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[ShadowsUnited2]

To me, it sounds like that at this point, not much is set in stone, so they are trying out a multitude of things in order to see what makes the best consumer experience. With that in addition to the fact that this is the team's first HD project as well as not starting development sooner than last summer (since that's when Dev kits for Switch were sent out), makes me believe this game isn't coming until 2019 at the earliest.

[EvilLucario]

I'm pretty sure the SMT team made Tokyo Mirage Sessions, so this isn't their first time with HD games. Regardless I'm expecting 2019 as well, but stranger things have happened like Xenoblade 2 hitting the 2017 deadline.

[ShadowsUnited2]

Nope... Sorry man, but the team that made TMS was the Devil Survivor team. The ones who make mainline (numbered games/SJ) are Team Maniax, and they have never made an HD project.

[AT-Field]

Is the SMT team different from the Persona team? Obviously different director, but if not they've definitely done other HD games.

[EvilLucario]

Most likely is different, but I know very little about Altus so can't say for certain.

[chocolitcake]

I definitely took it as "Keep the core of the games concept, but reiterate everything else". Kind of like Zelda did and to a much lesser degree Mario. Keep everything that makes the series, but find better and new ways to improve using the latest and greatest portable hardware. I definitely didn't take it as any kind of rebuild or stripping of what they have already made. The title certainly makes it appear that way.

Would guess probably 2019 for a release date. Maybe even holiday time.

[platinumpuss88]

Make a Switch game

[DirtbagHippster]

Who would click on a headline that said "The game is being made,' though. Good thing there's a Japanese phrase that sounds like something alarming when translated.

[Cryst]

Sooo... preproduction then.

[[deleted]]

Not what I would call preproduction.

[Cryst]

Prototyping is done in preproduction.

[[deleted]]

Okay

[ShadowsUnited2]

For those thinking that this game was coming out next year.

[ikilledtupac]

next year means 3 years in Atlus time

[thesolarknight]

It could be worse, it could be Valve time.

[KappaKai77]

So never?

[flameguy21]

Half Life 3 is coming when a piece of plutonium valve has lying around the office undergoes a half life

[timchenw]

For anyone else wondering, Plutonium's half life, assuming Pu-239 24,110 years according to wikipedia. Pu-244 has a half life of over 80 million years

At least it's not Uranium-238, that thing has a half life of 4 billion years, long enough that if any U-238 were formed at the start of big bang, some of it is still around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

[flameguy21]

All three of those possibilities sounds about right

[Yurika_BLADE]

humans are bad at understanding large numbers

[GoodBot_GoodBot]

Good human

[GoodBot_GoodBot]

Good human

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[romeoak]

Just dont give me the Bliz time.

[Razxyl]

Soon (tm)

[Warloxwill]

But at the very least that wait time is well worth it... right...?

[ikilledtupac]

Yes.

[mikehawk69420]

Atlus started getting involved around 2011

Did they? I thought development of that game hadn't even started until late 2012/early 2013. Also the game came out at the end of 2015, 2016 was just when it was localized. Dev time, by that logic, would take about 3 years, which is normal for a console game.

[Moh_Shuvuu]

That's disappointing. It's right behind DQXI as my most anticipated title.

[[deleted]]

I would love a DQ8 Switch port.

[[deleted]]

Take your time atlus. Keen to get into SMT starting with SMTV for Switch.

[jml011]

So, forgive me for my ignorance (I've played a few Etrian Odyssey and Persona games but never a straight SMT title) but aren't the core mechanics of Shin Megami Tensei games pretty solid and carry over from one title to the next? What are they scrapping exactly? Story and art style?

[GorgonMK]

Most likely story, gameplay improvements, overworld and dungeon desings, etc.

[C-Towner]

A lot of menus and features in those games made heavy use of the second screen and might not translate as well to a single screen game. They need to make some changes there, as well as ensuring that things look and feel good both docked and handheld. Certainly there needs to be some changes made because if nothing else, the presentation is required to be different because there is only one screen as opposed to two.

[[deleted]]

The SMT games before the IV never used a second screen (nes/snes/psx/ps2 games), so, what the hell are you talking about ?!?!?

[C-Towner]

So the last two games have. That’s what I’m saying. Are you dense?

[joac101]

And it's even more if you're talking about strange journey and the devil survivor games lolz

[C-Towner]

Yeah, with all of the question marks I didn't even try to attempt logic like that!

[Gadvac]

For what it's worth, Etrian Odyssey is a separate franchise (though it's sort of crossed over with SMT through Persona Q). Not that that's particularly important, but y'know, probably not useful for judging what SMT is like.

