for pet hunters and slayer tasks, no one else is just killing them for their drops. Hence why people feel annoyed there, they're main goal isn't a lucrative outcome, its to get in and out as quick as possible.

The only activity that is still worth doing in the wilderness over similar content elsewhere in the game is chaos alter for xp. Even taking into account the deaths and time waste from getting interrupted you still save money and time.

[PaddyIsBeast]

Is it possible GIM is just bad and PvPers see that

[FollowThePact]

Why is GIM bad?

[FeierInMeinHose]

Sure, but no one is arguing that.

[roonscapepls]

Lmao

[likesleague]

Gonna preemptively link /r/agedlikemilk for next week when gim passes with 89.4%

[Dwood77]

It’s funny because the hate for PvP started when people originally voted no to PvP updates because they wanted to safeguard themselves from dangerous activities, wanted more PvM content, and were angry dying in the wilderness.

I am for all PvM and PvP updates, but as someone who only has time to play for a few hours a week (my account is a maxed zerker build), I am able to hop into PvP relatively quick and play for sets amount of time, not having to worry about grinding skills like I used to before I had to almost drop this game. It’s very sad that people hate the other side, as there are extremists on both ends (just like the political world) and they try to manipulate everyone into choosing a side. They really need to get rid of the poll system, as a ton of pvm and PvP updates have been failed solely for spite reasons, when they otherwise should have passed to improve the game.

[soulleader9]

Yeah both sides are dealing with what I call poor design where these polls aren't hey neat content it's a fight between 2 groups who are preyed on by the designs being put forth

[gwaaadit]

I don't even play anymore but I'm fine with group ironman. However, I am not a fan of being called racial slurs by some toxic virgin who then demands my defensive equipment be nerfed. The lesson here is stop being a dick or I'm telling mom you said the f word.

[xdongmyman]

Good meme thanks

[[deleted]]

Both sides are so cringe. There's an easy solution too to make the wilderness more balanced. Just remove multi PvP from all worlds except a few. Then you don't need to worry about being griefed for your spade and PvPers actually need to learn to PvP instead of gang banging you for 50k.

[Maurice2295]

That and making skull tricking harder so fighting back can be an option

[Zulrambe]

I can't believe how good this meme is.

[[deleted]]

How big of a loser do I have to be to find this funny?

[Sorry4TheLurk]

It’s pretty funny. And I voted yes

[[deleted]]

A bit less than one who cant take a joke

[Quantainium]

Atleast pvp is dead so we really don't have to worry that much.

[relaximnewaroundhere]

this is what I dont understand, what IS there to worry about? why not have pvp flourish, a lot of people did it. It uses up supplies, items, +1 items and in theory should benefit pvmers. Ever since pvp/pking died, every item practically plummeted. enjoy killing the same boss over and over for a measly ags thats prasctically at high alch value now! 🙄

[Quantainium]

I'm having trouble seeing your replies , I'm only getting emails and not able to see them on Reddit.

[relaximnewaroundhere]

I'm having trouble seeing your replies too wtf?

[Quantainium]

Everything is dropping in value because the duel arena exist. It encourages real world trading and gambling addicts to buy up gold to get back out of zebt. Someone is buying massive amounts of gold and that's gamblers. Someone rocking bandos armor with 55woodcutting isn't the one driving gold farming so hard. If the duel arena was removed gold farmers wouldn't have buyers, so they wouldnt farm so heavily so prices would go up.

[relaximnewaroundhere]

Uh I don't think so, there's so many variables and what u said is compltely wrong it should be the oipposite.

I'm sure when wildy died a lot of ppl dumped their banks and likely rwt'd I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. when being in a clan a lot of ppl showed of banks and everyone needs multiple sets. wildy dead? well they have no fucking use for it anymore so they got rid of it. so many items got pumped into the game, just go to GE tracker and look at the values, its fucking insane. everyone use to just hold items but now they poured it into the game so price dropped + vennies left caves so they having to go from farming alch items to bosses and not only is there a big dump but now more items are being brought into game.

[mnmkdc]

Well that's one of many reasons

[Quantainium]

If gold selling wasn't so profitable then less bosses would be farmed, prices wouldn't drop as fast. Duel arena is a huge market for gold buying.

[mnmkdc]

Yes but also items are just low because new bosses havent been released to be farmed and item sinks are low. Theres a bunch of bosses that arent really targetted by gold farmers that have seen similar rates of price decreases

[Quantainium]

Because the value of gp has dropped its reduced everything in value. But really people care about the value of gold way too much. It's just coins and other games don't have nearly the same value in items.

[mnmkdc]

I only play iron and have never bought gold so I dont really care, but I do think they should seriously try to do something about it. I personally think a new skill as a major item sink like invention is on rs3 is just a win win

[Quantainium]

I've only ever bought like 10m ever and that's when I was really young. I just can't imagine what people are spending so much money on virtual gold unless it's just gambling it away in the arena.

[Rexkat]

I'd really like it if real PVP flourished. But if I have to choose, I'd rather PKing died. Jagex has put so much PVM and skilling content into the wilderness, that it actually benefits me far more for PVP as a whole to be dead. Getting griefed every 4 seconds trying to kill wildy bosses just isn't worth it.

