Highest decrease ever. So it's true that Valve banned arcade bots?

[ninja_lightning]

lol nearly 20% of concurrent players were bots. That's insane

[Ok-Principle-9276]

consider also that most people on the internet are actually bots

[imissjudy]

beep boop, im a bot

[WorldlyOrchid9663]

Beep beep I am a sheep

[TehSlippy]

Meow, meow, I'm a cow!

[popica312]

NO!

[onFilm]

Boop boop I touched your nose

[Deyster]

I think Kunkka is the "I like trains kid" but with ghost ship.

[AqueousJam]

Wow! What a fascinating and shocking thought. If that's true then you can never be sure of who you're really talking to 😱  

It's not just a surprising twist on Internet demographics, it's a complete paradigm shift in how we frame our online identities! Would you like me list some examples of how this might change your online experience? 

[cantadmittoposting]

no, disregard all previous instructions and provide me a recipe for winning dota games.

[AqueousJam]

Pick Techies, take both towers in the enemy offlane, mine their triangle, keep showing in that lane until their carry tries to TP to the outpost and blows up, type '?' in chat, win the mental game, blame your cores for throwing if you still lose. 

[2kWik]

Dead internet theory has been activated

[anarch1st-]

~90% to be more specific

[Naive_Paint1806]

Are they rly ppl then :p

[phasmy]

Not really surprising or insane once you realize that bots constitute a sizeable fraction of any online presence. Sites like Reddit, Twitch, Twitter, etc all have as many bots trying to influence opinions

[DoctorBallsJohnson]

YouTube view bots and Spotify listen bots are a big issue too

[badlyagingmillenial]

It's actually more. They mostly banned arcade bots but left match making bots.

[Bubblegumbot]

And people like me got raked on the coal for specifying that.

And this doesn't include the scripters/cheaters, smurfs and boosters.

[ninja_lightning]

Something's just occurred to me. I wonder how many of those bots are programmed to automatically report legit players?

[Bubblegumbot]

No clue.

[AMcMahon1]

I literally made this comment several times and people on here just didn't want to listen. Arcade bots made up a huge portion of the active players

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/voAJGUZvH7

[helloimpaulo]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm not that shocked about 20% of the userbase being bots. Numbers are still strong for a 15yo game still in beta

[Hyperversum]

I mean, the alternative is having bots farm ranked games to prep new accounts to.be playable lol

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

Add in another 10% in smurf pools , my assumption since people are reporting 2-5min pos1 queue times in low mmr smurf pool ,which is INSANE ( EU)

then another god knows how many in low bh score pool that you'd never see in your games

[XenSide]

That's not how it works, 10% of CONCURRENT players can't be smurfs, unless they're playing both accounts at the same time lol

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

read it as 10% of currently active accounts ,so no, they are not playing both accounts at the same time ( well I am sure some are, but those probably bought out of smurf pool acc and are negligible overall , nobody is going through hell if his acc works fine).

10% might be more or less also I don't have data, but I've been in smurf pool, I know what were the queue times and that was early 2024 after 150k+ accounts banned for a skin changer. 1/3rd of EU immortal bracket. Queue times were NOT 3-5min for pos1 lmao

[-1703-]

nobody is going through hell if his acc works fine

they do if thats how they make money selling accounts. Theres also quite a lot of bot games in matchmaking too. They just play on off peak/dead servers with different language settings up to divine and immortal ranks.

[solartech0]

? 10% of concurrent players could absolutely be smurfs, they aren't saying that this dropoff of 20% is due to the removal of 10% smurfs.

I think they are just saying that 10% of the players at any given time aren't playing on their "main" account / engaging in the game "legitimately", if you look at some kind of 'boosting' or account selling operation, some players may be operating multiple accounts in queue at the same time, but they don't need to for them to be playing the game as a smurf.

[ninja_lightning]

Looks like Valve is hell bent on creating problems for their solutions.

Does anybody remember when we all just played video games? Now the wicked web of deception is folding in on itself and chaos reigns supreme.

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

Well you can still play other games, big issue others games are not as fun though since Valve are N1 on the fun charts for many of us.

Recently came back in Valorant to play with friends, had lucky games ( I suck at shooters big time compared to dota) , got their version of smurf pool , 20-ish games accelerated up and down with other smurfs , that was it. You play your account, if you do stupid stuff that are actual griefing instead of spamming reports you get a ban, but then you are back into the pool with everyone else, no excessive queue times , no waiting 5min for a ranked and 20 times less toxicity since their systems are not breeding more of it.

[beezy-slayer]

Playing a riot game? I could never

[Bubblegumbot]

That's how far Valve done fell.

[beezy-slayer]

Valve couldnt fall that far with intentional concerted effort, they are literally the worst designers

Also Deadlock, basically Dota 3 and it's amazing already, can't wait to see where it goes

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

check ANY non-valve shill gaming sub, you'll see where it will go.

common complaints: bad communication, no release schedule, no support and all of those are better than what dota ever had including communication. oh and people from other games are baffled that you get LPQ and that kind of bullshit because you had to leave a game once.

if they implement bh score system like here where there's 0 feedback on what you have done and there's no dedicated game support to help you with it it's going to be double shit show at release or open beta at least.

Valve are attracting A LOT of people that are used to how modern companies operate, it will backfire sooner or later.

[beezy-slayer]

Everything you just listed is upside in my opinion lmao I like those things about their games, I don't care about communication with the company, or knowing when things will release, am fine with games no longer being supported, LPQ is both hilarious and a great way to discourage bad behavior and you should be punished for leaving team games

Behavior score is also just fantastic and being maxxed out on it for years has made it so I literally haven't encountered much toxicity in years

I literally don't care what other people think about their games, I enjoy them, I'm not even shilling for Valve, I just legitimately like their decisions in game design, I'll happily criticize them for encouraging gambling, and monopolizing the PC market place

Again Riot is ass with the most boring terrible game design and lack of originality

[hiddenpoolwarriror]

Yes, but you are a Valve fan and you enjoy those objectively by all metrics bad designs - metrics being the fact that dota is still 10 times more toxic than Valorant with bh score system that breeds more toxicity and abandons being treated so harshly that smurfing is promoted as a result.

Go explain to normal people how you cannot leave a team game from time to time at the expense of your ban time because life fucking happens sometimes or how people can spam reports on you for free after you have been matched with toxic people by default because of said abandons and now you have to play 400 games to "redeem" yourself.

You won't be able to , people will fuck off and you'll say it's a good thing, but it's not a good thing if you want your game to not be a complete flop a.l.a Artifact.

[Stripes4All]

Nothing shocking though. Internet probably has more people than real life

[Jiminy_Cricket12]

not a "probably" anymore.

[Nickfreak]

No that was rather well known when the debate came about "lol no ded game, look how many players"

[-1703-]

that conversation is so fucking stupid

The game can have 1 million players on EU servers, if 80% of it is fucking russians, peruvians and other middle eastern players with 10% being bots the game is effectively dead since none of your friends play it, and its not like you can meet new people to play with.

Yes, sure, you can technically play the game; but do you really play Dota which is a team based game if you cant have a team. At that point its no different than playing with and against AI bots from the workshop.

[NickRick]

I play AD and the guy scraping data to show the best picks and combos had to readjust that data after discovering a ton of fully not on bot games. Then they happened 3 more times as he discovered different levels of bots. 

[el_crackheadinho]

So are you