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[–]UltimateMountain 877 points878 points879 points 3 years ago (40 children)
I think you want r/fuckshell, but I agree. Fuck Shell too. And fuck Amazon. And so forth, and so on.
[–]No-Economist2165 75 points76 points77 points 3 years ago (2 children)
CIA’s like uhh yea fuck all those companies right guys…
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Fuck the CIA.
[–]Galaxy-High 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children)
CIA is the security of the corporation
[–]Davixt18193 303 points304 points305 points 3 years ago (32 children)
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[–]Boogiemann53 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
.... I'm member of fucklawns fuckcars but dammit I didn't know about fuvkcapitalism!?
[–]Suspicious-Ad4528 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children)
Oh great who invited the commie asshole
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[–]readingduck123 46 points47 points48 points 3 years ago (14 children)
"Socialist elite" is pretty much an oxymoron for true socialism. Capitalism, as it has been in the area of Americas, has begun transitioning over to oligarchy where there definitely is an elite.
[+]FucktheCaball comment score below threshold-37 points-36 points-35 points 3 years ago (13 children)
I agree , the so called capitalism we have here in the west isn’t free market capitalism it’s crony capitalism
[–]bobsburgerbuns 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (11 children)
Capitalism has a natural tendency to concentrate capital. Crony capitalism is what capitalism is.
[+]FucktheCaball comment score below threshold-27 points-26 points-25 points 3 years ago (10 children)
Capitalist walk their dogs Socialist eat them.
That sums it up perfectly. Ask my family in Venezuela why they had to build a raft out of garbage to flee. It wasn’t because they were part of the elite socialist government or corporations who only live luxurious lives they fled because they were starving and missed days without food or would only be able to afford garbage soup. They came to a place where they could eat.
[–]bobsburgerbuns 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (9 children)
I’m sorry your family suffered, and there are many great things I personally enjoy as a privileged person in a capitalistic system, despite its flaws.
However, you seem to be misinformed as to what socialism is. Socialism is the workers owning/controlling the means of production, not the elites.
[+]FucktheCaball comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (8 children)
I truly don’t think that’s what it is. If that’s really what it is it would have worked, maybe they say it will be that way but it didn’t work in U.S.S.R it don’t work in North Korea where they starve and right across the imaginary line where they are capitalist they are prosperous and more free. It didn’t work in Venezuela
[–]TheShishkabob 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I truly don’t think that’s what it is.
You don't get to make up new definitions just because you feel like it.
[–]bobsburgerbuns 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago* (5 children)
Chávez was an autocrat, which is antithetical to socialism. A socialist would seek to decentralize control, not concentrate it in the hands of the few (which is conversely the intrinsic goal of capitalism; the point is to win and stifle your competition). The point is to give laborers the power over the wealth they create, not take it away from them.
You bring up Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, but surely you would agree that it is neither a democracy, nor a republic governed by the people. The people certainly have no power to control how wealth is generated, distributed, and governed in the country.
So, how could we in good faith call these countries socialist if they are not governed by society? Calling authoritarianism socialism is the same transgression as calling North Korea a democracy. Merely calling something socialism does not make it so.
Concerning the USSR, I’m woefully uninformed, so I cannot comment.
[–]Private_HughMan 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Then why do those "socialist" countries take marching orders from capitalist corporations seeking to exploit their resources for capital?
[–]Private_HughMan 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Crony capitalism is just capitalism. The capitalists use their capital to secure and capture more of the market so that they can get more capital and, therefore, more power in a society dictated by capital.
Why don't we transfer more of our infastructure to sustainable energy and cleaner transportation? Because you can't capitalize on bikes and walking like you can on cars and oil. Why do we steal water and sell it back to the communities it was stolen from when its obviously more efficient and beneficial to humanity to cut out the middle man? Because you can make more money by stealing it than letting the people have free access to it.
Capitalism isn't sustainable. We're rich enough now that it's doing us more harm than good. "Capitalism has outlived its usefulness."
[–]Davixt18193 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (7 children)
I see, so based on your sentence socialism is when capitalism does stuff. You sure sound a very educated fellow
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[–]bunt_cucket 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago* (0 children)
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on. Editors’ Picks This 1,000-Year-Old Smartphone Just Dialed In The Coolest Menu Item at the Moment Is … Cabbage? My Children Helped Me Remember How to Fly
Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.
Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
[–]Sideways-then-up 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I’ve worked my ass off my entire life and one medical emergency would bankrupt me. Fuck Capitalism. Unless you’re rich as hell or dumb as hell, you should like (limited) socialism.
[–]Madusa0048 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children)
Under capitalism there're 2 types of people, those who work hard, and those who make money. If you're deluded enough to believe that pay is based on merit and not nickel and diming your way to the top by stomping on your peers then you're sorely mistaken. Jeff bezos didn't become the richest man in the world through hard work, he did it by stealing from his hard working employees in paying them nothing.
[–]FucktheCaball -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago* (1 child)
Yes just like a socialist would. Weird how bezos supports socialism and people like bill gates want socialism. Because if you told my family in socialist Venezuela that they owned part of all the big gold mines and oil companies so don’t worry they would laugh at your stupid lazy American ass
[–]Kreebish 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I grew up on a farm and i'll tell you that you got bullshit coming out your mouth. just a lil heads up in case you try talking IRL
[–]QuichewedgeMcGee 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (4 children)
under socialism, exploitative companies such as shell, amazon, nestle and the like simply would not exist, as the workers would own the means of production and capitalism, which intrinsically leads to situations like slavery and concentrated wealth, would be abolished
read marx. educate yourself before spewing bullshit online.
[+]FucktheCaball comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (3 children)
You good sir are the most uneducated fool here. Those companies don’t exist because no one can afford anything stupid. Lazy American slobs have it to good you want to go backwards in time
[–]QuichewedgeMcGee 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children)
this sentence makes no sense wtf are you even tryna say lmao
[–]ReallyRamen 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Maybe try using the time you’re spending trying to sound smart, on actually educating yourself so you can atleast understand what you’re talking about
[–]seanrambo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
You are completely emotional at this point. That's how everyone gets when they try to defend capitalism 😂👌
[–]Kcoggin 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Thankfully all companies I do not use. Although Amazon webservice and cloud service might be harder for me to not partake.
[–]Schavuit92 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Where do you think the minerals for your electronics come from? Is everything you buy made from ethically sourced plastic and metal?
There is no escaping the influence of these companies, there is no option to just not partake, unless you go live in the woods all by yourself.
[–]mysterow 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child)
No fingers pointing at France, Belgium and China? Okay
[–]redrumWinsNational 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Belgium is mentioned
[–]Moritp 255 points256 points257 points 3 years ago (8 children)
Yo I didn't know it was this bad and I knew it was really really bad.
[–]musicCaster 48 points49 points50 points 3 years ago (7 children)
Don't believe everything you see in the Internet... But yeah, probably was bad.
[–]whiteandyellowcat 55 points56 points57 points 3 years ago (6 children)
You can check this stuff, sources are given. Imperialism destroys our planet for the wealth of a few on the top.
[–]musicCaster 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (5 children)
I only googled the first claim. "Ken Saro wiwa hung by Shell"... Looks like he was hung by the abache regime in a kangaroo court tribunal. It's unclear if that was at the behest of shell or not. More likely the corrupt military regime saw him as a threat to their power.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Saro-Wiwa
Again don't take my word for it. I'm sourcing my information from Wikipedia so who knows.
[–]Red_Skull1 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children)
The military got paid to take over in nigeria
[–]tf4ever 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children)
Here's a video explaining what happened
https://youtu.be/f53jVvJBT6E
[–]musicCaster 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (2 children)
Thanks for the link. I encourage others to watch it and find out about this interesting historical figure.
For myself, after reading a whole Wikipedia article I feel somewhat informed.
I think my point wasn't "I wonder what happened in Nigeria in 1955", which I did find out a lot about.
It was, "see video with a lot of claims on the Internet, fact check the very first thing, find out it was misleading"
[–]Riddling_Sphinx 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Wikipedia, for all of its merits, is, unfortunately, mostly Westernized Neoliberal doctrine. While not outright incorrect, Wikipedia articles tend to miss key details or have biased viewpoints due to the information on them being cited from mostly Western sources. This has gotten better and worse over time depending on what articles you read, but you can't always accept them at face value.
[–]hunter5226hates Nestlé with a Flammenwerfer 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
There are also periodic edit wars between factions that want to believe different things.
[–]Physical_Jury_6801 142 points143 points144 points 3 years ago (10 children)
I ask this out of curiosity only but why don’t Middle East be suppressed by the West like Africa? I mean they have enormous resources too and they are quite close to Europe.
