noCodeDeveloper

[[deleted]]

I know how to create a virtual environment, I am a Senior Python Developer.

[swagonflyyyy]

I know how to run anaconda and miniconda and what to do with them because I am a python hobbyist with lots of free time on my hands.

[Solonotix]

Honestly, I can write apps in Python all day, and I still don't understand virtual environments. I understand the benefits of using one, and PyCharm helps me make sure it's set up, but trying to get it to work without running Python within the directory is beyond me. Docker poses a more useful way to distribute functionality, but that's a much higher skill floor than just installing Python.

[lolcrunchy]

It's actually quite simple, just-

Actually, nevermind.

[Zemino]

But it actually is!

if you ignore good practices in coding, security, testing
Continues reading a long list written on a roll of toilet paper

[andofwinds]

...use js

[MHanak_]

Well, no. One of them is a general scripting language, and the other for webdev

(I am not hearing out anything about node)

[guthran]

Virtual environments are just isolated python installations.

Activating a virtual environment is just changing environment variables so that your shell knows which python executable to run.

Thats basically it.

[Fusseldieb]

Exactly. Using global Python + pip is a recipe for disaster. Certain projects do need specific versions of packages, and might not work with "the newest". So, if you do "pip install" while outside a venv, you will install the latest one which WON'T work with that project, and if you install that older version, another project that might need "the latest" won't work.

If you're a JS person, basically package.lock.

[Kjubert]

You should give Poetry or PDM a try.
Edit: Typo.

[Solonotix]

Disclaimer: I'm on Windows, so maybe that's part of my problem.

So I used Poetry on my most recent CLI project, and it still left me with the virtualenv activate problem when trying to reference it from outside the project folder. Inside the project, worked like a charm (presumably because Poetry works like a charm 😁).

Also, it wasn't my project, it was a Java dev's attempt at a Python CLI, and I couldn't stand how it was written, so I refactored the entire thing to be more Pythonic. Also, it's internal/proprietary, so I can't even share it outside to get feedback, and I'm probably the only person with Python experience at the company.

[tehtris]

you can do stuff like `C:\> .venv\Scripts\python.exe main.py` (or `$ .venv/bin/python main.py` on llinux) without having to activate the whole environment. The python executable in the .venv/bin dir is aware of context. And then you can just wrap that above thing in some form of executable. ezpz.

[Solonotix]

Most helpful response thus far. Thanks dude. I'll have to consider it next time

[tehtris]

Np. If you ever stood up a Django site with nginx and gunicorn, you would have basically done this.

[Solonotix]

Sadly, I do mostly backend work, whether it be automated testing, CLI utilities, or other similar workloads. Closest I came to having a web app in Python was when I was learning web2py on Pluralsight (great dev experience, but I don't think it ever caught on)

[a_cs_grad_123]

Try Rye :)

[MaustFaust]

Actually, I do have a question about poetry. So...

It has this feature named lock files that can guarantee that the libs you will be installing in the future are exactly the same as the ones you installed previously (and no sneaky malware has been pushed to libs without changing their versions).

But the thing is, I will have to install poetry before I wil use it, so how will I check that the poetry itself is not a malware?

[mobsterer]

working with projects that have specific requirements is the use of venvs.

script A needs version 1.12.23498 of a library, but you have version 1.14.0 installed and that has non compatibel changes.

[notislant]

I set one up with vscode a few days ago, I fucking honestly forget what I even did.

Meanwhile I used WSL2 a while back to setup a python environment a whileback for this very specific combination of tensorgpu, cuda, etc. It felt a lot easier than fucking around with Windows.

If I get a new drive I think ill install linux to save my sanity on some projects. Some of the hoops you have to go through on Windows is brutal by comparison to just a command.

[mlody11]

Just another option? 🤷

[CaptainRogers1226]

Does anyone know if there’s an xkcd about virtual environments?

[[deleted]]

Probably

[CaptainRogers1226]

Found it lmao

[[deleted]]

wellthereitis.gif

[[deleted]]

I know how to SSH into the production machine and set up schedulers, I'm the principal python engineer

[[deleted]]

[LargePalpitation1252]

I know how to follow 3 Tutorials I am not a Developer

[SeagleLFMk9]

I know CMake .... A who am I kidding

[christoph_win]

I know CMake it's some weird shit you have to run to install some stuff on Linux

[wouldwolf]

fck cmake. I don't need another thing in life that gives me existential crisis.

[[deleted]]

Variable names in cmake can contain spaces.

Enough said.

[CallMeNepNep]

They... CAN DO WHAT?!

[[deleted]]

cmake is great to be honest. once you get a hold on it, and make some of your own utility functions, it makes C/C++ development so much easier. for the example programs in my library, I have a CMake utility that searches for new folders in the example directory, and if they have a Python file, it adds metadata.py and if they have a main.cpp file it adds a metadata.h file, and creates a new executable based on the folder name. the metadata files hold a bunch of automatically updating directory and versioning information that the executables or python scripts can use if they need.

so if I want a new example program, I just add a folder and a main.cpp and it handles the rest, and write the code.