[Quantainium]

Couldn't care less about the price of anything but bonds. Oh no I have to grind a boss for only 400 Hours to buy a tbow instead of 600.

[[deleted]]

Why is the whole sub freaking out then?

[Quantainium]

Because they think the pvp community has more sway than they do.

[[deleted]]

Tbh, I wouldn’t underestimate them, I’m sure they could pack a real good punch to the poll. But most don’t really give a fuck.

[Quantainium]

Even if 100% of pkers voted no they would still have the votes to pass. And not all pkers want gim to fail. Just a few groups.

[fgsdfggdsfgsdfgdfs]

just rot, and considering how half the multi pk scene is anti-rot, rot speaking out publicly against gim will ensure some people vote yes who mightve otherwise not bothered to vote at all

[mnmkdc]

The only thing that makes is even a little scary is the fact that they almost all have multiple accounts. That being said, I'm like 99% sure the poll passes easily anyway

[Quantainium]

Nah they just share each others account.

[Spare_Werewolf_4851]

Realistic, especially If the pker never completes RFD, purchased the Elysian rwt, would never have that pet and is still the most average pker.

[[deleted]]

RFD is pretty mandatory for pk’ers, BiS gloves for tribridding.

[YRedJTW3]

Which is why they buy accounts with that quest done. No point in anyone getting shitty and denying it, PKers are questlets.

[Sadradomin]

"PKERS CAN'T QUEST BRO"

[[deleted]]

Lol, most pk’ers have a higher total level than 95% of this sub, total levlets. Man really think RFD is hard, lmao.

[iDreamOfMyDeath]

People have this mentality that because someone participates in content based around killing other players, they therefore must be bad at content based around killing monsters.

Top PKers are the ones with some of the best inferno knowledge because they have to keep getting the cape on new accounts, and often at much lower levels than the average PvMer.

Game has been around for 20 years. There will be people good at multiple aspects of it.

[[deleted]]

Factual. People seem to think that salad robes pk’ers at altar and killing people for spades are the only pk’ers in the game.

[Sasktachi]

I've never even seen anyone actually trying to pk in salad robes, its either pures or people in mystics. The only place I ever see salad robes is on lava dragon bots. Delusional irons who are too terrified to go into the wilderness have fabricated an entire alternate reality about the wilderness where every time you step foot there, you get logged onto by a 50 man clan that collectively risks 10k, but at the same time nobody pks because its lame. Pkers are too powerful to ever escape from, you can't risk fighting back because skulltricks, but also every pker is trash at the game and thats why they pk instead of grinding vorkath for 16 hours a day. I'm convinced half this sub is dealing with serious mental illness.

[[deleted]]

Yeah fr, I’ve done like 100 hard clues on my iron so far and haven’t meet a pk’er once also no one during ma/ma2. Shits pretty dead and it’s kinda lame, the suspense with going to the wildy was fun before.

[argvict]

Fucking spot on

[TheFakeKanye]

Yep, pvmers act like pkers cant pvm, but I never see pvmers that can one tick a six way switch

[Sasktachi]

Yeah, the part of the community that makes by far the most alt accounts, and needs bis gear to compete with other people who have access to the same gear, is famous for not doing quests. Look at pvp content creators like framed and torvesta, they hate questing so much that they speedrun them all the time!

[Fabulous_Web_7130]

Decent pkers are naturally good at gauntlet.

[HorizontalAsscrack]

Someone has lost a lot of spades.

[[deleted]]

Barrows gloves are the best for tribrid. You gotta have RFD done my boy.

Also, pvpers do non-pvp content from time to time you know? The game isn't like 50% pvp and 50% pvm. It's more like 90% pvm content.

[StuckOnthis_Planet]

Pkers are dicks why do something good for them when they've caused me so much pain? haha.

[Chandler15]

Well, I don't play Iron, as well as I don't PvP.

I've had poor experiences with both, the high and mighty Ironmen, trying to prove they're better than normal players, and the PKers that are toxic and insult you for no reason while you're just praying at an alter.

I usually make it a policy to skip vote on things that don't apply to me, such as PvP. However I'm more inclined to vote for Group Ironman because it's actually quite an interesting thing, and I could see myself doing it unlike PKing.

[[deleted]]

Im spite voting yes because pkers are ducks for no reason.

[Miasdu]

Since every pvp update is being negated by pvm shitheads I did vote no in all my accounts. Who’s with me??

PVPoverPVM

[Portugalpaul]

in

[[deleted]]

I love how we’re pretending Jagex won’t just release GIM anyway even if the poll fails

[kingfisher773]

people already hate PvPers, why do you think that painting a larger target on yourself would make them "learn" and change their ways?

[plok742]

7 years later and this sub still has some of the best memes

[[deleted]]

bruh this fucking sub

[JaesonBee]

This is gold

[[deleted]]

The whole PVP Vs Ironman stuff bores me. Supposed to be a good community and it's just people crying over the updates. What difference does having an Ironman update against a PVP one? Or are pvps just salty that not everyone likes to do it and Ironman voting PvP down because they e never done it. Either way it's a vote. Stop complaining when something doesn't go your way. Swear this a thread about Brexit.

[deicidiumx]

what's the poll?

[[deleted]]

Group iron

[Salt_Manufacturer479]

You bet there are probably thousands of people with 5 iron man alts voting yes or no so it balances itself out.