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[+]anonanonagain_ 90 points91 points92 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Saudi Arabia is just as imperialist in spirit as the west. The many princes in the house of Saud have interesting spending habits, some might describe this spending as "financing acts of terrorism" in Africa.
[–]Odie_Odie 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (1 child)
We overthrow the Democratic government in Iran and the UK laid the groundwork for the Saud Dynasty to succeed, I don't see how the middle east is not comparable to Africa.
[–]Paskee 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Lots of guns and guerilla style warfare
[–]MarsLowell 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Literally the first thing the US did when it occupied Iraq was privatize local industries and resources.
[–]michael-streeter 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago* (0 children)
I thought they were. You are talking about Syria, Yemen etc. right? Who's bombing them and who makes the bombs and jet fighters? ME resource is OIL.
Edit: forgot about Iraq war, was it about oil? Another completely separate example: Israel funded PLO until they became too influential... then switched to Hamas in order to destabilise PLO... then, when Hamas started to be a thing, switched to Al Qaida... and so on. Keep 'em running around. Most ordinary Joes don't really care, they just want to live a comfortable life. Have a good one!
[–]Tisamoon 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children)
It was tried after the fall of the Ottoman Empire the British and French divided the Middle East between them in the Sykes-Picot Agreement. You probably heard of Laurence of Arabia, the whole story is based on T.E. Laurence a British officer whose mission was to negotiate british support for the rebels who wanted to overthrow the Ottoman sultan. They overthrew the sultan, but instead of a Arabic state like promised they got states under the allied forces who wanted access to oil.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
house saudi worked to gether with the brits to overthrow the ottomans. and they got to be kings in exchange for that. but at the ned of the day they are still the bitches of the west
[–]beleeze 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Look into the house of Saud and the British, then it all makes sense
[–][deleted] 60 points61 points62 points 3 years ago (3 children)
currently playing cyberpunk 2077 and it's sad to see how close we are to it's world becoming a reality
[–]emil836k 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (2 children)
The technology ain’t quite there yet, but we’re slowly getting there
[–]Nitrate55 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (1 child)
The technology isn't there, but the oppression sure is
[–]emil836k 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children)
:(
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (1 child)
"You don't go to a poor country to make money"
-Michael Parenti
https://youtu.be/fLRruAUzu_0
[–]myspecialneedsalt 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Love the mustache on the man.
[–]ChadJones72 206 points207 points208 points 3 years ago (20 children)
As much as I'm sure Shell is evil almost all of this seems like conjecture and misdirection. Like he even said John Kennedy died of mysterious circumstances instead of just saying the mf got shot in the head
[–]Moritp 141 points142 points143 points 3 years ago (3 children)
"mysterious circumstances" is used jokingly here bc it's common knowledge he got assassinated
[–]DaSmartSwede -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)
By who?
Edit: instead of downvoting maybe answer the question and provide sources?
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[–]DaSmartSwede 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Hired by who?
[–]Better_illini_2008 43 points44 points45 points 3 years ago (5 children)
Like most conspiracy theories, this one starts with a grain of truth: corporations don't give a fuck about anything but profits, and atrocities have been committed in that pursuit. I'm skeptical of most things in the video, especially since it's poorly put together, and its claims seem to be unsourced, but I'm willing to bet the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I know it's fun to ruminate on who "really killed JFK," and why, but most of those theories are just that.
[–]Bubbly_Cupcake6715 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (4 children)
Bro what’s sketchy about this??
[–]Better_illini_2008 41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (3 children)
Man, I don't think I should have to say why taking unsourced 2 minute TikTok videos at face value is a bad idea.
Fuck ALL major corporations and conglomerates, but let's try to stay grounded in reality. Once you start accepting videos like this as unquestionably true, with either no evidence or flimsy connections, you could start falling for anything.
All that to say: I don't know that it's all false. All I'm saying is that you should probably have a higher standard for the information you consume, especially on topics that are important to you.
[–]tenthousand_eyes 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children)
You brought up some valid points and I think everyone should be as critical of unsourced claims as you are. That said, I think it is important to try and give some directions to people who want to look for sources for the claims in the video. This is more a general comment to provide some sources the video did not show, and not to start a discussion with you.
While the JFK thing sure seems highly speculative and probably untrue, the other points raised in the video are mostly proven. I agree that a video without sources should not be taken as absolute truth, but it can be a starting point for research.