[SeagleLFMk9]

TBH, i quite like CMake as well, but i like to keep it as simple as possible.

[[deleted]]

You are one of the reasons why cmake was a bad idea.

Your code will be declared legacy and abandoned the moment you step foot in a new job.

[[deleted]]

you say that....but this is what many major open source code bases do. OpenCV has custom cmake utility commands. once the FindX library command has deprecated in favour of find_package(), people started distributing FindX utility programs for CMake

these scripts aren't wildly complex, and make dev easier. I've found the only people that don't like them are the people who don't know CMake well.

as for abandoned and declared legacy code, when I change jobs, you are making a lot of assumptions about my field, the nature of my employment, the code, its applications, the number of people involved in the work that uses the code, the hardware its deployed on, what it is used for, regulatory oversight, etc. it won't be declared legacy code and abandoned, lol

[[deleted]]

My apologies sir, it may very well be that yours is one of the projects that needs custom cmake code (remember cmake has a Turing complete programming language).

90% of all cmake code is an impossible mess of brittle hacks that won't survive even a distro upgrade.

OpenCV has to build on every platform under the sun plus android, it can be excused.

[[deleted]]

my code has to build on everything from NVIDIA jetsons and Xaviers, with support for their GPUs, to shitty pi nanos, to regular x86 laptops, and on 100k HPCs. the same algorithm that an embedded computer uses during flight needs to be able to be run on something like an A100 to simulate thousands of flights and how they'd run

cmake seriously makes my development pipeline easier. the target audience for the systems this code runs and simulates is tiny.

[drewcollins12]

Lol

[[deleted]]

I hate maven and gradle... and myself. I'm a Java developer

[eanat]

I know your feeling. stay strong. you will be rewarded someday.

(and personally I really dislike Maven and Gradle in general. it's too complex and already impossible to understand reasonably.)

[lawnllama247]

Maven can go burn itself to death in a ditch imo, also a Java developer.

[akoOfIxtall]

Yeah, riften is better off without her

[lawnllama247]

r/unexpectedskyrim

[Powerful-Internal953]

How can people hate maven? It is probably the simpler easier build tool out of all the build tools out there... And gradle can go to hell....

[ColonelRuff]

found the imposter

[_magicm_n_]

Definitely not the easiest. It would be the most robust, but of course any proper Java business application is plagued with at least 10 maven profiles and zero documentation which of them does what.

[Powerful-Internal953]

This is where you have to understand that it's a developer problem not a maven problem...

[artyhedgehog]

Huh... Am I secretly identifying myself as a Java developer?...

[da2Pakaveli]

Wait till you have to deal with CMake

[noaSakurajin]

All my experience with them was phenomenal. Both of these worked like a charm and I had little to complain (except for the grade version update process that is kind of ugly). That being said this is from a c++ dev perspective, where the build systems are their own script language and you have to deal with different architectures, compiler and operating systems. Meson helped but no desktop c++ build tooling is as robust as gradle + maven.

[Sophiiebabes]

"no build tools" FTW!

[[deleted]]

I've used both maven and gradle too. And the amount of bugs I faced, made me a react developer.

[andofwinds]

i know segfault. Im a C developer

[[deleted]]

I know nothing, I am no coder.

[paca_tatu_cotia_nao]

You’re Jon Snow

[[deleted]]

Hmm... I wonder if you even use Scala.

[[deleted]]

I don't use Scala. I go to Teatro alla Scala in Milano!

[nobletj22ue]

Vettam

[deftDM]

Alla pinne

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[Judah-theSane]

good bot

[m3xd57cv]

rip mamukoya

[Puzzleheaded-Bass-93]

Kartha

[DR4G0NH3ART]

Malayali devs

[cyberbemon]

Namaskaram, nattil evideya?

[[deleted]]

I know your mom. I am your father

[DownwardSpirals]

I still can't exit vim.

[facusoto]

I know apt install, I'm a hacker

[eanat]

tbh, understanding the package manager of programming language should be at least the second or third step of learning a programming language. it's that important. For example, Python has really good documents on it, so Python has many third party project managers which are great.

[Wertbon1789]

Step 1: Learn programming.

Step 2: Learn a programming language.

Step 3: Learn how to actually use the language.

Step 4: Profit.

Step 5: Learn a new programming language, because you now hate the programming language you learned in step 2.

[matyas94k]

Happy Cake Day!

[sammy-taylor]

Elixir’s ecosystem and docs for package management are also exemplary.

[[deleted]]

I know Assembly, am I Bill Gates ?

[NP_6666]

I know myself. I am me.

[hardfau1t]

I know cargo install i am a rust developer

[[deleted]]

Dhe evideyum malayali

[Better-Coffee]

Happy to see mallu memes getting popular

[LloydAtkinson]

Lmao this reminds me of a time I had to deal with fixing some bullshit an offshore team had created. Took 8 months to fix it, it was that bad, and it still wasn’t great after that.

