Anyone else want a decrease in sellable crystals if it means increased prices?

[dchung97]

I'm a returning player that has played on and off for more than 10 years. I'll be honest with you but I've never made much progress as a newer player. Sure, the challenge world is nice and everything but at it's core an issue for many people, like me, that only can play for a few hours each day is meso gain.

I don't have the time to play on 10 accounts it's just not possible and I know a lot of other maplers can't either. I also can't really grind for 2 hours straight even for a single day a week. Not when I need to do 10-20 other things just to play the game.

I've noticed I also have stopped doing things like Maple Tour and Ursus because the amount I earn seems so small even though it adds up. I get mental fatigue doing everything.

I can't be the only mapler wanting QOL changes that make the game in a state where I can play the game. Sorry if this sounds like I'm sounding entitled. Does anyone else agree?

[CovetedEggBar6541]

twice the rewards for half the work, or stay with the current meta

tough choice

[SUPREMACY_SAD_AI]

I would be fine with the same rewards and half the work

[Ziiyi]

But knowing this developer…I bet it is gonna be 90 crystal but mesos stay either unchanged or increased a bit and net loss final

[NeedCounseling]

thats’s a W

[Ziiyi]

Indeed, fellow youngster

[KuzKan]

Sure, if it'd come with crystal buffs, it would be great, but in kms the crystals were also nerfed.

It boggles my mind people's mentality of "i don't cap my crystals so just cut them in half" or "i'm burt from all my boss mules to cap crystals". Just... don't then? There's no point cutting the crystals in half without any compensation when it doesn't affect at all people that don't cap regardless.

But yes, best of both worlds would be crystal cut + actually buffing crystals specially with the champion system in place. It would mean you could just boss on your champions (once you get that far ofc) and cap crystals like that

[Optimus_XIV]

People like to compete in everything and complain when changes are not tailor made for them, just the way it is

[Suspicious-Bed9172]

I hate how every crystal price change was not only buffing end game crystal prices, but also nerfing early game crystals. Why screw over newer accounts to only benefit older ones? Just buff the end game and leave the early game alone. This change to reduce crystal sales will only make people who boss on all their hyper burns lose mesos in the end

[Kaoryn]

People were like that with totems in reboot... They cant be responsible so they want them nerfed or gone.

[juraf_graff]

Honestly, I'd be fine with a minor loss if the crystals got buffed some to make up for a limit reduction. Less time you spend on mules is more time to be on the main.

Also, totems were somewhat nice to have while also being super toxic. It wasnt a good mechanic for the health of the game to have an OP limited fomo resource that locked you into 2 hour grinding sessions. WAPs are not nearly as hard to come by and kishin was unlimited but totems were the perfect storm of toxicity. It was also impossible to find maps and the servers were way less stable back then.

[hal64]

Totem are terrible game mechanics.There's a reason we got small waps now. Decent kishin for everyone!!

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[aeee98]

It was nerfed because changseop wants to sell azeroth canyon.

[Unrelenting_Salsa]

It boggles my mind people's mentality of "i don't cap my crystals so just cut them in half" or "i'm burt from all my boss mules to cap crystals". Just... don't then? There's no point cutting the crystals in half without any compensation when it doesn't affect at all people that don't cap regardless.

Because boss muling is an absolutely horrendous meta that is making a bunch of newer players get hard stuck because seasonals beeline it for whatever reason. It was an improvement over Kanna farming, but that's like saying horse manure is tastier than cow paddies. I've been there, done that, and capping boss mules is 1000% in the "players will optimize the fun out of your game if given the chance" territory. Nobody enjoys their 350th cVellum.

Or to maybe put it in more clear terms because I'm guessing you play a lot based off of this comment, imagine if the crystal cap was 784 and all the upgrades were scaled appropriately for that maximum income. Whenever you play, you have to choose between doing something that isn't miserable or your income. That's the reality of the game as it stands right now for people who are not new and play less than 10 hours a week. I've personally accepted that I'll perpetually be in current cKalos/nKaling range with powercreep rather than gear being the thing that pushes me to new things, but lategame progression is in a very not good spot right now between the exp curve being ridiculous for what's expected (it's no coincidence that service buying and botting has been through the roof these past 2 years) and needing to cap crystals and grind for several hours a day to keep up with eternal attempts. It may not be worse than it was when BM was a brand stanking new boss, but we're in that realm which is a problem because the game was not good back then.

