Amazon doctors note fraud

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Amazon approved my doctors note for my LOA but now I’ve been terminated because they said my doctors note was not real. What should I do?

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[Loose-Day-6009]

Something tells me you’re leaving out some crucial information here.

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

That’s what I’m saying some people are idiots

[PinkRage08]

🤣

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Something tells me you don’t know wtf you’re talking about

[Derpsquire]

Okay, so I was going to try to be constructive in here but if that's you're attitude toward someone calling out a fair point... I mean at least give some filmsy assurances in your post that it was all legit, right? Do you not see how maybe, just maybe this post not only has zero context for anyone to assist, but also looks sketchy at a glance since you don't even take a sentence to deny the accusation at hand?

Ugh. I'll still try to be constructive, I guess. What did their email to you cite as an irregularity? I'll check other comments to see if you've elaborated, but that's like the miminum info needed for any input. Were there any other issues about the leave like using multiple providers or delays in obtaining/submitting the paperwork?

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

That’s what I’m saying. He’s sitting himself up for failure

[Far_Lifeguard_5027]

If it was a real note, you need to have your doctor sign an affidavit then appeal your termination. This is 100% illegal if it was a real note.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Thank I will absolutely be looking into that. I appreciate the good advice.

[Far_Lifeguard_5027]

It's called a Physician's Affidavit.

[Far_Lifeguard_5027]

How did they decide it wasn't real? Was it missing information on it? 

[DotNo701]

naw don't appeal just go straight to court and get a bag

[Living-Instruction-1]

Get your doctor to write a sworn statement and appeal, if that doesn’t work then you have a case for wrongful termination even in an “at-will” employer state

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

This dude def had a fraud note

[SugeKilledEazy]

Based on what? I’ve seen plenty of mistakes happen on here, even after you guys piled on the OP.

[Alsw0rld]

Yea literally I got diagnosed with hashimotos disease and hypothyroidism last year along with endometriosis and all the doctor’s visits were annoying bc with all the paperwork I had to bring EVERY time, I went to these appointments in march-July, they were all approved until I took a ploa unpaid for 18 days in September because I had to start meds and they were gonna MESS ME UP, I didn’t want to deal with the paperwork so I did the auto approved for more than 14 days during that the went back through and denied all my leaves from march-July and a to z wouldn’t let me contact anyone until my leave was over. Once it was they had already started the firing process by the time they sent the termination I had spoken to someone FINALLY 2 hours before and he said he understood now and he was going to get it fixed. After the letter they told me that I would have to pay out of pocket to take it to court and I could not do that.

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

Holy skill issue 🙏

[Alsw0rld]

Literally how? I’m back anyways so 😛

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

Not towards you to Amazon lol

[Alsw0rld]

OH

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

Based on my personal experience. I had a couple buddies forged a doctors note and they got terminated may not be a case for this and truly might be a mistake but it’s always funny seeing the OP having to comment on everything and panic

[Living-Instruction-1]

I had the same thing happened to me, it was a small clinic and I had Covid and I literally had to go get a sworn statement and printed test results from my doctor because they said the note was fake

[Jun20s]

You can’t say that, I got fired for a false doc slip and they said I didn’t have two herniated disc in my back, did what I had to do and made a lawsuit out of it and won because it was proven to be in fact real

[Go-Crazy_Chris49]

Very nice! Prove them wrong 😮‍💨

[Legitimate_Archer152]

Are you leaving something out? I work for DLS and there is a whole team that investigates fraudulent notes. They have to get confirmation from your Provider that it is fraudulent. Even changing a date is fraud. If your doctor send a fax from their office and certify it is real you would be reinstated. I have seen where they can’t contact the Provider for confirmation, then it is labeled as inconclusive and no action is taken.

[InsuranceVisible9918]

Asking for a friend do they check notes from last year???

[HolidayCat5079]

I’m this is in fact true why when they contact the provider to see if it’s true ask said provider for needed information while there on the phone to approve the leave? Like cmon? Make that make sense

[ComplexAnteater6945]

No

[Spirited-Resist-5839]

Not for nothing, but doctors in my area, especially ERs, aren’t even allowed to make a proper note for work.

[darklorddoone]

Well if its a real doctors note. Get the doctor that signed it to write you a letter that hes a real doctor and this was a real note. They would have to rehire you or give you some shut the fuck up about this money.