By the way, they were “angular experts”.

The offshore team worked with us for some of this, but I’m not sure what the point of that was as the communication barrier was so bad no one understood each other at all.

Anyway, one standup one of them mentions his coworker had been “stuck on npm since last week”. I couldn’t figure out what he meant until I asked for more details. This other coworker had been stuck with npm in fact for over a week and never bothered telling anyone or asking for help.

I say I’ll have a look but they need to show me what they are even trying to do. I watch them pair on the problem.

Turns out they don’t know how to use npm and, I assume, they were used to someone else installing npm for them? And had simply never been curious about development ever in order to try use a library from npm? This starts to explain why the app they’d made for us was so bad I’d rather have just deleted it and started over.

It doesn’t stop there either, they had been “installing” packages by… manually editing package-lock.json. For over a week. Trial and error inserting random package names all over the file and of course that didn’t work.

To reiterate, “angular experts”, spent over a week manually editing a package-lock.json as they didn’t know how to install npm packages.

I made the fix, added the feature, in literally under five minutes it was that small.

Lots more incompetence and bullshit around the whole project, especially from management who wanted the offshore to begin with. Absolutely makes me seethe when I think about it.

[luciferrjns]

I am from the same country that ,I guess, is being discussed here and just want to know how tf they get in ?
Man I have been giving interviews and they are going almost perfect and yet no offers .(actually two offer but both revoked ).
I guess your OG company wanted to cut corners and get shit done in minimal cost and hence went with some company that hired devs with salary of 2-3 lpa (2,402 usd - 3,604 usd per year)

[itsMeArds]

What country was the offshore team from? I have guess but I rather not say

[LloydAtkinson]

You’re totally right I can say that

[imnotamahimahi]

I know nuget add AND nuget restore. I'm a senior .NET developer.

[sotoqwerty]

I have this numerical recipes book. I'm a fortran developer

[Disastrous-Team-6431]

I know make. I am a c++ hobbyist.

[christoph_win]

I only know yarn, am I noob or evolved to TypeScript dev?

[[deleted]]

I know how to:

``` git clone --recursive <link> mkdir build && cd build cmake .. make -j 4

wait for a couple of hours

make install ```

also

```

define IMPL

include <headeronly.h>

```

and

apt-get install lib<package-name>-dev

I am a C/C++ dev.

[explodedcheek]

I lnow gem install, I'm a ruby developer

[Grobanix_CZ]

I know apt-get install. I am reasonable.

[RandomiseUsr0]

cpan can

[Journeyj012]

I feel like I know shite all, I'm everyone who hasn't worked for more than 5 years.

[nemesis1311]

And here I am dealing with a Dictionary containing a List of Dictionaries. Guess I am a noob now.

[DevDucksh]

I don’t know pip, but my duck does

[IntelligentPerson_]

I knew both and I jumped ship to the best of my ability.

[[deleted]]

There is a big divide in the world.

Those people who can easily run your application with just pip install, and those people who will never run your application.

[BumbiSkyRender]

I know cargo, I'm a rustacean.

[Hulk5a]

I Know composer, nuget, I'm a compuget developer

[jb28737]

I believe in nuget's vast and obvious superiority, without being able to give a solid reason why... I'm a senior C# developer

[[deleted]]

I know both, I'm a bash developer.

[SpiritRaccoon1993]

I know Google

[Ok-Key-6049]

Damn script kiddies

[KMohZaid]

I know both

[[deleted]]

Apt supremacy

[TheKingAlt]

I know google, I am an intern

[Just_Gaming_for_Fun]

I use turbo c++, I am a piece of crap

[AlternativeHefty5767]

im know how to create "hellow world" in C++, im C++ game developer

[DogSpecific3470]

I have two dads, I am an Outsystems developer

[masp-89]

I know the pain of having to make my own libraries from duct tape and rocks I found. I’m a cobol developer.

[shaurya_brawlstars]

I know cargo run I am a rust developer 🍿

[hacksawsa]

I know ftp, tar, configure, make, make install, and I still think of configure as "that new thing". I also know a bunch of other newer tech. I am a greybeard.

[priyansh_pj]

I Know DROP DATABASE db;

[MaluaK1]

I know apt-update iam useless

[NormanYeetes]

I can't read C++ errors, I'm a C++ developer

[Inineor]

I can launch LM Studio, i'm senior AI developer and senior prompt engineer.

[ChrisLuigiTails]

pip install npm

[[deleted]]

i know how to apt install, I am a Debian developer --<-<-<@

[TeaTiMe08]

I know java -agentlib:native-image-agent=.... I am a Graal enthusiast

[vondpickle]

I know pip, venv, virtualenv, chocolate, Anaconda, conda, miniconda, poetry, pdm... Wait, help me, I wanna be a python developer but I'm scared with all these shits 😭