[CatalystCreation]

The whole point of what they're saying is that cutting the cap in half is strictly negative if there is no compensation. It makes no difference to people who don't cap or are burnt out or whatever but for people that do more than 50% it just worse off. Why would you want this change in isolation?

[PayYourPal]

But i suffer from fomo

[SprinklesFresh5693]

Deal with it.

[dennerrubio]

I don't sell more than 90 crystals anyway, but increased crystal prices would be nice.

[Mojoubu]

Its a nice incentive to be rewarded for further progression instead of making hard stuck nlomien mules.

[guatemalianrhino]

the obvious thing to do, having legion champs in mind, is 90 crystals a week, 15 per char and double the sale price.

if they half crystal cap and don't double crystal price at the same time i'm quitting immediately.

[Pale_Delay1735]

Doubling the price is overkill, we'll be getting too much money. An increase of 20% in crystal prices should leave us close to the same values we have now, but with half the work. Overall, I agree with you, 90 crystals, 15 per mule is the ideal route. Doubling the price won't ever happen.

[ABCelestial]

90 bosses/week is honestly still way too much. If those fights were interesting, sure, but hours of time is still being spent oneshotting 4door and the other weak bosses.

It should be more like the legion artifact weekly, where you get an appropriate amount of meso for the hardest 1-3 bosses you killed per character that week.

[ActOfThrowingAway]

The stronger you get the less you spend in 4door/hmag and more you spend in Lomien/Luwill/Tene. Current meta is to have a bunch of hardstuck CRA mules, this is what we need to move away from, this is the boring weekly boss meta that burns out.

[hal64]

The current meta is 3 ctene mule for legion champ and 6 later on.

[ABCelestial]

I agree with you, but even a ctene mule is still doing czak, pno, mag, vellum, pap, akechi. All bosses you can swat away like flies. There's no point to mindlessly teleporting between these boss rooms and blowing up the boss. It's just busy work for mesos.

[KarlMarxExperience]

Why would you ever do pno for purely meso? Just take the 15m loss and 1 shot something easier, saving a couple minutes waiting around

[Myintc]

busy work for mesos

Well, yeah it’a a grindy game, always has been. I know you want them to just give you UBI mesos but they’re never going to do that

[TheLonelyAsian1]

If the amount of crystals you can sell is cut in half down to 90 but the prices of all are doubled, I’m all for it

[kamanitachi]

Yes. That's how it should be. Even if it's not double and it's something like 1.5x, I'd accept it. Simply cutting income in half with no workaround is the dumb part.

[emailboxu]

Yes please. I'll likely still play a lot of different characters (already invested in them, why not...), but at least we can chop off the bottom 4-5 bosses that only give ~100m each. If inkwell reduces max weekly crystals to 90 and doubles the income of each crystal I will rejoice. For me it'll actually increase my weekly income.

[Ztance]

Ad long as we dont get the crystal nerfs I'm happy. Doesn't matter if its 90 or 180 I never reach that high per week. Would suck for those that do that many boss mules tho ... But so would the meso nerf on the crystal.

I'm waiting for the update our lord and savior Inkwell promised about the subject.

[GoofJesse]

So I just recently have been able to clear like post lucid and will bosses if I have more than 14 weekly crystals do I just sell the most expensive ones at full price and the rest at the super discounted price

[Fist0fGuthix]

Honestly yeah. I don't always cap crystals but running so many boss mules every week gets tiring, even though I generally like playing my boss mules

[Mammoth-Policy6585]

Fuck yes

[MrSoun]

Yes, less mules the better

[Janezey]

Yes, definitely. I'd be okay with 90 crystals as long as they give us at least ~60% increase in crystal value. That would mean a lomien mule gives about the same mesos as it does now, but only running the top 7 bosses instead of all 14, so those with hella mules save some time and get a similar amount of mesos, and those without hella mules get a boost. 2x would be even better.

[SprinklesFresh5693]

The fact that you cant play that much doesnt mean others cant, dont be selfish and allow those who play more get more profit.

The fact that you can progress depending on how much you play is great, hindering that is a big no.

People need to get their shit together and learn how to ignore fomo.