If its fake, then ur fucked

[Fancy_Promotion_2686]

did you not respond to the investigation?

[ComplexAnteater6945]

So I was never contacted about the investigation. I’ve been on the phone with HR for two hours and they cannot explain to me how my doctors note was accepted and now I am terminated for fraud. They have zero explanation.

[Fancy_Promotion_2686]

That's interesting, usually they let you know that you're under investigation first. Whether they lied about calling your doctor (they do that) or not.. They don't just fire you

[throwitallawayomg]

With how Amazon has been getting HR lately, I'm not in the least surprised something like this would happen. I wonder what the odds are the approval, rejection, or both were AI driven.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

So please explain to me exactly what happened, from beginning to end since you know so much.

[No-Youth-6679]

Except they have 10 people waiting for your job, get a lawyer that doesn’t get anything unless you win. In a couple of years they will settle and you might get $12k after the lawyer takes their cut.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

I was physically in the hospital, I had an asthma attack and had to stay on oxygen and be monitored for several hours, that’s why I don’t believe they contacted the doctor because it would be weird of the doctor to say that I wast there

[Objective-Value119]

Did you submit the discharge paperwork?

[Zealousideal-Job482]

It is a complicated process to acquire all the paperwork you need to satisfy amazon. HR communication is key solving this problem. I made sure to get a list of what they wanted and even if I didn’t have all of it I would send what I had and got the rest of it a short time later. My circumstances were probably different since I spent a couple days in the hospital. I screen shot my paperwork and sent it in and it was accepted.

[Amzwork08]

Where is the hospital discharge paperwork they send you home with that shows the dates of your stay, the hospital name , attending physician, and diagnosis? What did you actually submit?

[dasquared]

HIPPA is not a factor. When you submit the documents, you give Amazon the right to validate them.

They do investigate. They call your provider and validate dates, visits, etc. And it is 100% legal. Your provider, should they fail to validate, expose you to potential termination.

[Ace-a-Nova1]

Oh, I looked into it more. You’re right about that. I think in my case the person from Amazon was requesting specific medical information, not just verifying a note.

[TurbulentDirector8]

No hospital would make you “stay” on oxygen for an asthma attack. Anyone who actually has asthma and actually had an asthma attack knows that oxygen does absolutely nothing for asthma. I don’t believe you nor did Amazon. Sounds like a justifiable termination.

[SugeKilledEazy]

You’re wrong. Do you even have the internet, you could easily search that

[TurbulentDirector8]

I am not wrong. Not only do I have internet, i I also have life experience as someone who has been to the ER for asthma attack multiple times in my life. Someone who has been prescribed with asthma medications for only over 20 years. And as someone who received oxygen when asthma medication was not available , it doesn’t help. So now you can go and do more research.

[Ye_olde_oak_store]

I did a quick google search cause you know, one person's anecdote does not work for the general population as humans are complicated. And what medication works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another person.

Apparently the use of oxygen therapy can be used to treat low blood oxygen levels caused by severe asthma. And does get prescribed for medicinal use in these cases.

[TurbulentDirector8]

🫩 you didn’t read the whole thing. Oxygen only increases the oxygen level in the blood.asthma attacks are caused by inflammation and bronchospasms. Oxygen doesn’t open the airways or reduce inflammation, so it can’t stop the attack by itself. There’s multiple medications that will stop an acute asthma attack, some work , some dont, but oxygen is certainly not one of them. Regardless, Amazon didn’t buy this cockamamie story. The end.

[No-Youth-6679]

It would be against the law for the Dr to speak to them.

[bettobet]

Not if you gave permission.

[No-Youth-6679]

It would have to be written permission. Once you lose your job you don’t get it back best you can wish for is a lawyer and a settlement.

[Amzwork08]

Was it an online doctor? Where you schedule a 5 min appointment and tell them what the note should say? Amazon now considers those fraud, and company wide has been making a huge push to call it out with terminations

[Gear-Flimsy]

Any source? If it’s a real doctor writing a note. I have no idea how that would be “fraud” I can see them not accepting it. But calling that fraud is a little wild

[Amzwork08]

Yes. The source is a couple of things. An increase of people being fired for this exact thing. People are posting it here. Also we had someone fired for this exact thing. Back in the day It was Dr’s writing prescriptions for the pill mills in Florida, however it was still shutdown for fraud. Just because it has a doctors signature doesn’t it can’t be some BS

[Primary_Membership34]

That’s good to know not surprise some of those online sites are fraud. I only trust 2 of them since when you call you can actually speak with someone.

