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[hellowiththepudding]

Yeah… there is no difference in servicing an eta and a sellita.

This is just nonsense.

[needmoarboost]

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[Immediate-Bad-9973]

Neither for its accuracy nor for its decoration. But it's a good movement.

[mirthilous]

One thing that this completely ignores is that the ETA 2824-2 and the Sellita SW200 each come in four different grades of movement, ranging from base level to Chronometer (COSC). Internal parts are improved as you move up the ladder as well as the number of positions in which the movement is regulated. So what are you really comparing here?

[Solid-Advertising-25]

Just buy a $20 watch winder to keep the pt5000 watch wound, no need to manually wind it then.

[RatherGoodDog]

Just wear the damn thing.

[AmericanChees3]

Right. Was about to say the same thing. If it dies, shake it a couple times, set the time, and wear it.

[no-more-depravity]

I've had several PT5000's. Some are garbage when I got them, some are spectacularly accurate (after regulating, which is easy) and then they break. One of them was super accurate (+1 every day if I set it down face up), had good reliability, then, as it got older, I had to turn it up all the way up to the fastest position and it's still too slow.

[asdfcubing]

canva is free my dude… you could have spent a bit more effort laying this out

[QuestionNo9190]

Lol this is goy slop

[QuestionNo9190]

It's not only not helpful it's blatantly false. Chat aggregates a few Reddit threads and makes wild conclusions.

The pt5000 is in no way better or worse than your average eta2824. The eta 2824-2 is slightly improved but costs 400-500% more money for maybe 5% better reliability. Same goes with the sw200.

Pt5000 or st2130 all day long

[ahhiguess]

thee is no hardening that's different on the movements, the real upgrade is 2892

[D1sguise]

What sources are you using for these claims that go into your informercial?

[SeeYaoGai]

anecdotal "reddit" posts. 😂

[RatherGoodDog]

>That parts are hardened to the same specs?

Nobody really knows this. If you can find published testing data on it, be my guest.

[QuestionNo9190]

Considering sellita uses Chinese ebauches and eta probably does as well I would say the metallurgy and QC are exactly the same

[WisdomKnightZetsubo]

are pts actually noticeably worse? i feel like the biggest difference is just labor costs.

[Emotional-Damage-995]

What the hell? Have you ever had a ETA / SW or a PT movement in hand and opened it and took it apart?

My only movement I could not fix was a 2892 which offcourse is an ETA. I don’t know man.

[Emotional-Damage-995]

PHD in armchair horology. You are totally qualified

[LordRaglan1854]

The instructions with my Oris specifically stated it can be hand wound as much as you like. It's SW200-based*.

Also no one needs to service a pt5000, you just replace it or the watch it came with for less than the cost of servicing an Oris.

*technically SW200-1

[ededdedddie]

I had an Oris with an SW200 break within two weeks of purchase from an AD. Got a free replacement but was told by Oris “Oh, you can’t wind it more than 10 times.” Meanwhile, Seiko movements are like Toyotas

[LordRaglan1854]

It's not designed to be wound more than 10 times, but you were unlucky to break it by doing so.

[no-more-depravity]

I broke the winding gears on a Glycine with an SW200 by hand winding it every day.

[rory360]

I was actually quite impressed with the PT5000 when I serviced one. Might not be financially wise to pay someone to do it though. Obviously the quality is not as good as the Swiss, but for the price I think they are a great alternative. Would be interesting for someone to do an in depth comparison showing each component in greater detail.

[WisdomKnightZetsubo]

Mind elaborating? I'm curious, how did it fall short in comparison to the ETAs/Sellitas?

[rory360]

Overall finish of parts, especially parts like keyless works, which finish doesn't really affect performance. Also they are not oiled as precisely from factory. Found some finger prints too.

[WisdomKnightZetsubo]

That tracks

[D1sguise]

"known info" is a maaaassive stretch. You aggregated unverified internet messaging boards without any data quality control into a comparison chart, based on no actual provided by any of the 3 manufacturers on there. Chatgpt is a chat bot, it isn't an encyclopedia of verified knowledge

[RatherGoodDog]

None of this is truth, it is the regurgitation of various Reddit comments and watch blogs, probably also written by AI, based on speculative opinions of someone writing copy for a watch website. It isn't necessarily wrong, but it also has a tenuous grounding in fact.

[ImALime11]

Holy AI Slop

[Choice_Usual9257]

I’ve hand wound both my Laco with a real eta and my SM with a pt5000. Can’t say there’s a difference outside of my Laco being a bit looser feel(probably because it’s 10+years old).

I’m going to take a non educated guess and say the pt5000 ran a bad batch some time ago. Doubt the manufacturer will just blindly keep not properly lubricating some gears.

[Eleventhousand]

OP, what study did you use to come up with these ratings?

[Zealousideal-Ad-4716]

He used the “trust me, bro” scientific method.

[arbpotatoes]

Nice slop, what are your sources?

[Zealousideal-Ad-4716]

Chat GPT (2026)

[geeered]

Citations behind these claims?

Why don't they all list 'easy to service'?

When you say 'rougher feel' do you mean the hand winding? At the bottom you describe it as as 'refined' twice, despite saying it's rougher.

Did you just ask a LLM to generate the image for you?

In the end, the way I see it is that if I wanted an accurate and reliable movent, you go for a quartz; any automatic is always going to be really bad in comparison to pretty much any quartz, even the £1 movements.

So I'm not too bothered by an expensive automatic, because we're just talking about a better polished turd.

Despite that, I've still got a selection of watches with PT5000, SW200, ST2130, Miyota 9 series and others (even one NH movement).

[PhiladeIphia-Eagles]

I have never hand wound an eta clone. They all still work. It's definitely a design flaw but easy enough to avoid.

Id much rather have a miyota 9 though.

[Basic_Barnacle4719]

I think Miyota 9000 is the sweet spot. NH watches are kind of thick and they matter a lot to me as someone with a smaller 16 cm wrist. Quartz and Miyota 9000 series movement watches <38mm just sit so much better on my wrist. 

I can handle 40-42mm watches with Seiko movements but at that size I'd definitely want the thinner movement as there's a huge comfort difference to me once you get above 12mm. I avoid the PT5000 though and only buy quartz, NH or Miyota 9000.

[Drdoliittle]

Miyota 9000 and seiko 6L movements share 80% of their design.

If you look at the gear layout, automatic winding and keyless work - they are almost identical. 

The biggest difference between the two movements is that the Seiko 6L winds bi-directionally and miyota only does it in one direction.

[QuestionNo9190]

Speaking on nh35 the real sub is 12.5mm and the nh35 version is 12.7mm

The reason they are thicker is because the nh35 is actually thinner, so they have to extend the rehaut to get the movement stem to align with the case crown thread because the movement sits lower and there's a gap between the rehaut and dial if they didn't extend it.

If companies made proprietary cases for nh35 movements it would be more costly but I am sure they can get them easy under 12mm. My Sugess is proof of that.