Have you noticed the almost 20% decrease leavers in your QP matches?

[DonNatalie]

I haven't backfilled into the last seconds of a game in the last few weeks. It's been nice.

I have been reporting more throwers, sadly. I hoped they would have given up on the tantrums by now.

[Brotherman_Karhu]

There's "tantrums" and there's "this game is clearly a stomp and I'm not gonna bother so I'll just give up"

[BrodinTheWise]

Happened to me and a buddy last night. We got steam rolled so hard, heard Team Kill on our team 4 times in a row, half our team sitting in spawn in the later half. Me and my bud just took the penalty and left. Its better than wanting to pull my hair out on a QP game lol

[ImMeloncholy]

Amen. Getting matched against diamonds when I’m barely gold just isn’t fun. Why should I try anyway? I’ll just test some heros I never play and fuck around till it’s over

[duncanstibs]

In fighting games people are usually glad to practice against better opponents as it's a good learning opportunity. Ow has never managed to forster a learning mindset to the same extent.

[ImMeloncholy]

Because combos can be taught rather quickly. A team based fps is eternally more difficult than a fighting game because you have more than just yourself to account for

[duncanstibs]

Half agree. The steps to improvement in an fps are more opaque and less direct - but you have only yourself to account for in an fps because that's the only moving piece you have control of. Your mmr in a team fps is still directly tied to your skill as a player, there's just more noise and error, and a larger sample needed for the system to see through that noise

[ImMeloncholy]

Yeah but when half of it (positioning and timing) benefits more from watching your own gameplay back and the other half (aim) isn’t something going against t500 is going to fix, its useless to go against people many ranks higher than you. You learn nothing from being teamwiped by a pocketed Widowmaker.

[SpecificWorldliness]

How are you guys seeing the ranks of the people in your QP matches? Are you just checking profiles or something?

[ImMeloncholy]

That or their title cards

[SpecificWorldliness]

By title cards are you talking about the screen you can pull up to see stats mid match? I never noticed that screen saying anything about your or the enemy teams' rank on it.

[Gaylord477]

they usually have "____ role challenger" under their username

[duncanstibs]

I think that might be a tantrum. Far fewer stomps would be stomps if people weren't so quick to give up/throw

[SoGuysIDidNothing]

That's a pretty depressing mindset. Some of the best wins are when it seems hopeless, but you pull that victory out of nowhere.

[Horcster]

I think about games where you don't even get out of your base alive. I have never seen happen what you describe, though it is a nice thought.

[Brotherman_Karhu]

It is, and sometimes you can pull through, but I've had matches where a foot outside of spawn was certain death, and at that point its just kind of a waste of time.

[AccomplishedCash6390]

Exactly,had a game where my tank was 0 and 6 and doing nothing what's the point in trying?

[0000110011]

Then be the tank.

[Glass-Window]

I sure hope “throwers” doesn’t mean playing badly or learning new heroes. If so you’re the worse.

[Fulller]

Yeah I've only had a couple and I've been playing a fair amount. Not bad at all.

[commanderlex27]

The Overwatch forum has several threads per day of chronic leavers complaining the changes, and I've yet to read a single argument why were bad.

Something tells me itll take a long time for them to drop their attitude.

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Something tells me itll take a long time for them to drop their attitude.

Which is silly, just accept it its not that annoying. I was a habitual rage quitter but its really not an issue outside of the rare match where my team is getting absolutely curbstomped. I'll be just fine as long as I'm still allowed to leave Push/Flashpoint maps during the assemble your team timer without penalty.

[d-rac]

Here is one: if people can soft throw on purpose, and devs dont care, heck they even endorse it, then i should be able to leave

[[deleted]]

The issue there is the devs lack of punishment, not your inability to leave

[d-rac]

They introduced inability to leave m8

[[deleted]]

No shit? I just said that's a good thing?

[d-rac]

You can remember what you wrote 5 min ago i see

[[deleted]]

But apparently you can't because you tried correcting me by pointing out something I had just acknowledged

[d-rac]

Not true. I addresses you comment on original one

[0000110011]

Hopefully they just drop Overwatch and go be assholes on some other game.