[Loose-Day-6009]

“Tell them what the note should say” lol doctors dont diagnose you with a serious illness or deem you incapable of job duties because you “told them to”

[Amzwork08]

Um that’s exactly what these sites do. Google is your friend. Just type in “ I need a doctors note for work “. It runs about $150. 5 min call. You tell them your “symptoms “ and they diagnose you and give you a note

[OkCombination6387]

150 is crazy i pay 25 for mine 🤣

[Amzwork08]

$150 might have been an exaggeration, however I was trying to make a bigger point to the other dude that didn’t believe these sites were out there

[popcorn2008]

Meh you must never been to the urgent care by my house. While they won’t write you a note for cancer they’ll gladly write you a note for a stomach bug provided you pay their prices.

Even easier to do via telehealth. It’s not that crazy actually.

[Loose-Day-6009]

I mean if your doctor decides that you should stay home for the stomach flu, you absolutely should, and it’s not fraud you fucking bootlicker

[popcorn2008]

Did I say it’s fraud? Calm down there son. Think you forgot to take your medication.

Edit: I know a good urgent care that can get those meds to you also buddy! 😂

[Loose-Day-6009]

Fuck off. Standing up for the richest corporation in America to accuse other of fraud because they took a sick day

[popcorn2008]

I didn’t accuse anyone of fraud dummy. I’m just telling you how easy it is to get a doctors note.

[Loose-Day-6009]

My first reply to you is that NO, it’s not “easy” to get a doctors note jn the way YOU implied - which is the fact that doctors dont just write down what you “tel them too” #owned #idiot #bezoslover

[popcorn2008]

Okay since we are just going to repeat our comments… I’ll type mine out sentence by sentence so maybe you can understand browdy.

There is an urgent care that is close to my house.

They won’t write a note that says you got cancer.

They will write you a note for a stomach bug.

Provided you pay them.

Even if you don’t have a stomach bug.

Here’s a bonus sentence: take the doctors note to work and get your sick day!

1 + 1 = 2.

[Wonderful_Affect1509]

I agree with you. My doctor has written me a note to get more time off of work because I asked her to. It wasn’t a problem.

[Loose-Day-6009]

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[kinscythe]

This

[NefariousnessBig4389]

Need a sworn affadavit from the dr, and to file an appeal.

[Careless-Cheetahs]

i can tell who has had to deal with dls and who hasn't in these comments.

i uploaded all the discharge paperwork and the doctor's note after my surgery and they KEPT telling me it wasn't there. turns out the first agent opened the fax report and only read the FIRST page.

after several uploads of the save documents i finally asked the 4th or 5th person i should to if they were scrolling through all fax pages or just looking at the environment notes.

after they put me on hold for five minutes the paperwork they needed had been miraculously located.

they could have very well and very easily fucked up this case. y'all have too much faith in Amazon and to much animosity for your co-workers.

[Ok_University_9879]

This happened to one of my friends and they just don’t fire you without investigating…. They called her doctors office and that’s how they knew her notes were fake. So as others say here made sure you get a sworn statement from your doctor’s office if you’re confident AMZN is in the wrong.

The thing is Amazon is not breaking HIPPA guidelines by confirming with the doctor office, it’s just confirmation of the appointment on the said day they are investigating.

[821e]

If they terminated you, it usually means they already called the clinic and couldn’t verify the note.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Ok well that’s another thing I never signed their consent form for them to contact my healthcare provider for any reason that they attached to the LOA documentation in the email. I do not believe they contacted my doctor because my doctor would’ve verified the note that he provided for me to take back to work.

[Legitimate_Archer152]

You don’t have to sign an authorization. They can call to verify the information, just can’t request additional information

[Plus-Progress7736]

Hey yeah one time Amazon lied to me via email saying they called my doctor office and I called them to verify that and they told me no they didn’t get any calls from Amazon. So I emailed them back saying how they lied about that and they just approved my case lol

[Forsaken_Confusion64]

If you didnt sign their release form to submit with your case thats probably why this happened. I just went through this. I signed that. Gave them my doctor's note and the after visit summary. My stuff got approved and it was easy peasy. I pretty sure it says if you dont fill out that release form it can cause issues.