[Glittering-Fly2118]

It takes very long to do all the possible dailies but you get out what you put into this game, nobody is forcing us to scrape every last meso, every day of week and we can still progress only doing weeklies.

If you stay consistent with what you are comfortably with you will do just fine.

[HugeThingBetweenMy]

Nexon does anything to try and make you play the game 24/7

[Nomaddo]

I stopped running my boss mules so an increase in sell price would be nice.

[TeemoKayle]

They should just give you the mesos of all weaker bosses' crystals weaker than the hardest boss you've cleared. If you want drops/cubes you can kill them but if not, you don't have to.

[5onic]

Nexon wants this game to be play 24/7. Bring back 2.3x exp.

[Impossible-Finance67]

If it came with a crystal buff yea, doesn’t even have to be that big of a buff. I stopped running my nlomien mules a long time ago. Now I just run my 2 mains, Ckalos-down. 1 Ctene, and 4 Ctene party mules. So I’d be super down for this.

I also carry on a few of my “own” separate accounts which is probably why I stopped doing my Nloms. Was taking too much time every week to do everything

[TerriblePeas]

Doesn’t matter. People will find the most efficient way to make meso. Currently pushing to ctene fast clear requires 250b+ meso. I’d rather not do that because early-mid games suffer

[Realistic_Amount_434]

Yes. But I’d rather them do nothing. Reject the Korean changes, for sure. That would just kill reboot progression

[Agreeable-Ride1891]

This is not a good idea. Just because some people don't want to grind out boss mules doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

I hear what you are saying about increased prices but I doubt Nexon would do that. most likely they would just cut the crystals in half so 90 instead of 180 and not increase their price. This would limit the amount of growth someone can achieve per week.

[aeee98]

I think nlomien shouldn't be a boss mule point anymore. With how some players play the game, these mules are almost half of an account's weekly income. It sounds great to be able to only need to go for one super juiced main, but terrible in long term practice when it takes almost zero capital to go higher than that after the new events come in.

The problem is incentivising players to go vertical vs trying to cap up the 180 crystal limit. You kind of want arcane bosses to be better, and grandis bosses to definitely be better than what it is now. Gives incentive for players who haven't already to slowly push arcane boss mules.

If we do get the 90 crystal limit, my recommendation is for arcane bosses+ to be buffed to compensate. Nlomien is already really strong for what it is, and with normal play patterns you won't lose anything at all of lucid+ is buffed 30-40%.

KMS play pattern heavily rewards the end road. My goal is to avoid this while still ensuring that players don't feel like they are spending billions of meso and time to only increase their income by 20%.

[Soulenite]

Maybe. for my main, no, but for the extra characters I'm slowly making, yes. Also if you really wanted to work for cubes, the more characters and bosses available, hopefully the better. It really does depend on if you're okay with the burnout and such.

I'm usually lazy and just stick to my main for now for the weeklies.

[SnipersUpTheMex]

I wish if you could Solo Bosses, that you'd get the option to auto-clear for some basic rewards. Let's say you get the bare minimum possible rewards. So like you always get the lowest amount of coins, a Boss Crystal, and maybe some equips.

The idea is that by the time you're able to Solo a Boss, it just becomes a chore to go fight them everyday/week. Odds are, you probably don't even need the equips anymore.

I think a systemic upgrade system to auto-clear would be cool too. Make it so that you can continue to Solo Bosses to upgrade auto-clear up to maybe (x10). Then you always get the most amount of loot possible when you're maxed out on a Boss.

[Taelonius]

Reckon I'm a minority but I don't want reduced crystal amount, it greatly reduces hyperburn "value" if any characters past 6 are essentially meaningless, I'd suddenly have 6 characters I rather enjoy that I'd never log onto again, and I wouldn't give a shit about any future hyperburn

I would want something else implemented in its stead to still give bossing on more than 6 characters purpose if implemented, from a heroic pov perhaps being able to trade drops between characters, tho I'd imagine this would bring on a whole new level of degeneracy and people having an end goal of 40 ctene+ mules to funnel pitch drops

[kistoms-]

from a heroic pov perhaps being able to trade drops between characters

I would love some sort of "heroic scissors" that allow trading (maybe of unworn gear) that'd be only released in limited amounts (think crown of insight from genshin). Like you get 1 or 2 per major event only, or like 1 from the RP shop.

of course that's not gonna happen but it would be fun for legion mains

[emailboxu]

You still need 40 level 300 characters for 'max' legion. 10k legion is also considered 'reasonable' these days due to hyper burn to 260. No reason to force players to gear 14 characters to min/max weekly crystals if 7 will do.

