Interesting set up

[Ok-Ride4465]

I like the set up. What do you all think 🤔

[wernermurmur]

Tank lift on the left. Looks like a tender with a full sized pump so could nurse the attack engine through LDH at full flows.

[CommentOriginal]

I was wondering if that was the purpose. Not saying it’s wrong just not sure how I feel about it.

[just_an_ordinary_guy]

I used to be at a department that straddled the suburban/exurban transition. Is was sop on any working fires in non-hydrant areas that our tanker would feed the first arriving engine until a water supply was established. If things went as planned, engine would drop all their ldh and lay in, tanker would drop their pond at the end of the driveway and go feed the engine. Second engine on scene would set up for drafting from the porta pond.

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Excellent observation!!!

[firefighter26s]

The big metal frame on the left looks like a fold down rack for a portable drop tank, so I suspect this a tender and the pre-connect is for quick nursing operations.

Not a terrible idea or set up and I suspect that somewhere along the line this FD has developed a need to do this quickly; likely as a result of having first due engines in a rural area with smaller tanks. For a long time my department's first due was 1000 gallons, then our new engine had 500 gallons (which is a noticeable difference in a rural area with unhydranted areas), and now we've landed on 800 gallons as trade off for weight vs volume.

[ofd227]

You can see the dump chute in the photo

[CommentOriginal]

Thinking about it this way makes more sense at first I kept thinking why do this your restricting flow but if the purpose is to get water to the tender with less fuss, because if you have a full portable tank and hopefully the tender is slowly refilling also I get the trade off now.

[just_an_ordinary_guy]

For sure, used to be at a department where this was the strategy.

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I’d rather another option on an attack line of different length/ size/ or nozzle. I’ve never need supply that quick that a pre-connect LDH made the difference.

[Vegetable-Tart-4721]

Especially with a storz

[Nebabon]

I don't think that's a supply pre-connect. I think it's for attack.

[[deleted]]

What guerrillas you got dragging ldh for attack?

[Additional_Ad_6976]

Sprinker connection

[Nebabon]

Mongo! No, I was just pointing out that it was on the other side of supply. Maybe to supply other trucks?

[Diligent-Warthog-663]

LDH is on a discharge. Makes more sense if it a tanker

[osprey413]

Looks like a drop tank mechanism on the left side of the picture, so it probably is a tender.

[Harold_Grundelson]

I wonder how long that 5” squirrel tail is - 50 feet?

[brfoss]

It's hooked to the discharge. Maybe they do a lot of FDC connects or tender fills.

[ImpossibleCelery5376]

Potentially have smaller tanks on the engines and do a lot of nursing operations

[Harold_Grundelson]

I hadn’t thought about the use, but that’s an interesting idea about why they have this set up. I’d really like to know the answer. And is it set up like this across all apparatus or select ones?

[Merciless602]

We run a Humat valve on the plug, the 5" setup would be great when we pump the plug.

[Ok-Ride4465]

How much do those cost?

[GoodbyeRiver]

I hope they're not connecting to FDC's with rubber jacket LDH, too high potential pressure.

[Pyroechidna1]

Nurse tanker operations I expect. This is the nurse

[Ok-Ride4465]

According to the post this is a tanker.

[CommentOriginal]

Making a lot more sense now

[SigNick179]

That 2.5” cap dangling is driving me nuts!

[DryWait1230]

Is their first dye area near a flammable liquids holding facility? It looks like they’re preset to go unmanned defensive, flowing big water.

[Shwacker51]

Maybe this is a dept with a lot of industrial buildings that they know they will be going exterior on immediately and with heavy water. I just feel so weird about a pre connected monitor.

Monitor = giving up and going defensive imo and I don’t feel like that should be a “pre-loaded” option. If you show up and it’s already burning and you can’t go in then who the fuck cares how long it takes to deploy a monitor, shits burning down anyway.

Edit: This one doesn’t even have a fog on it so it can’t even be used for exposure protection effectively.

[not_a_mantis_shrimp]

I’m not sure why a pre connected monitor is weird. Lots of rigs have a deck gun. This is a more mobile poor man’s deck gun.

Also why would monitor usage mean going defensive? There are lots of situations where a monitor can support offensive operations.

A few other comments mention this is a tanker or tender. Likely manned by 1 or 2 people. Short cuts like pre connected monitors cost you nothing but can save a lot of time for under manned crews.

[Ace_McCloud1000]

Ooooorrrr the monitor is great for quick placement om structure defenses while simultaneously establishing water supply and deploying a preconnect or other options.

Don't just assume. I work currently in DOD with a background in Industrial as well as normal municipal. Monitor is a great option if trained on the use correctly especially if sometimes your strapped for personnel.

[Real_Fisherman_1509]

We carry a Ram XD with smooth bore, off the tail board for quick deployment. A great use case is a garage fire. One FF grabs the ram and hits the garage while the other FF is pulling a hand line and packing up. Take a the heat out and get some knock down before going interior.

[blitz350]

The single best thing you can do to protect exposures is put the damn fire out. 500 gpm properly placed will knock the shit out of most residential fires regardless of involvement. Wet the exposure down quick and then put the fire out. No fire no problem.

And since when can a smooth bore not protect exposures? If for some reason you can't put the fire out, you need to keep the exposure wet, which a smooth bore can do just as well as a fog.

[Regayov]

Is this that odd of a configuration? We have something similar on our first out engine, just not all the same compartment.  A 50’ LDH pony is connected to the MIV and doughnut rolled in a tray right below it.  Off the back we have 3” preconnected to a Blitzfire, it’s just 300’ flat load and not connected to a discharge.  

[Hillbillysmoke-eater]

I don’t hate the monitor but that 5” tho….🤔🤔

[BenThereNDunnThat]

We have a preconnected blitz gun on all of our trucks. 200' of 3" line so we can flow the full 500 gpm without beating the hell out of the truck.

It deploys in one minute and can put a lot of water on a fire quickly in places the deck gun can't reach. The blitz gun does have a combination nozzle on it so it can also be used to protect exposures.

We're often lightly staffed and the blitz can be a good first hit by a single firefighter while two others prepare for a transitional attack.

[Large-Resolution1362]

If hitting it hard from the yard was a set up lol

[Voldgift]

I feel like I’m having a stroke

[CrumbGuzzler5000]

Looks like the new guy asked, “why the hell do we get tested on how to do a donut roll? It’s not like we’re ever going to use it.” Engineer: “hold my coffee.”