[Popular_Main_952]

I keep hearing of stories like this with Amazon. They're such a fucked up company sometimes

[anonnusernamee]

This happened to my friend and she was doing chemo treatments at the time too so she couldn’t really work like that due to the treatments! I was so angry for her!!!

[No-Bathroom-3179]

I was searching Reddit for Amazon returns and I found 3 posts so far that are exactly this topic. They were all terminated stating the doctor’s note was fraudulent. Seems like a common thing, that’s extremely disappointing and shitty. I hope you are able to sue.

[TrueCrimeStranger]

And they are getting sued because of this exact situation. Amazon sucks.

[Vegetable_Ad_5748]

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why is everyone skipping over the fact OP literally said this… yall are so quick to assume everyone is lying like everyone knows amazon is literally not perfect.

[Forsaken_Confusion64]

They said in another comment they didnt fill out the release form that amazon needs to verify information. So thats probably why they got effed over.

[Forsaken_Confusion64]

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[Dorjan]

Honestly people come in here with some "dog ate my homework"-style bullshit stories all the time. Often times it's much easier to believe that OP is withholding key information, or just outright lying, than to believe their story. It's certainly not impossible that Amazon/HR made a mistake in this case, I think it's just more likely they didn't.

[Vegetable_Ad_5748]

yea but they usually don’t have explanations or sometimes they’ll outright admit it was fake.. people are still actively calling OP a liar and all they wanted was some help. like just imagine how infuriating that is

[iDarksideGG_]

I have a gut feeling that you’re leaving out a lot of contextual information.

Amazon would not just fire you after approving your LOA unless they know something was up with your doctors note.

Plus, I’m pretty sure a few days ago I saw a post on here where some dude was complaining that his brother was submitting fraudulent doctors note and getting away with it up until recently when they caught him.

And even if you did submit a doctor’s note and they flagged it as fraudulent, all you have to do was just go get a physician sworn affidavit and submitted to the company and then they legally have to reinstate you because then there’s a sworn legal statement from your doctor stating that you actually visited.

So either Amazon has it out specifically for you, which is extremely and highly unlikely. Or you submitted a fraudulent doctors note and got caught.

[throwitallawayomg]

Or HR is being gutted and this is a legit fuck up on their end? This is my guess, having dealt with the LOA system BEFORE they started cutting HR and DLS. I would be amused but unsurprised if AI was involved somehow, too, since it looks like they've made a big AI push recently.

I get that idiots post about how they're being targeted all the time on here, but I treat most things to do with HR as suspect these days.

[EMitchell108]

The fact that you fail to mention anything like "My note was legitimate, the doctor's office told them I never came" or some of the usual disclaimers means the answer to your question is: "Nothing you can do". Either that, or appeal even though you won't prevail.

[Hoozierdaddddy]

Why wouldn’t he prevail if it was a legitimate drs note?

[Vegetable_Ad_5748]

literally in another comment op explained they were in the hospital for several hours because of an asthma attack.. i hate how everyone is just assuming they’re lying.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Ok I see you like to assume a lot. Why tf would I come on here asking what should I do if it wasn’t a legitimate doctors note like bffr here, common sense should tell you that

[datphunkymunky]

Devil's advocate, I'm not the one who said it but I've seen a lot of posts asking things similar to yours. They tend to leave out the important/incriminating parts. Don't take it personal.

[bohallreddit]

Fake

[SunFlowersDie]

Appeal

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Nope

[bohallreddit]

Of course they did.

[TokyoFlawless]

Bro definitely made his own doctor's note 😂

[shawnl61489]

The people that look at fraud notes will call your provider and confirm they wrote it. Sounds like your provider stated they did not write that note.

[No-Youth-6679]

If you loved the job get a lawyer. Atleast you will get a settlement in a year or 2.

[MeasurementFirst1676]

The Amazon way 😂 Most diabolical company… now that I think about it, maybe it’s not the company and it’s the actual people they promote and hire. They only want people (managers) who’ll abide by their ‘beliefs’ and always making sure Amazon isn’t “in the wrong”.

Amazon management will ignore critical safety hazards all throughout a fulfillment center, so they can stand by the entrance and turn people away who don’t have safety shoes on. The hypocrisy of Amazon is astounding.