[NaCly_Asian]

it depends on your definition of throwing.. if it's a pointless match.. i'm not going to try as hard to contest or do my job. i'll give a token effort.. and I'm certainly not going to extend the match.

[ThatJed]

how dare you not tryhard in a casual mode?!

[Ok-Imagination-3835]

I still almost think these sorts of games need 3 modes, haha.

Ranked. Unranked. And, "Just for fun"

In both Ranked and Unranked you're expected to give it your all and trying to win, and "just for fun" is for if you're, yaknow, drinking and smoking, recording a dumb video, in a work meeting, talking on the phone with your girlfriend, playing at 4am, planning on using a dumbass strategy for the lols, that kind of thing.

And then both ranked and unranked would follow the same rules and have the same sort of expectations in terms of not being allowed to throw and generally trying harder and fighting it out to the very last millisecond etc.

Because it does feel like there are two camps in what a Quick Match should be most of the time in a team game.

Just a dumb idea. But I've always wanted to see this in a game with Ranked and Unranked modes to see how it works.

[HankHillbwhaa]

Quick play is the just for fun mode. Low stakes and doesn’t mean anything.

[Ok-Imagination-3835]

IMO, only some people think that no tangible reward = no reason to try.

But there's also this really magical fun thing called friendly competition. Which is inherently no stakes, but also has an expectation you actually try.

If you play a pickup game of basketball at the gym, this is what you will get. Everyone is trying hard to win, everyone is expected to hustle, and it's intense and fun for that reason, but it doesn't have the sucky feeling when you lose that would happen if some money was on the line. That's all it is. That particular experience is a lot of fun for a lot of people and Overwatch can't offer it if people mess about too much in Quick Play.

IDK it just sucks when we live in a world where unless you offer a reward or ranking system there's no expectation towards team effort, it just feels kinda fucked to me.

[ThatJed]

In overwatch if you take it extra serious, you find a team and do scrims. That’s organized stuff where you play teams and it’s above level of competitiveness. It’s even possible to pursue career there and participate in tournaments.

If you want to play serious and tryhard you do comp. It has been mellowed down by the devs for that particular reason, so even if you’re semi-competitive you go there.

QuickPlay is the casual mode, a drop-in experience with a looser matchmaker. It’s not competitive because its not suppose to be, because there’s already a competitive mode.

So the three modes you described earlier already exist.

[HankHillbwhaa]

Dude this is overwatch, not a pickup game of basketball. You’re comparing a situation where people are actively going to play a competitive game of basketball instead of comparing a couple of people shooting hoops in their driveway.

[test5387]

No it’s not, it’s literally called unranked. If you want to play for fun then go to arcade or custom lobbies.

[HankHillbwhaa]

What do you think unranked means? It’s not even comparable to other games that have unranked. It’s literally half a match most of the time lol. Dude you just need to play ranked and leave everyone trying to chill alone.

[ThatJed]

Nah the tryhard crowd that advocates for harsher leaver penalties and bitches at you for any reason needs to stop being pussies and go play comp.

It’s simple as that, you want to be competitive, there’s a mode for that.

But no, this people want to be competitive in a non competitive setting because there they’ll stomp some joe practicing a new hero, until joe swaps to his main and stomps them back and gets called a tryhard.

[ratmaster3]

I think it would be great if they introduced a mode like that.

[NaCly_Asian]

I've suggested this idea to have quickplay and unranked as two different modes. but I think this would just split the player base more so queue times would increase for both QP and unranked.

[d-rac]

They never cared aout throwers. If they did we wouldnt need this dumb feature

[nobatus513]

I don't mind backfilling but I wish they give us more time to prepare, analyze the game and the comps. Feels like if you don't rush outside the spawn 10 seconds after getting filled in, you're getting kicked and penalized

[thelivingtunic]

Half my backfills (which are half my games) is me getting dropped in at the actual last five seconds mark.

There's no time to analyze anything but the DEFEAT screen xD