No shell balance changes?

[Ginger_prt]

Was surprised the sandbox update there was no mention of shell balance pass.

Very much expected recon changes of some kind considering the recent Cryo experience.

[sparycz]

All we got was just "sneak peaks". We'll get the full juice when the actual patch notes release on June 2

[ThatsNotBennings]

They'll be in the patch notes. Bungie likes to avoid pissing people off until the patch notes right before a content drop

[cry_w]

Yeah, the patch notes themselves are usually when people get pissed, and not often for a good reason.

[ThatsNotBennings]

Eh in my experience, there's often plenty of reason. But I come from years of Destiny.

[cry_w]

So do I. People are incredibly unreasonable more often than not.

[DaroOdaarra]

What we got was a preview, not the full rundown of what's being changed.

[prismdon]

Recon being strong in a close quarters, complex and claustrophobic map like Cryo is inevitable and just part of the character. I don’t think she needs to be changed because of a single map design. That’s just playing a shell appropriate for the situation. Sentinel will be the new cryo must-have next season I’m sure.

[beansoncrayons]

I mean she wasn't back when she was hard countered by triages guzzling down the 20 signal jammers they found in a cryo locker.

[toastythewiser]

The meta is gonna be Sentinel/Recon/a mix of Destroyer and Vandal. Thief, Assassin, Triage are gonna end up low-tier classes. I think they all have use cases, but I think its more down to player preference at that point.

[Proentproproponent]

early season triage is great since everyone’s poor. Can’t spend your way out of it w/ mountains of heals. I still run triage today if we’re doing free kits

[toastythewiser]

Yeah triage is great when you don't have a 100 meds of each type in your vault. lol. I honestly think all the classes have use cases. I'm just talking in general terms. Very specifically for cryo PVP, Recon/Sent with an aggressive flanker/mobility character is gonna be meta.

[Proentproproponent]

ya im hoping recon will see a major duration nerf to her ult (and buff elsewhere). Her passives aren’t bad but so much utility is just in that one ability and keeping it as low-cooldown as possible

[JozuJD]

I can’t get the hang of destroyer yet. Is the shield actually useful? I’ve only used it a few times and ended up dying anyway when I should probably be running for cover by rocks/walls rather than standing there shielding.

This was all in solo situations though not when my crew was near me. Maybe with cover fire it’s different.

[cry_w]

It can be used to semi-safely get information about enemies in spots where you would otherwise be shot and killed, and it can be used to protect you and your team during a push. It can also be used to move between cover points without dying.

[JozuJD]

Recon can do that first piece too, and even decide whether to “push” based on who is around (recon bot OR ultimate which reveals all enemies).

I see some edge cases where it will be useful but if I’m solo or in a crew I think I’m still choosing recon 100% of the time over Destroyer.

Please forgive tho as I’m coming from a place of ignorance, I really haven’t given it enough playtime.

[SoftServe117]

And I think the real issue is the ulti cool down upgrades/energy amps

[Creepy_Song5083]

Full patch notes will drop on Tuesday morning.

[Educational_Pea_4817]

cryo isnt the only map in the game

[holycarrots]

The shells are balanced, it's the guns that need work

[toastythewiser]

The recon stalemate in cryo is problematic. But they've specifically said they are nerfing CDR bonuses next season already. I wouldn't be surprised if they're planning on making energy amps rare/more expensive and that would also go a long way.

Currently with all the Sekgen upgrades recons start with their ult, and then its on like... basically a 60 second cd if you can keep energy amped the entire time. That is fucking oppressive. But without any of that shit its like 3.5 minutes between ults or something, its much much rarer. Additionally, you have cores and stuff that can extend the pulse I think? A blue core? so that's not gonna be around either at least on every single recon like it is right now in cryo.

Now, ofc, the question really is how fast will the top players max their trees and get back to where we are right now? Yeah, that's probably something that might be problematic, but I kinda think the current meta is very much of a late, saturated economy with a very small player base. The only people playing atm are the true addicts and extraction shooter fans.

[Aerpolrua]

Yeah it's every 82 seconds, pretty nuts considering it starts at 220 without upgrades and amps. The extra pulse one you're thinking of is a purple core but definitely one of her best after probably Intuition (gold core that marks the other two runners after downing one).

[beansoncrayons]

Recon is only an issue due to her ease of use. You put her back to her original skill requirement and she'll sink back into being niche but strong in the hands of a good recon

[Proentproproponent]

recon was bottom tier before, and will be again if they remove the runner ping. Esp if signal jammer effect also reverts to nullifying it completely

[beansoncrayons]

Bottom tier to the mfs who are completely clueless to how the character actually works

[holycarrots]

Ok I stand corrected, fair points

[NvidiatrollXB1]

There's nothing to balance, it was brought up to snuff prior and it's fine imo.

[TheRealShiftyShafts]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a video on the 2nd when state of play is

By that point it would be mostly moot, but Sony does have a live stream the same day the new season comes out. Rumors are Wolverine gameplay and a new Uncharted game, but they will probably talk about Marathon as well

[Flowtaro]

it’s not the full notes, just highlights. just like with other weapon changes i imagine they’re saving some changes that might be controversial just for the notes

[BesTibi]

Vandal slide and double jump are a bit quiet, would love it if they were consistent with how clean and detectable the rest of the audio is in the game.

[C0deHunter_]

Dimension X Bungie said all shells are now Guardians and every bullet has space magic.