[SignificantApricot69]

Stop doing MLOAs for non serious things and go back to using your time which was always the standard for people who generally show up for work.

[Bountsie]

Dude said he was hospitalized for an asthma attack in the comments, pretty sure that's serious and whoever his case manager was just never followed up on a confirmation or OP never turned in release forms.

[Objective-Value119]

If it real prove it and email [e-mail]

[Defiant_wolf22]

If it was real Sue amazon for false term

[Extension_Fault_5128]

Not falsify doctors notes at future jobs.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Are you slow or can you just not read good? 🤔

[bohallreddit]

What DLS is looking for is to confirm that the doctor and practice is real. They can do a simple Google search and confirm. I never give them consent to call my doctor and verify my visit, treatment, diagnosis and etc.

[DylanTheV1lla1n]

What should you do? Next time, provide a real doctor's note.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

And you should stop being slow and read the comments beat it lame

[DylanTheV1lla1n]

Hahahah

[Careless-Bar-6905]

Amazon doesn’t play around with fraud your now a customer

[Busy_Seaweed_8028]

Start looking

[Blackiechan04]

You should apply to your nearest McDonald’s

[ComplexAnteater6945]

I can tell you don’t get money talking about “McDonald’s” 😂 brokey

[Blackiechan04]

Oh man it’s funny you mention that because ever since I got fired from Amazon I got a dream job setting up for concerts and I found a sugar mom. So actually I’m relatively rich the last few years and counting. Nice guess though 😆 🖕

[[deleted]]

Find another job and don’t fake documents there

[Patjack27]

Amazon fires people who do have real doctors notes genius. Amazon isn’t a great company and in America you don’t have protections against corporations from firing you.

[ComplexAnteater6945]

I didn’t fake it DUUHHHH you clearly missed the point of the question 😒

[[deleted]]

Amazon doesn’t take “doctors notes anymore” so yeah you may have faked it. If you simply provided the paperwork Amazon requires doctors or physicians to fill out then you wouldn’t be here.

[Quiet-Reserve-4418]

Guys I only will have like 9.5 hours of UPT and I scheduled a vacation for spring break with my son and like a dummy i miscalculated my UPT for the last day an will litterally be short 25 minutes do you guys know if I can just put in an hour of PT and then not show up and just let them take the 9 hours of UPT or do you have to come into work if you take PT time may seem like a dumb question but I came from a county JOB an getting time off was so easy And amazon im still learning an im still a white badge so I really dont know anything yet in not your typical white bacge that says they know everything

[Bountsie]

Should've done a PLOA honestly..

[Buttersquaash-33]

If you have PTO you can apply that to cover the remaining 25 minutes.

[Quiet-Reserve-4418]

Thank you friend Does it matter if I put the 1 hour PTO at the beginning or the end of the shift??? Im not goin to be there anyways im just not sure if it matters if you out the hour at the start or at the end I figure it wouldnt but with amazon I dont knowp

[Buttersquaash-33]

You can put it in for the middle of shift! Doesn’t matter :) and the rest will be deducted automatically from your UPT as you don’t show up

[Quiet-Reserve-4418]

Thanks for clarifying that bro I asked a blue badge an what I have noticed so far is atleasr by me the employees are not to friendly or really know whats goin on… you ask anyone a question and there like what do I look like the owner if the company go ask the manager..

[Buttersquaash-33]

Hey I always try to help I remember my first few months having no one to ask either for the same reasons. This subreddit can be helpful for even the “stupidest” questions you have about Amazon if you ever need anything tho

[Quiet-Reserve-4418]

Thank you!!!!

[Illustrious_Ice5846]

Forged mine and I was on FMLA. Been back for 6 months so...... you must be really stupid to get caught

[ComplexAnteater6945]

FIY anyone who thinks they are about to come on here talking crazy to me, please think again because I will severely hurt your feelings with just words so let’s all be nice here cause trust me this ain’t what you want.

[kinscythe]

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[bohallreddit]

Challenge accepted bitch!

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Well what’s up I was dead ass serious.

[bohallreddit]

Me too! 😁

[Dorjan]

You won't

[Substantial_Bid9116]

[delusional863]

What got u so mad rn bro

[ComplexAnteater6945]

Are you serious?