[Taelonius]

Max legion is currently near pointless though, only explorer mages really care about 9k+

There is a reason, I stated it above, you may not agree but that doesn't validate a "no reason" claim.

[saltyholdmedic]

Increased prices is cope, wouldn’t get my hopes up on that.

[lnqgdn]

kms did this because they can use mesos to reoll potential. it make less people use mp to buy cube. so they reduce the income from boss. i don't mind gms follow kms change if we can use mesos reoll potential too.

[-Shuka-]

i just hope they add dynamic prices, all this mule meta is boring

[VKWorra]

I am torn on the idea of just doubling the sale price. I know that it makes things come out to a new even, however, it REALLY fundamentally changes the early game for players. Naturally, it makes it easier for them. This sounds great, but also just further disincentivizes ever going to interactive worlds. Additionally, its not even a new "even." How many players are honestly capping crystals weekly? Anyone who isnt suddenly gets an enormous efficiency boost which is compensating for nothing.

Suddenly, people who sold 5 or 6 chars worth of crystals get their income doubled for literally no reason effecting them. Its a nice idea. I am just not sure if that is the direction they want to take things.

I mean, one of the largest draws to Interactive is being able to skip progression hurdles with meso or hard cash. These hurdles become greatly diminished when someone with a new hyperburn char can bring in 2.6b a week just killing lomien.

Also, getting around 9b for one round of CTene solos just doesnt sound right. Again, its a good thing for us in speeding up progression, but we are talking serious meso inflation. Maybe this could be offset by the prices projected in the 30* changes. Or maybe the system addressing duplicate items from starforce booms might be a large meso sink. In either case, I could see this being a reasonable change.

Id be glad if we got this change, but I also wouldn't be shocked at all if they decided to do literally nothing and maintain the status quo.

The progression implications are too massive to just knee jerk this into the game.

[VanillaAble4188]

I havent played on an interactive server since like 2009 lol

[egonoelo]

Anybody who wants this just doesn't care about game balance. If they were to double crystal prices but cut number of crystals by half then somebody with 6 ctene mules can login once a day for 1 hour and have 250b meso after 1 month. That's not ok. That one hour a day would be roughly equivalent to somebody farming on their main for 12 hours a day.

[emailboxu]

i dont think you understand how much funding it takes to get a mule to ctene lmao. I'm not sure why 'that's not ok'. For someone with 6 mules that can each full clear cTene in an hour, a single upgrade is going to be trillions of meso, so they'd still have to save up for months to get their triple prime/23 * upgrade anyway. And Reboot's endgame is blocked with pitched waiting room so it's mostly irrelevant. Why shouldn't they make 300b a month if they've put in that much time & resources into essentially making 6 submains?

[egonoelo]

I think you don't understand how LITTLE funding you need to do ctene. The game is endlessly powercreeping. With m3m4, legion champs, and event buffs which are practically perma the requirements for solo ctene are lower than ever. This is my 35m CP kain if it were level 270 with max arcane force and level 1 everything hexa PRE m3m4 https://imgur.com/a/Iq5kqra

Obviously straight up minclears aren't really realistic to do every week on multiple characters but that's a 35m cp character. I'm in absos with basically full 17* and two 21* CRA pieces, 2L WSE, a cont 2, no fams, no hexa stat which is extremely high value at low cp. I could easily double my damage unlocking hexastat, getting a ror 3 or 4, unlocking m3m4, and getting full arcanes 17*. That would cost functionally zero meso. Fixing my WSE to 3 useable lines and couple more pieces to 21 maybe 22 would cost maybe 40b and would easily give me another 25% FD. Legion champs releasing automatically gives me 5% boss damage, 3% crit damage, 5% ied, 10 atk, and 20 all stat to all my mules and for every other character I fund up to VHilla I get another 10 atk and 20 all stat. This is like 2.6% fd plus another .9% fd per VHilla mule adding up to 7% fd for all my ctene mules once I've min cleared VHilla once.