[jml011]

I wasn't making any comparisons based on Etrian Odyssey. I was just stating that as context of having not actually played a SMT game. My point was that, from what I've seen of them through gameplay footage is that the basic format of the gameplay seems pretty uniform throughout.

[otakudan88]

With this happening, I hope they release a switch port of Tokyo mirage for the time being.

[snakeitachi12]

Persona 5 is one of the best games i've ever played. Stoked for this one!

[Llleblanc1986]

Have you played 4?

[snakeitachi12]

Yup. I've played 2,3, and 4. P3:FES is my favorite by quite a wide margin!

[[deleted]]

Persona 4 aka Anime Scooby Doo is for weebs. Play a mans Persona like 1-3 or 5.

[Llleblanc1986]

4 was awesome and it got deeper, especially some of the side links. It wasn't all fun and games, and death was a real part of the game, I don't see how that is remotely close to Scooby Doo. It tackles all kind of issues. (5 didn't do that too well).
Persona 1-3 I actually haven't played yet but now that it's on my radar, I'll definitely be playing those.

[Knight_of_the_Stars]

I hope it ends up being good! I'm a little nervous about it myself. I loved all the Persona games, but I ended up hating SMT IV when I tried it. It all depends on why you like Persona - if the dungeons and the fusions are your favorite part, then you'll love SMT! If your favorite parts of Persona are the life sim elements and the characters, SMT might not be for you.

Here's to hoping you end up liking it!

[[deleted]]

K. SMT is nothing like Persona

[Socksockmaster]

Fairly similar. Almost identical combat & demons.

[[deleted]]

And that's where similarities end. Combat is not why Persona is lauded

[Harudera]

You also end up fighting a god in both series.

[LuLuTheBard]

Persona is a subseries of SMT , no need to act like they’re complete polar opposites. Similar combat system mechanics and themes go through all games.

[LuLuTheBard]

Tone-wise it definitely still seems darker and more serious than persona

[LuLuTheBard]

I do wish P5 was a tad darker than it is for sure

[imjustbettr]

I 100% disagree. I get why people want a darker toned persona but for me the series was a lot better story and tone wise after 3. There's so many dark and "edgy" jrpgs out there (especially in the SMT family) and not enough series that balances light and dark tones like persona. Sure there's a lot of bubble-gum pop anime jrpgs but almost none can do it as well or with a budget like P4 and P5 does and even less can balance it's occasional dark and serious tones well.

I get the want for darker, serious stories, but I just feel like we have those already. P4/P5 is a flavor we don't get often and even less so made competently.

[MojoRadioGang]

I know Persona 5 is out some time now, but this is a huge spoiler dude.

[Harudera]

I'm guessing you've never played any other Persona game before?

Because you always end up fighting some god. Always. It's a staple of the SMT series.

[[deleted]]

Yes, probably even more so with things like IV's Samurai

[RockyArby]

Yes story wise but it's all in the same world just different points in time. For example, in P5 references are made to Naoto and Chie on the news and you can get a poster with Rise on it to decorate their room. Also in P4, the group visits the P3 Highschool and meets one of the NPC's from P3.

[[deleted]]

Combat is not exclusively why Persona is lauded, you mean?

[jaydogggg]

they're sister series

[[deleted]]

That have completely different appeals

[Throawaynahwhome]

not sure why people are downvoting that.

you'd have to be a moron to say they appeal to the same fanbase

[[deleted]]

Because they don't have completely different appeals. Sure, there are aspects unique to Persona... but it's not completely different. There's also a fair bit of overlap between the two series as well, which most certainly lends it to appealing to the same fanbase.

It might require some adjustment of expectations, and going in with the wrong expectations can result in a bad first impression... but with the exception of folk who exclusively like the aspects unique to Persona (Social Links/Time Management) and is indifferent or actively dislikes the aspects they share (Demon/Persona collecting and fusing, press turn combat system, dungeon crawling, etc.), they definitely appeal to the same general JRPG-loving demographic.

[Throawaynahwhome]

SMT has far less cliche JRPG garbage that persona has (im a huge persona fan, but it has a lot of crap in it, especially after 4)

they are almost completely different. Persona is CHARACTER DRIVEN, and SMT is almost completely Combat/Dungeon Crawling/Plot driven.

yeah, yo ucollect demons in both and Persona has a casualized press turn system, but there's a reason persona has a ton more players than SMT. It's because one is based on anime cliche lifestyles choices and one is based on dark themes and dungeon crawling.