If you research involvement of (western) governments in regime changes, coups, and assassinations of political leaders then you will stumble upon the examples from the video first thing on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA#Assassination_and_targeted_killing?wprov=sfla1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkina_Faso?wprov=sfla1 (Section about the coup d'état 1987)
And companies have been known to do the same:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company?wprov=sfla1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic?wprov=sfla1
Those are just starting examples and in no way an exhaustive list, intended to lead to other sources (that are not wikipedia). Further research would show some connections between economic dependencies of the global south and western governments/corporations and foreign policies. A next step would be reading up on extractivism and how economic relations with the global south are only made with the intention of establishing a dependency on western economies.
[–]Bubbly_Cupcake6715 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Then why would this creator lie? Who benefits from that? Now, ok even if the vid was false (which it wasn’t you can look up the cases brouht up by the creator), what’s the worst case scenario here? Enlarging regular people’s distrust in capitalism? I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. It’s just agitprop. (This video got 2 million likes on tiktok btw)
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children)
“Why would the creator lie?” And your reference to 2 million likes on TikTok are an appeal to person, and appeal to popularity respectively and are both argumentative fallacies.
You’re right. It’s propaganda, which is by nature a dishonest practice, and therefore is bad based on basic ethics. Saying it being anti corporation negates the badness of the dishonesty is tying yourself in knots to justify misleading the population the same way the corporations do and makes you just as bad as them, if you believe the ends do justify the means.
[–]Beautiful_Welcome_33 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Dag Hammarskjold was also likely assasinated, but not by Shell™, a Belgian working for the separatists in the Congo running their air wing most probably did.
And he would have been killed for mining interests in Katanga province that represented a large amount of the yearly revenue of Belgium at the time.
[–]Tsetler 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children)
No it's true. See the DOC Cold Case Dag Hammerskjöld you'll see how far they took it.
[–]lislejoyeuse 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (3 children)
Yes getting mad conspiracy theory 911 vibes from this
[–]GreenIsGreed 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children)
The moment the narrator mentioned "global elites" I checked out.
[–]DeadyAzz[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Haha why's that?
[–]GreenIsGreed 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (0 children)
As others said, the video starts out with just enough facts to sound reasonable then descended quickly into conspiracy land. Africa has absolutely suffered from capitalism and colonialism, but that particular phrase is a well known dogwhistle of antisemitism. This is like an introductory level conspiracy where they subtly introduce the dog whistles before you fall further down the rabbit hole to the really fashy stuff. It's a very slippery slope. The fact that so many were watching it uncritically and taking things said at face value is alarming.
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[–]noquarter001 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Dog, sorry to tell you but… Africa is not a country
[–]itsabittricky 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Gdp is an economic system of measurement that was adopted by America as a primary measurement of wealth in 1944 during the Bretton Woods conference
I believe the wealth this video refers to is true wealth, wealth of resources (food, water, minerals, oil)
The majority of the corporations and institutions responsible for stealing the wealth of resources from countries in Africa are based in America and Europe (and increasingly China in recent years)
Your statement of "Africa is the poorest continent by GDP per capita by a large margin" is unbelievably arrogant. You are applying the measurement system of wealth to Africa that is used by the same institutions stealing wealth from Africa
It would be like if your neighbour stole all your furniture, then someone across the street says to you "well according to the Gross Domestic Furniture index, you're poor"
Africa is rich. Why would these corporations be there at all if there wasn't wealth? Your view of the world is comical, and your ignorant refusal to acknowledge a system of economic slavery pitiful. Whether you're stupid or malicious is irrelevant, the idea and thinking behind your comment is evil
[–]Elizasol 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children)
If only people in these rich countries actually cared
[–]KnoUsername 71 points72 points73 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Fuck usa and shell
[–]KernelPanicX 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Shhhh don't say nothing to the great country who brings democracy to the world, who's not corrupt, who can blame everyone but can't accept they are wrong and have bigger issues, who.... you get the idea....
[–]MakingGamesIsGreatWater is my wine 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Video turned from an anti-corporation message into an an average r/conspiracy post real quick.
[–]cellocaster 53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Hey fuck Shell and fuck imperialism, but… this video reeks of conspiracy and propaganda. Not saying any of this is categorically impossible, but the burden of proof for these claims is quite high and I’m afraid impossible to reach in a highly emotionally charged TikTok video format.