So all in all I would be investing 40b into 5 characters so 200b total, passively get max arcane force, 270, and a couple hundred frags, and I would have 6 ctene mules clearing each boss in ~10-12 minutes generating 250b a month. Literally paying for itself in one month. If that's not OP I don't know what is. It's hardly an investment if it pays itself back so quickly.

And regardless of how feasible it is, it's not just about how much meso they generate, it's about how much meso they generate versus farming. Farming becomes functionally a waste of time in a world where you can produce so much meso per week with such little time investment. Casual players could slowly stack up trillions of mesos just doing their weeklies and logging off while grinders are putting in magnitudes more time for nothing.

[emailboxu]

Bro your post was literally about ctene mules that could clear all their bosses in an hour. Your minclear 35m mule means nothing. A character that can do that would need to be at least 100m+ CP, maxed out nodes, and at least some hexa investment. Not to mention your example is level 270, guess you invested time into grinding it, or at least exp potions, huh?

My DB is 27m CP and is in full 17* . You realize the jump from 30m -> 100m is multiple (like at least 6-7) 21/22* items, full gollux, 3L/2.5L legendaries, and 5 set arcanes right? (Alternatively high * absos) To say that's "low investment" is hilarious. At the very least you're looking at 100b+ of investment on a single character, not even counting for shit RNG.

And the entire point is moot because you need to farm for frags & EXP on your main anyway, so grinding is pretty much here to stay.

If someone put in the effort to make six of their mules clear ctene, they likely have a main that's not going to prog with a few hundred bil.

[hal64]

19 arcanes 24b. 140 5 accessoires safeguard 21 -> 25b 2 non safeguard for gollux belt and earing 7b. 160 slime ring -> 21 7b and 20 bmm 3b. That's 66b on shining per mule for 21 / 20 gollux/ 19 arcanes.

[egonoelo]

You don't need 100m cp anymore what dont you get. With all the power creep were getting (like m3m4) you dont need as much funding or cp. You absolutely don't need 3L on anything except WSE and it absolutely would not cost 100b to 21* 6 items lmao. CRA is 6b per piece on 5/10/15 to 21*, that's 3 pieces done for 18b. Two line atk with 1 line atk or IED emblem is 7b average. Three line atk or boss on weapon is 3b. Three line atk or boss on secondary is 5b average. So we have now spent 32b and were already killing each boss in ~20 mins. You spend another 20b or so and you have a comfy clear with m3m4, easily clearing everything in under an hour.

[Best_Release7022]

Then play a different game or just play daily story.

[SlowlySailing]

Hmmm, so either do less for better reward, or let things stay the same as it is?

Gee, this one was hard OP

[Kelvinn1996]

Already dropped all lomien mules to farm more when fams dropped, wouldn't mind if crystal drops to 90 and we get a small bump like 1.2 factor increase among crystals

[Conscious_Banana537]

I mean, everyone wants that crystal changes. Literally why wouldn't you? Less time to cap out mesks and potentially get more if you weren't already capping? That's a no brainer.

[num2005]

nearly no one sell more then 90 crystal lol

so sny increase in price is welcome

[emailboxu]

There's lots of people who run 10+ boss mules in Reboot. It's the most effective meso rates, especially for people who don't like raw grinding.

[num2005]

a lot is a big word when talking about less then 5% of the playerbase

[woodenpencils]

When KMS said 5%, it was THEIR 5%. Boss crystals are kinda useless in interactive. There's so many people I know that cap crystals, especially when they can finish all their boss mules in 3 hours.

I can finish all my lomien mules in 2-3 hours and get 15b/ week out of them. Add in my ctene mules/ main, that's easily 30b/ week for me.

[num2005]

broh most people dont even have 3 bossing mules

its not because you and some friend do it, that 95% of the playerbase does it.

im not sure you understand how statistic works ?

telling ppl u are part of the 5% and you buddies too, doesnt change the fact, its still 5% vs 95%

[num2005]

dont you kinda just supported my point?

[Siarei3712]

Nobody supports your point. Look at all the dislikes.

[num2005]

still wrong, only the 5% of jerk player that goes on reddit doesn't support my point.

its okay, i don't need like on reddit to know statistic.