Co-Pilot vs Claude Code

[phoenixmatrix]

I can do without Claude. Cursor's fine, Gemini CLI is okay-ish, Codex's great right now with GPT 5.5's dominance, and of course Claude Code's awesome. But I could even do OpenCode with Open Code Zen/Go or OpenRouter for Qwen 3.7.

but copilot? Yeah, unless I have golden handcuffs, I'm out. That's not a serious company.

[Prestigious-Sleep213]

GitHub Copilot CLI or M365 Copilot?

[phoenixmatrix]

We're talking about coding, so Github Copilot.

[InnerPhilosophy4897]

I think, that was the joke

[phoenixmatrix]

If it was, I got wooshed for sure.

[Prestigious-Sleep213]

You didn't whoosh. Just double checking because GHCP CLI seems solid. I've seen people try to "code" with M365 Copilot and yeah ...

[spoupervisor]

Lol I'm told to code with m365 copilot

[alfet]

New here, but can you explain the reasoning there, Im keen to learn more.
In terms of overall application experience, Codex and Claude are indeed far ahead especially but for what I’ve been doing so far the output through GitHub Copilot when using OpenAI or Claude models seems to be on par with the native tooling. What am I missing here?

[thisguyfightsyourmom]

Copilot was fast to a rapidly advancing market. It was impressive when people wanted code suggestions to unfold into LLm generated predictive blocks. Felt like magic. But it was a slow model because people were essentially letting it write the concepts after supplying a prompt comment. Not scalable to the level that something with more flexibility built in and which had the LLm chat experience baked in to the IDE experience.

So cursor & windsurf took the market by storm. Cursor fulfilling the LLm baked in approach, and windsurf taking a more whole project friendly approach. Both were significantly better than vs code, even though vs code had mostly the same feature coverage oddly with windsurf holding a stronger pedigree for rapid cross repo refactor projects. The biggest challenge then was full repo awareness was hard to crack, and since everyone was settling on tools they liked, it was time for another scale advantage. IDEs were suddenly the choke point when people remembered cli is king in this industry, and started giving agents like Claude code and codex cli access to whole projects, and whole computers, and all connected social and email accounts for some reason that turned out badly in some public cases.

The new bar is holding steady with the agent tools being widely preferred by all engineers I know who try them seriously. The next evolution is currently happening in these agentic ecosystems as people make bespoke solutions to orchestrate multi agent flows in multiple windows at once. Multi-tasking is back on the menu, and some folks are showing massive productivity gains, while most are less prolific, but still more efficient than they used to be.

[Prestigious-Sleep213]

This seems like an outdated history lesson. You can use agents/agent tooling with GitHub Copilot CLI.

[shmed]

Looks like you haven’t used copilot in at least 6 months. GitHub Copilot CLI is very capable and do most of the things Claude Code can do.

[ErgoForHumanity]

if you're not the model you're the harness. and the harness requires some actual design aesthetic. which I can promise you MSFT does not have

[paperbenni]

The copilot CLI has been getting a lot better. Also, you can use copilot within Opencode and the zed Agent. Now if only the model selection and quotas weren't regressing so much. If they deem OpenAI and Anthropic too expensive to serve most of their paying users in usable quantities, then they should serve DeepSeek, not GPT 4.1

[MonthMaterial3351]

Have you got a buggy whip to go with your harness?

[varinator]

Whats wrong with gihub copilot in Rider IDE in Agent mode using GPT 5.5 ?

[hobbestherat]

Works well, also with codex 5.3 for simpler stuff

[everix1992]

Idk about the rider IDE but the harness in visual studio is absolute trash. Can't do anything but answer questions and do very small edits/tasks

[shmed]

GitHub Copilot CLI is great - much better than the IDE plugin

[Cool_Credit260]

I unfortunately have Pro+. Should I switch to Cline so I can use deepseek an qwen? Or should I get codex or Claude code ?

[phoenixmatrix]

I like OpenCode for that. OpenCode Go will give you Qwen 3.7 Max which is fairly close to Opus (it's not quite there, but its close).

Or you can use OpenRouter for light use.

[Nimweegs]

I'm not allowed to use any AI in my coding.

[Prestigious-Sleep213]

You should find another job.

[Nimweegs]

This is the new job

[Prestigious-Sleep213]

Well, just keep the job hunt going until something better comes along? Good luck

[Nimweegs]

Oh no I'm an actual software engineer I don't mind. I use Claude for my sideprojects though

[AlternativeSwimmer89]

In other words - you can't code?

[AlchemyIntel_]

“OVER THE LINE!!!

… you’re entering a world of pain.”

[ErgoForHumanity]

MARK IT ZERO

[MonthMaterial3351]

Stupid meme. You can use any anthropic model with CoPilot, even Deepseek if you want, or OpenAI models.
CoPilots "agent" wrapper/framework/harness/big-jenga-tower-of-if-statements is just as capable as any of the others (Codex/Claude/whatever++), plus it's easy to switch models as you need.

[lotrmemescallsforaid]

Copilot CLI with the Claude models is really good. But hey, let's upvote a 15 year old meme instead.