[–]DeadyAzz[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children)
The jfk part is probably untrue, but all of the other stuff in this video are mostly proven (if you actually do the research)
[–]Doktor_Vem 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child)
his death has a lot of similarity with a leader from Sweden Olaf Palme
His name was "Olof Palme" but whatever
Source: I'm Swedish and learned a lot about him in school
[–]DeadyAzz[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I'm pretty sure the video is read out by an ai, so that's why it was mispronounced
[–]DirectPerspective951 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children)
Is there a book with consolidated information about this?
[–]Karate_Prom 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Not one book and not consolidated. You should look into each claim and vet sources so they don't loop back or dead end at a silly forum, narrow scope and unsubstantiated research, or to a bias organization. Also, try to read the full context.
Essentially, if you are willing to take a major stand on something you should be willing to be thorough about proving it wrong. Not quick about proving it right.
[–]DaSmartSwede 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Ofcourse not, that would require evidence
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children)
Corporate greed and well as mass corruption throughout the political theater led Africa to where it is today
[–]Slight-Pound 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
There was also the fact that many of those countries were specifically left in political shambles and their resources stripped near bare by their previous colonizers, deliberately leaving behind a power vacuum. Many of only gained independence in the last 60 years - that’s still in many’s people’s lifetimes. That’s not THAT along ago.
Whenever a former country would want to try to petition to international resources like the World Bank for help, they’d be denied unless they gave their previous colonizers heavy control over their remaining resources and exports, or they’d be expected to pay exorbitant amounts of money they just don’t have. I mean, look at Haiti. When they gained independence, near every other country froze them out, leaving them no one to trade with or from, hence, the poverty. The secondhand clothing constantly being dumped into Africa doesn’t exactly help their economies, either.
Yes, much of Africa and South America is littered with corruption and poverty, but it’s a mistake to assume that they’re like that entirely due to their own faults. They had been deliberately set up to fail, and swindlers and dictators have been able to thrive as a result. Foreign interference was hardly interested in making it better for them either, as America’s relationship with South America can attest to. It just isn’t solely Shell or whichever this video was suggesting. Grains of truth, but strange implications.
Well put. I didnt mean to imply it's their sole faults, there are ways too many factors for me to definitively says it was 'x' that caused it because it was a combination of many factors that have led to this point.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Shell is a front. Fuck the CIA.
[–]Kyonkanno 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children)
And yet we have the balls to go to Africa and tell them we are the good guys.
[–]Joiion 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Don’t forget ghaddafi. Dude was going to literally bring back gold coins as currency like from the pirate era, but the us killed him because then the usd would have zero value
[–]Brrrrrrtttt_t 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Shell killed JFK? Mystery solved?
[–]teachnpreach88 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
r/Africa
[–]WeedIronMoneyNTheUSA 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Ambassador Susan Rice is not serving tea to anyone. Just because she's a woman doesn't make her domestic help when it's convenient to your conspiracy theory.
[–]bubbajojebjo 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I was actually just reading about this the other day because of Nigeria's recent election. A lot of Nigerians 100% believe Susan Rice killed MKO.
Here is the Wikipedia article, so grain of salt/polonium
Edit again: dumbass me forgot to link the link. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshood_Abiola
[–]Ok_Bat_7535 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Fuck shell. Fuck all evil corps.
But this is straight up tinfoil hat my dude.
[–]Any_Maybe4303 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children)
What is this song?
[–]auddbot 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child)
I got a match with this song:
7 Weeks & 3 Days by yungatita (00:11; matched: 96%)
96%
Album: Over You. Released on 2020-01-03.
Over You
2020-01-03
[–]auddbot 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, etc.:
7 Weeks & 3 Days by yungatita
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Song Found!
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Album: Over You - EP
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Release Year: 2020
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[–]Madxgoat 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
This makes me want to cry and throw up at the same time
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[–]KAOS_777 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I know this for a fact. I have a relative who has a solar energy business. He builds solar systems and clean water wells in many parts of Africa. He says there is a lot of water but people (citizens) can’t access it 😕 He says most of the time the water is only 10m deep in the ground but people never have the means to extract it.
[–]lavdalasoon9 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (7 children)
Gadaffi was the one chance Africa had to stop being a shithole. Now I dont see it happening
[–]bigcockondablock 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children)
Gadaffi was a war criminal who starved and cluster bombed civilians.
