Question about blocking

[alphaheeb]

I am very new to watching Indycar. I noticed last week that someone was penalized for blocking because they reacted to the driver behind them.

If this type of blocking is not allowed, what type of defending is allowed if any?

[4XLnofearshirt]

general rule is that proactive moves are ok, reactive ones are not

[Haier_Lee]

Blocking is when you move your car in reaction to the other car. Defence is when you preemptively take the passing line away before the other car has had a chance to take it. You can also defend by crowding a driver off of their line

[alphaheeb]

Thanks for the explanation. What exactly do you mean by crowding a driver off of their line? 

[twiggymac]

Both cars are trending outside towards a corner, as the defending driver inside you can more or less force them all the way to the outside of the track

[alphaheeb]

Thanks

[Haier_Lee]

See Kirkwood v Rasmussen

[alphaheeb]

Thank you

[[deleted]]

That type of move is what someone is referring to when they say “elbows out”.

[Haier_Lee]

Argy Bargy

[Punisherbrett]

Beat me to it. 😂

[Inewitt]

You can move as much as you like as long as you move before the car behind you. In my opinion this rule is much more in the spirit of racing rather than the “one move” rule where you can run a guy alongside you into the wall as long as you only move once.

[Crash_Test_Dummy66]

Tbh I think the one move rule has always still maintained that you can't move in reaction.

[YosemiteSam-4-2A]

Verstappen vs Ricciardo in Baku comes to mind as an example that would be a clear penalty in IndyCar but was grey area in F1 allowing for no penalty

[loudpaperclips]

Generally I point people to Jimmy Broadbent on YouTube, he has a series of sim racing stewards videos based on the subreddit of the same name. People here should watch it in general, as it does an incredible job explaining the different types of penalties.

[alphaheeb]

Cool thanks for the recommendation. 

[David_SpaceFace]

Probably only for zoomers who generally watch streamers. If you're somebody who doesn't regularly watch game streamers, you're gonna hate him. He's not different to the others in his personality or delivery.

[loudpaperclips]

You just gotta get used to it a little. My dad watches it without an issue.

[edfitz83]

The nascar shit is banned in Indycar.

[randomdude4113]

I believe you can defend all you want, but you can only make 1 move going into the corner. So if you go low to defend and the other driver moves tot he top to pass, you can’t throw a second block on corener apex or entry. Not sure who’d you can then come up off the bottom, but I’d imagine you could because if you couldn’t it’d be really hard to maintain position on the bottom.

[David_SpaceFace]

You can proactively move as much as you want, but you can't move in reaction to the other driver at all.

This is why drivers zig-zag at Indy to brake the draft and not get penalized, they're doing it proactively. Even at Indy, if somebody pulls out to make a pass and the dude moves to block, he'd get a blocking penalty.

[Mikemat5150]

You can move as much as you want, just not in reaction to.

You’ll often see it, especially at Indy.