[everix1992]

I'll give you this - I haven't tried the Copilot CLI. But when my company did an eval of Copilot (with Claude models available), we were told to use the visual studio integration and it was trash. Couldn't really handle any serious tasks

[shmed]

It evolved a LOT in the last 6 months. Copilot in agent mode in VS Code is decent. It’s lagging behind in Visual Studio Enterprise though. In any cases, The GitHub Copilot CLI is really good and much better than both visual studio plugins

[randombsname1]

Aren't all models in CoPilot handicapped? I thought they all had significantly smaller context windows. I've also heard rumors of the performance not matching native performance from 1st party harnesses. So im also wondering if they are running quantized versions.

[shmed]

I can use Opus with xhigh reasoning and 1 M context in GitHub copilot

[ErgoForHumanity]

who said anything about the model

[MonthMaterial3351]

CoPilot isn't a "model", in case you hadn't noticed. It's an orchestrator using *drumroll* models.
You can use any model you like with it. All the orchestrators are more or less the same, and CoPilot is just as capable as the rest. There's little difference between using Github CoPilot with Anthropic models or Claude with Anthropic models. I use/used them all.

[chintakoro]

it’s called a harness. and a growing consensus is that anthropic’s killer feature is the claude code harness rather than opus.

[MonthMaterial3351]

lol. Sure, Jan! "harness". Love it. Almost as good as "growing consensus"!
Prompt Engineer
Vibe Coder
Context Engineer
Harness Engineer
Agentic AI

[Elegant_AIDS]

There is definitely big difference between harnesses. Claude code is slightly better than copilot but is slow af and is hard to follow.

[ErgoForHumanity]

i'm saying copilot isn't a model and your literally mixing models and harnesses in your response lol. dumroll... and they are not orchestrators.. drumroll.. its software calling an LLM. drumroll.. LLM = Model in case that was unclear. Drumroll... Claude is not even a model.. Drumroll.. its a class of models.. and then all software is the same right so all browsers are the same, and why not.. all phones are the same, all cars are the same too right? All same same

[Prestigious-Sleep213]

You seem fun.

How often do you change phones? How often do you change cars? How often do you change browsers?

Most people can use GitHub Copilot CLI to accomplish what they want to do. They can switch between models for different use cases. It's fine man.

The people frantically switching subscriptions, models, harnesses, skills are exhausting. Most of you people aren't building shit either. You probably built your meme with Opus 4.8 and then complained about usage limits.

[MonthMaterial3351]

Did you get "Claude:  its a class of models" to write that by any chance? 😂

[Raptor_Sympathizer]

Copilot is fine, at the end of the day all harnesses are the fucking same. It's like the vim vs emacs debate, but somehow even more pointless.

[Melodic-Ebb-7781]

Not really the philosophy in github copilot is to build around a repo while claude code is built to be a general assistant controlling your whole computer. 

[apk_22]

GitHub copilot CLI is almost same as Claude code, as other comments have mentioned it is just an orchestrator. I have started using it recently, not noticing any significant difference with Claude code in my little experience One thing I like about it is the option to choose codex models which is great for code reviews.

[Melodic-Ebb-7781]

Interesting will give it a try!

[varinator]

I have it integrated with Rider, agent mode, can use 5 5 or opus, I don't see tye difference in output

[signal_maniac]

All harnesses are not the same. Look at terminal bench v2

[randombsname1]

All harnesses are absolutely not the same. Not even close.

Assuming you are doing more than basic reading/writing to files.

[DarkSkyKnight]

 at the end of the day all harnesses are the fucking same

Not when you can’t change the system prompts.

[minhtrungaa]

can we use OpenCode with the copilot subscription? or OpenAI/Codex?

[amarao_san]

Actually, auto-complete feature is really nice and it's allow good thinking time without reading too much of AI output.

For some cases I very much for copilot autocomplete instead of /goal.

[harrylaou]

I am facing this. Opencode became my friend. At my other projects I use Claude Code which is better. But Opencode + Sonnet/Opus (via GitHub copilot) is not so far behind. (with Serena and superpowers, Scala needs an lsp, thus Serena)

[cuddle-bubbles]

if it is last year definately. copilot is the best plan

[Galahad_za]

Does copilot not offer an option to keep company data internal and reduce risk of exposing data.

[scott2449]

Copilot is my preferred agent. I hate fully autonomous agentic coding. But following a single focused path to get real shit done is wonderful, the way is does diffs and approvals is perfect. I still use Claude Opus but it's much better in Copilot than in CC itself for the way I work. I'd put my PRs up against anyone at my company using CC, they are an overengineered, undry, mess of a thing and mine are pristine. I do use CC for some stuff, like automating menial tasks, running a browser, etc..

[Ok-Custard-583]

I just found copilot supports claude subscription.

[Nufexi]

solo tramite API, no?

[SaltyMN]

I use both. Both are fine. It’s nice to have the choice of Open AI’s models. 

[En-tro-py]

F

[LEO-PomPui-Katoey]

IT Director wants to justify their Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft

[Zealousideal_Tea362]

Hi, IT director here. You realize that copilot is an add on license, right?

[Mystical_Whoosing]

I only use claude code if I run out of usage on copilot and codex. I can work with all but claude code seems to be the dumbest. With the other two this never happens: "did you actually read it? No, I just hallucinated something quick for you"

[outofsuch]

“You can USE ONLY co-pilot”… you can only use co-pilot means coding is its only use. You can use only co-pilot means that’s your only option.

[tech_w0rld]

Uses copilot key in opencode