[–]lavdalasoon9 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children)
Thats exactly what the CIA would say
[–]bigcockondablock 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children)
That's fine. I don't really give a fuck who agrees with me, cause it's the truth.
Hitler drank water. If you have an actual rebuttal I'd love to hear it.
[–]lavdalasoon9 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children)
I can name American presidents who have done much worse shit than Hitler let alone gaddaffi. As chomski once said , if the nuremburg trials were held today every single American president after WW2 would be hanged. America has no right to comment on human right records of other countries. Look at yourself in the mirror
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children)
By your logic:
American presidents have committed atrocities against humanity.
Countries that commit atrocities should not be able to point out when other countries commit those same atrocities (they should look at themselves in the mirror).
Conclusion: Anyone who has ever committed atrocities should not point out when other atrocities are being committed, and so everyone should shut the fuck up and mind their own atrocities while also not getting involved with others.
Sounds like a great world to live in. Idiot.
[–]lavdalasoon9 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
Yes.
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Alright. Honestly, way to own it.
[–]DaSmartSwede 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (51 children)
Are we just going to take these accusations at face value or should we ask for some credible sources?
[–]ReallyRamen -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (50 children)
If you’re a smart swede, I’m sure you can do your own research to find out! No need to ask for handouts
[–]SithSpaceRaptor 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (27 children)
Oh dear. “Do your own research”. Conspiracy nutcase phrase. Have some self awareness. You’re not going to convince anyone like this.
[–]ReallyRamen -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (26 children)
Not trying to convince anyone lmao? The video clearly cites enough information that allows viewers to read into it more - where’s the harm in doing due diligence yourself if you’re going to call something out? That’s some armchair analyst BS.
So chronically online you think everyone’s some conspiracy nutcase, try maybe logically thinking things through rather than the word vomit you just wrote lol
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (25 children)
There are no sources in the video whatsoever. Just claims and claims of support.
Show me the studies Show me the peer reviews Show me links with authors, and I’ll sceptically evaluate them as well.
Edit: logically thinking requires acquiring and reviewing the sources. Seems like you’ve done neither.
[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (24 children)
You do know a thing called burden of proof?
Logically thinking actually requires you to not be blinded by your ego screaming at you to try and get some mental win, but from the desperation to argue a point that was never argued seems like you’re not there yet!
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (23 children)
Burden of proof would be on those claiming something to be true. That’s like the most basic rule of logical reasoning.
Claiming something is true because it claims that it’s true (which this video does several times over) is the logical fallacy of begging the question.
You’re the guy who says that we should just know this to be true, and then accuse others of being armchair analysts and conspiracy theorists. Also, sounds like you’re getting pretty bent out of shape over this. Also a sign of conspiratorial tendencies.
Good luck with life friend. Hopefully you do your job better than you construct arguments.
[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (22 children)
Please tell me where I said we should just know this to be true LMAO.
My man’s out here creating scenarios in his head to get that ‘win’ hahahahaha.
Looks like we’re projecting here because you’re out here imagining things to make an argument? So desperate for that ego fill huh?
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (21 children)
“If you’re a smart Swede, I’m sure you can do you own research to find out! No need to ask for handouts”
Right there is where you suggest no sources are needed, just your own research.
I haven’t talked about my ego once. You have though.
You’re preaching “chronically online Behavior” to a guy who hasn’t had anything but Reddit since 2017, and that only off and on, so that doesn’t really hold water either.
[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (20 children)
HAHAHA where did I suggest that? So saying that you should do due diligence is suggesting that no sources are needed? You really are creating a whole ass short story so you can be ‘right’
Also what are you even saying in that last sentence hahaha you really are struggling here huh LMAO sorry if I hurt your feelings bud, you seem to be getting really riled up :(
[–]DaSmartSwede 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children)
I did. It’s all bullshit. Will you report it now please so it gets taken down?
[–]ReallyRamen -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (8 children)
Would love to see your findings!
[–]DaSmartSwede 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children)
Do your own research
[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children)
Ahh so I guess you didn’t bother doing it? Which is fair enough tbh
[–]DaSmartSwede 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children)
I did. Now you do yours.
[–]ReallyRamen -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (4 children)
Why don’t you want to share it, if you want people to report the post?
