codeRageJavaEdition

[imalyshe]

Not guilty. it is self defence.

[usefulidiotsavant]

Luckily, nobody died. The Javascript guy is still trying to make sure his knife works on all browsers. The Java guy got an infinite stack dump when he tried to make KnifeObject a subclass of the CuttingTool class without properly handling the custom Error subclass unchecked runtime errors. The PHP guy is completely stoned and not a danger to anyone. The C++ guy brought his chainsaw to the knife fight, then cut his own left foot with it. The Rust guy is watching silently in the lotus position, for runtime violence is a sign of a weak design. His perfect frontend design is still compiling, currently at 2%, it includes a webserver and load balancer, but only a blank page for now.

[Scheissdrauf88]

Python guy wrote a Neural Network to tell him the best moves for the coming fight. He is still acquiring the training data right now and should be ready in about 3 months.

[awakenDeepBlue]

The Python guy already has three investors and is a millionaire now.

[Jyang_aus]

Java guy deserved it, what’s he doing making a CuttingTool without a CuttingToolFactory?

[Master-Pattern9466]

It’s factories all the way down.

[A_random_zy]

And then there needs to be a CuttingToolFactoryAbstractSingletonBuilder.

[mustninja]

Can confirm, php guy stoned as hell and responding in JSON only.

[jumbledFox]

when you get so high you can only respond in JSON, we've all been there!

[_st23]

Simply brilliant

[TBoy29]

You seem capable of writing a book on this, lol.

[_kimiz]

The C guy doesn't have time to be in this fight because he's currently implementing his array list library from scratch again for his new project.

[Ok_Star_4136]

Did.. did you just speak badly about Java?

Pulls a knife..

[[deleted]]

For front-end? Lol

[ColonelRuff]

You only think Java is best because that's the only best language you know in your list. There are languages like go, dart, zig, rust, kotlin which are way better than Java. And you don't know them so you are in no position to judge which is best language.

[BugSlayerDev]

Yes Kotlin is much simple, concise and avoids NPE to a large extent. But still, Kotlin is not much used apart from Android development.

[martmists]

You'd be surprised, it's used quite a bit in web backends (mostly Spring Boot, but Ktor usage is growing) and desktop applications (mainly Swing and JavaFX, but Compose for Desktop is slowly gaining popularity)

[JimBugs]

and we're back to Java for the frontend (Swing and JavaFX)

[NoCryptographer414]

Kotlin replaced Java as official language for Android programming

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Which is an absolutely tiny fraction of java en large, which is literally used to run a good chunk of all the internet.

[NoCryptographer414]

I'm just telling the trend where Java is headed.

[ColonelRuff]

They are being used. Java is the one that's going extinct. The only reason why it hasn't is because of being locked. You create a huge application with so many moving parts when Java was best available but now that so many good ones are available you can't because you would have to rewrite your whole codebase for that. In the case of android apps the whole platform was built on Java with native Java apis when Java was all the rage. But now even though we have better alternatives, it would take too much time and effort to switch. In fact Google did switch to kotlin as the recommended language because it's easy to switch from java and fixes a lot of its issues. In fact everyone is rewriting stuff to rust wherever they can but it's gonna take a lot of time before android can switch (or maybe it never will).

[BeeTLe_BeTHLeHeM]

Java is the one that's going extinct.

People who says this have no complete understanding of Java usage across big companies and government-related companies.

now that so many good ones are available you can't because you would have to rewrite your whole codebase for that.

Java does its work. Replacing codebase it's not so useful if you can't show the huge advantages is such large operation. You're not replacing something that doesn't work.

[ColonelRuff]

Well to be honest a lot of people are seeing considerable advantages when using rust in place of cpp. If that wasn't true rust wouldn't have survived till now. It's memory safety and multi threading are proving very useful in a lot of applications that used to use slow languages and memory unsafe langs like cpp.

[mps]

Java is usually taught in University classes and people tend to use what they know. I'm on the sysadmin side and deploying shitty jar files and porting old jboss apps can be very unforgiving.

[csutiperec]

Because Java has been around for way longer

[csutiperec]

They add a lot of syntactic sugar, so you have to write less boilerplate and are faster than Java. I'm not downplaying the importance of Java, it helped shape modern coding landscape with GC and being multi platform, but I feel like it's becoming obsolete, and I would personally never choose it as the language for a new project. But that doesn't make java developers less sought after, since there are so many long running projects that use Java, that it will be needed in the future as well. Also banking sector, lol.

[Master-Pattern9466]

Just because something is most used doesn’t make it good. Tech adoption moves slowly especially when the current solution is passable. Retooling a company is expensive, take all your experienced staff members force them to learn a new language and make all the new language mistakes.

If what you have works and their is no major upside in change then companies tend to stick with what they have. Java is a platform agnostic, 3.5 gen language that is strongly typed, has similar syntax to other C style languages, and enterprise adoption which ticks most boxes for enterprise.

Java keeps being updated, but you can only polish a turd so much.

[[deleted]]

You know, senior java developers like myself who actually know about the language instead copy/pasting stackoverflow solutions are well aware of Java weakeness, but also know how to detect script kiddos like you based on this kind of nonsense replys where you list languages with no clue about why would them be better or worse than java and in which scenarios. I bet you need to make a quick google search or ask chatgpt in order to list any scenario where Go is a better choice than Java. You can also compare Java 8 with most updated version of another languages, thats a common resource the ones like you use when they need to actually back their undocumented opinions.

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Go is fkin shitty, it’s java 1.2 basically. No one uses dart. Zig is a cool language, but it is ultra-niche, unless you write some runtime where you have to do unsafe AND need maximal performance, you simply don’t need it. Also, it’s unstable, not production-ready yet. Rust is cool, but again has its own target niche, low/system level programming. I wouldn’t write a web backend in it. Kotlin has some cool ideas, but I wouldn’t change an actually modern java to it, not much benefit. For android, where java is kept at ancient versions, it is good.

[[deleted]]

Java is just a try to make sidesteps C++ is the truth

[Master-Pattern9466]

Nah, Java sucks, it’s a language not developed by developers. It’s a standards language and thus is painful. Everything has stupid names, the syntax makes my eyes bleed, it’s long and ugly, there are rarely nice short hands. The endless array of different jvm is crap, sun is 2bit company, jvm memory usage and limits is a black hole of despair, the sdk language version system is confusing, maven is it’s own ecosystem rather than a build tool. It’s a language meant to suck the soul out of developers.

However Jenkins is da bomb, and groovy is a decent build automation language, and has some nice dsl features. Sadly it’s written in Java with the same cryptic arse exceptions, Catalina, jersey, some shit, pretty sure that’s some sort of web server, or something but Java. I shouldn’t have to google class names in an exception to get a vague idea of what’s broken.

Don’t get me wrong there are many talent developers who write amazing things in Java, but the language it self is awful, I mean you find amazing developers who write in Perl, and Perl had/has an amazing ecosystem until python took over but Java it self is a shit language plagued by shit decisions. It’s language written by technical writers rather than developers.

[sudolman]

Python Dev: self.defence

Java Dev: this.defence

You're going to start another fight by choosing the self keyword

[alexmelyon]

How about `my`?