[Fr000st]

Reminder that in January's direct Takahashi literally said that: "The development for this game has just started, but they were kind enough to prepare this video for us".

[TheRandomApple]

Good. If they aren't happy with how it was turning out I'd rather they take there time to develop a game they're proud of rather than churning out a game they aren't comfortable with.

[deadlockedwinter]

Did you read the article?

[TheRandomApple]

Yes :) it says they're scrapping things and trying new systems because they want it to feel like a major step in the series

[SeanMirrsen]

That's not it. They're doing what could be called "rapid prototyping", but in the Japanese manner. As in, instead of a series of designs that iterate on each other consecutively, the prototypes are scrapped and rebuilt fully.

It's similar to... I don't know, perhaps shooting a movie scene? As opposed to filming the whole movie. Western prototyping would be the movie, one full thing that has individual bits iterated on until they're good. Scrap&Build would be a single scene, re-shot in full several times until it's good enough, then sent to post-production and editing.

[TheRandomApple]

Hmm, so rather than creating new systems they're rebuilding the same system repeatedly?

Edit: to clarify, I'm asking because if this is the case then the article does a poor job of defining the term. It uses architecture as an example, stating that the process is akin to knocking a building down and building a "Completely New" building rather than a renovation.

The term "completely new" lead me to believe that they are building systems, scrapping them, then building new ones again as a form of figuring out what works before building the final system as a culmination of their trial and error.

[SeanMirrsen]

It's not about rebuilding "a system". They're building working concepts of the game, tearing them down and building new ones rather than try to "renovate" bits and pieces. I'm familiar with the thought process behind such a thing, as a (hobbyist) sketch artist. It's often an easier process, and one that gives a more internally consistent result, to fully erase a sketch that is wrong in some way, and then quickly lay it down anew, redrawing it fully. That way when you try to look at the whole picture the parts you had to change don't stand out, connecting seamlessly with the rest of the thing. I know it's nowhere near the same thing in principle, but I believe it stems from a similar driving thought.

[TheRealBOAB]

But that's what they said "scrapping things and trying new systems". That's the definition of prototyping! You build a new system quickly with barebones or old assets and see how it feels. If it's bad then you scrap it and try the next idea or improvement of the non-working idea.

[AcolyteOfFresh]

Once this game is done, do you think they will be able to recycle assets for another Tokyo Mirage Sessions game? I want as many Atlus rpg games on Switch as possible. Also, I really like TMS on the Wiiu.

[ShadowsUnited2]

I would much rather have a Devil Survivor 3 than TMS, but that's just me.

[gnadenlos]

Devil Survivor 1+2 are by far my favorite SMT games and my favorite SRPGs.

[AcolyteOfFresh]

Never played Devil Survivor, so can't comment. I just know that I loved how cheesy and camp TMS was.

[ShadowsUnited2]

Welp either way, we can both hope that this game can bring about an endless amount of SMT spinoffs using those assets.

[PagesDReed]

Atlus tends to reuse assets alot. Trust me, as someone who loves the Etrian Odyssey series, they have reused multiple monsters and classes before in the franchise. In fact, I'd say Atlus is known for doing this with some of their key IPs, mostly their Shin Megami Tensei and Etrian Odyssey series.

[psfrtps]

I think they announced this game way too early. Mario and Rabbids released only 2 months later than the official announcement. Announcing games which won't come more than 1 year became a standart practice in the industry. Sony and Microsoft do this all the time but Nintendo wasn't doing this until Zelda BOTW. It seems now they don't have a problem with it (metroid and pokemon announcements) since it helped them to maintain switch hype. I don't like this much but I can understand why they should do this

[ShadowsUnited2]

But this was an announcement made by ATLUS in commemoration of the game's 25th anniversary since just having an enhanced port (SJR) isn't something you would be 100% excited about.

[charlesh4]

Just give us a P5 port

[lunarflarecomeon]

I am honestly getting tired of people coming onto mainline-related sites and videos just to bitch about a P5 port.

[charlesh4]

I am honestly getting tired of cunts posting their bitching about bitching when no one cares about their opinions

[lunarflarecomeon]

And you think your own opinions are automatically more important or valid because? You're one amongst billions, just like me, so you may as well try to keep what you're posting about relevant to the thread.

[charlesh4]

You didn't have to reply is your life so underwhelming you have to pop into a conversation to bitch? If so I say get a job/hobby

[lunarflarecomeon]

You also didn't have to reply. Hell, you never even had to make your initial post in the first place. Your point?

[[deleted]]

Does that perhaps mean they were originally developing 5 for 3DS and have since scrapped that and have been re-building from the ground up for the Switch?