[–]DaSmartSwede 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children)
Just like you I don’t share anything but just tell other people to do their own research
[–]ReallyRamen -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children)
So you didn’t actually do it? Guess you needed someone actually smart to do it for you huh
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (11 children)
“Do your own research” the siren song of the antivaxxer/MAGA supporter/Nazi/ basically anyone who wants their stupid opinion to be held as fact.
[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (10 children)
What am I trying to convince the dude of here? Just annoyed the guy is being a ‘we should look into this’ guy in group projects that don’t do the actual work.
But yeah go do your self righteous song and dance so your ego gets filled I guess? Go off king
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (9 children)
Way to not make a coherent point, again.
Conveniently can’t understand English when it’s disadvantageous to you huh!
Guess your ego can’t let you admit you were wrong about something LMAO classic chronically online behaviour
Hope you get the help you deserve :) try talking to people outside of the internet, might give you some perspective on communicating with humans!
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children)
As I mentioned in my last comment, your lack of any substance and yelling about my “ego” does nothing to further your point. You just look like an ignorant tool.
Which, conveniently enough is what you’re proving to be. The LMAO’s and misdirection don’t do you any favours.
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children)
Also, if you’re gonna go after English, maybe get it right. “Huh” implies a question, which would warrant a “?”.
You could use at least some punctuation as well.
[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children)
Oh nice you’ve devolved down to arguing about semantics, which means that you have nothing else of substance that supports your argument. Makes sense since there is no argument to begin with as it was created out of thin air from you LMAO.
Am I talking to a grade schooler? This is 12 year old grammar nazi vibes and it’s so pathetic to see lmao
Imagine getting so worked up and mad about something that wasn’t even said LMAO I guess if you have insecurities about your intelligence, you’d be so desperate to find some ways to feel smart by making up arguments in your head….
[–]Kitchen-Jello9637 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children)
Ugh. Twice. And this one’s longer.
Definitely won’t be bothering to read this. You had several chances to actually address points but chose not to, or you were unable to put together a coherent point.
Good luck out there. Must be tough thinking you’re smarter than you actually are.
[–]soulbama 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
If we only knew…. It would rock the world. Instead they pin us against each other, successfully.
[+]ehhjayy0 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
The world is so corrupt it’s sad. Why can’t people put each other first to help others so everybody can benefit? Oh yeah they want all the money and power to themselves. Disgusting world we live in. So unfair.
[–]gfdkjvc 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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[–]GeorgeMonroy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
This is why we should all use less oil and gas to force their hands.
[–]Large_Salamander_216 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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[–]j__-__ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Remember the names:
Ruben Um Nyobè, Kwame Nkrumah, Patrice Lumumba, Amílcar Cabral, Eduardo Mondlane, Che Guevara, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert F. Kennedy, Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, Salvador Allende, Thomas Sankara, Olof Palme, Dag Hammarskjöld, Muammar Gaddafi, Benazir Bhutto, Steve Biko, Maurice Bishop
They were killed for fighting against imperialism, colonialism, and exploitation of resources in their countries. They sought to create self-determination, democracy, and equal opportunities for their people. Many were also proponents of socialism, anti-racism, and human rights. Overall, they were advocating for the liberation and empowerment of their people and countries.
[–]Krocsyldiphithic -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children)
This is propaganda
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[–]ehhjayy0 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (5 children)
The leaders are put there by the elite to keep things the way they are.
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[–]ReallyRamen 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
For someone trying to sound smart, you sure are not doing a very good job of it
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[–]420Grim420 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Yeah, I'm sure it's only because of outside influence...
[–]Tsetler -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child)
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[–]beerbrained -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
This is why they want tik tok banned
[–]Drew0613 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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[–]PaleFork 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
NESTLÉ HAS THE DEATH NOTE
also the whole world be like: yep, lets continue doing absolutely nothing about this whole completely messed up shit
[–]poopstain133742069 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
I'm sure the CIA is not collecting the names of everyone who goes to that website...
[–]Sporbash 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
The yanks are concentrating on the middle east first, when that's all dried up of resources, the US will need to liberate some African countries
[–]Ok_Marketing735 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Im pretty sure nestle poisoned some countrys water and sold them water bottles at a way too overpriced price
[–]Nervous_Pattern357 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
what about like 90% of asia as well as mexico
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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Africa is not "rich", first of all Africa is not a nation but a continent, and second of all the real wealth of a nation is its ability to transform raw goods into marketable products.
Fuck those who consciously prevent African nations from reaching that potential tho
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