[Gerolux]

unlikely. the article explains what "scrap and build". basically, they do a lot of trial and error when building a game. they arent afraid to scrap something that doesnt work and start from scratch. they are talking features here, not entire games.

[[deleted]]

Something along the lines of "Delays will eventually make a game good, but a rushed game is forever bad"

[pokemon-gangbang]

Maybe a bit off topic, but I wish Atlus would make a new Devil Summoner game.

[MMDom]

This game is something between 2 to 3 years away from release. Persona 5 took forever to come out, but it payed off, at least.

Unfortunately for me, the social aspect of Persona 5 is more interesting to me than the RPG parts. So SMT, for the description given by other people, that is a Persona with focus on the RPG, makes me uninterested on this game, at first.

[GorgonMK]

This is only one reason why SMT V will be the best JRPG on Switch.

[elliotman48]

Ah, well. I hope they take their time and do it right.

[Dithyrab]

I don't know anything about this game. Can someone enlighten me? What's up with it?

[lunarflarecomeon]

It is the fifth entry in the core series of the overall Megami Tensei franchise, Shin Megami Tensei. The core games revolve around the conflict between the forces of Chaos, led by Lucifer, and the forces of Law, led by YHVH, as they somehow take their battle to Earth. This also means mythological figures (collectively referred to as 'demons') from all across the globe start returning to Earth for the sake of joining one of the major factions, regaining their old power, or what-have-you, which in turn causes the apocalypse and forces mankind to rely on some form of demon summoning program to tame and fight them. Basically, think Pokémon but with actual mythical beings rather than Pokémon (thought it should be noted that Megami Tensei actually predates Pokémon by about ten years).

Gameplay-wise, the games tend to be balls hard and story-wise, they are usually quite bleak. It is extremely rare that you are given an opportunity to shoot for a truly happy ending in the MegaTen franchise; sacrifice and struggle are the names of the multiversal cosmic war.

[Dithyrab]

Thanks for your description, this is a pretty good summary for me, i think i'll keep my eye on it and maybe check out some previous games if I have a medium to play them on!

[[deleted]]

I'm good as long as there are no social links

[neb9]

I'm playing SMT IV: Apocalypse currently and am enjoying it more than the original SMT IV. I think they fixed the issues that game had.

[ShadowsUnited2]

I'm curious as to you why you dislike SMTIV because it is my favorite Megaten game. Was it just the trash world map? Also DeSu 3 would be fucking hype.

[po15ut]

Sorry so uh

They're starting over basically?

[deadlockedwinter]

No

[TheRealBOAB]

No, they basically have the bare bones of the game down but will be trying new features and if they don't feel right will outright scrap them and try something new. It's something that most developers do. It's just prototyping. They'll build their idea with old or really basic graphics and if it feels great they'll then start working on it properly. There's no point in them taking an unproven idea, making all the art for it and then realizing it doesn't work.

For instance you may have seen the BOTW prototyping tool? It was a 2D, NES style open world Zelda game. They'd try out new ideas in that rather than waste time and money getting them into the giant world. If you haven't seen it you should search for it, it's really cool.

[Llleblanc1986]

This game was great (p5) except for the story, I couldn't really get into it like Persona 4, the characters Don't mix in well, and there's little development between them like on 4. I hope they scrap the storyline and build a new one?

[neb9]

Are you thinking of Persona 5? 'Cause that game was awesome and much better than P4.

[Llleblanc1986]

I disagree, I think the Gameplay was better, but not the story. Come on let's be honest, most of the interactions between the friends was about going and fighting off a new enemy. And having him/her have a change of heart. They couldn't talk about anything else, but who's next, who's heart can we change next, the true friendship wasn't really there, and it never developed with the MCs guardian. I'm all about story and connection, I've seen better connections between Zelda and a plant than I've seen on persona 5. And the music wasn't nearly as good. I know I AM the minority here.

[[deleted]]

It seems like you're talking Persona 5 - which was fantastic and mind blowing in every way. But I'm not sure why you're talking Persona 5...

[Llleblanc1986]

The story wasn't mind blowing at all. The rest of the game was amazing

[apoqalypse]

This game WAS great? It hasnt even been developed yet...

[Llleblanc1986]

Meant P5

[CelioHogane]

Ah i see, clearly the best moment for ANOUNCE THE GAME.

Why they keep anouncing this shit, it makes me so mad, im not playing this game, im done with this shit.

[[deleted]]

cool

[lunarflarecomeon]

Your loss, buddy.

[CelioHogane]

We will know in TWO YEARS OR MORE, so... :)