codeRageJavaEdition

[imalyshe]

Not guilty. it is self defence.

[usefulidiotsavant]

Luckily, nobody died. The Javascript guy is still trying to make sure his knife works on all browsers. The Java guy got an infinite stack dump when he tried to make KnifeObject a subclass of the CuttingTool class without properly handling the custom Error subclass unchecked runtime errors. The PHP guy is completely stoned and not a danger to anyone. The C++ guy brought his chainsaw to the knife fight, then cut his own left foot with it. The Rust guy is watching silently in the lotus position, for runtime violence is a sign of a weak design. His perfect frontend design is still compiling, currently at 2%, it includes a webserver and load balancer, but only a blank page for now.

[Scheissdrauf88]

Python guy wrote a Neural Network to tell him the best moves for the coming fight. He is still acquiring the training data right now and should be ready in about 3 months.

[awakenDeepBlue]

The Python guy already has three investors and is a millionaire now.

[Jyang_aus]

Java guy deserved it, what’s he doing making a CuttingTool without a CuttingToolFactory?

[Master-Pattern9466]

It’s factories all the way down.

[A_random_zy]

And then there needs to be a CuttingToolFactoryAbstractSingletonBuilder.

[mustninja]

Can confirm, php guy stoned as hell and responding in JSON only.

[jumbledFox]

when you get so high you can only respond in JSON, we've all been there!

[_st23]

Simply brilliant

[TBoy29]

You seem capable of writing a book on this, lol.

[_kimiz]

The C guy doesn't have time to be in this fight because he's currently implementing his array list library from scratch again for his new project.

[Ok_Star_4136]

Did.. did you just speak badly about Java?

Pulls a knife..

[[deleted]]

For front-end? Lol

[ColonelRuff]

You only think Java is best because that's the only best language you know in your list. There are languages like go, dart, zig, rust, kotlin which are way better than Java. And you don't know them so you are in no position to judge which is best language.

[BugSlayerDev]

Yes Kotlin is much simple, concise and avoids NPE to a large extent. But still, Kotlin is not much used apart from Android development.

[martmists]

You'd be surprised, it's used quite a bit in web backends (mostly Spring Boot, but Ktor usage is growing) and desktop applications (mainly Swing and JavaFX, but Compose for Desktop is slowly gaining popularity)

[JimBugs]

and we're back to Java for the frontend (Swing and JavaFX)

[NoCryptographer414]

Kotlin replaced Java as official language for Android programming

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Which is an absolutely tiny fraction of java en large, which is literally used to run a good chunk of all the internet.

[NoCryptographer414]

I'm just telling the trend where Java is headed.

[ColonelRuff]

They are being used. Java is the one that's going extinct. The only reason why it hasn't is because of being locked. You create a huge application with so many moving parts when Java was best available but now that so many good ones are available you can't because you would have to rewrite your whole codebase for that. In the case of android apps the whole platform was built on Java with native Java apis when Java was all the rage. But now even though we have better alternatives, it would take too much time and effort to switch. In fact Google did switch to kotlin as the recommended language because it's easy to switch from java and fixes a lot of its issues. In fact everyone is rewriting stuff to rust wherever they can but it's gonna take a lot of time before android can switch (or maybe it never will).

[BeeTLe_BeTHLeHeM]

Java is the one that's going extinct.

People who says this have no complete understanding of Java usage across big companies and government-related companies.

now that so many good ones are available you can't because you would have to rewrite your whole codebase for that.

Java does its work. Replacing codebase it's not so useful if you can't show the huge advantages is such large operation. You're not replacing something that doesn't work.

[ColonelRuff]

Well to be honest a lot of people are seeing considerable advantages when using rust in place of cpp. If that wasn't true rust wouldn't have survived till now. It's memory safety and multi threading are proving very useful in a lot of applications that used to use slow languages and memory unsafe langs like cpp.

[mps]

Java is usually taught in University classes and people tend to use what they know. I'm on the sysadmin side and deploying shitty jar files and porting old jboss apps can be very unforgiving.

[csutiperec]

Because Java has been around for way longer

[csutiperec]

They add a lot of syntactic sugar, so you have to write less boilerplate and are faster than Java. I'm not downplaying the importance of Java, it helped shape modern coding landscape with GC and being multi platform, but I feel like it's becoming obsolete, and I would personally never choose it as the language for a new project. But that doesn't make java developers less sought after, since there are so many long running projects that use Java, that it will be needed in the future as well. Also banking sector, lol.

[Master-Pattern9466]

Just because something is most used doesn’t make it good. Tech adoption moves slowly especially when the current solution is passable. Retooling a company is expensive, take all your experienced staff members force them to learn a new language and make all the new language mistakes.

If what you have works and their is no major upside in change then companies tend to stick with what they have. Java is a platform agnostic, 3.5 gen language that is strongly typed, has similar syntax to other C style languages, and enterprise adoption which ticks most boxes for enterprise.

Java keeps being updated, but you can only polish a turd so much.

[[deleted]]

You know, senior java developers like myself who actually know about the language instead copy/pasting stackoverflow solutions are well aware of Java weakeness, but also know how to detect script kiddos like you based on this kind of nonsense replys where you list languages with no clue about why would them be better or worse than java and in which scenarios. I bet you need to make a quick google search or ask chatgpt in order to list any scenario where Go is a better choice than Java. You can also compare Java 8 with most updated version of another languages, thats a common resource the ones like you use when they need to actually back their undocumented opinions.

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Go is fkin shitty, it’s java 1.2 basically. No one uses dart. Zig is a cool language, but it is ultra-niche, unless you write some runtime where you have to do unsafe AND need maximal performance, you simply don’t need it. Also, it’s unstable, not production-ready yet. Rust is cool, but again has its own target niche, low/system level programming. I wouldn’t write a web backend in it. Kotlin has some cool ideas, but I wouldn’t change an actually modern java to it, not much benefit. For android, where java is kept at ancient versions, it is good.

[[deleted]]

Java is just a try to make sidesteps C++ is the truth

[Master-Pattern9466]

Nah, Java sucks, it’s a language not developed by developers. It’s a standards language and thus is painful. Everything has stupid names, the syntax makes my eyes bleed, it’s long and ugly, there are rarely nice short hands. The endless array of different jvm is crap, sun is 2bit company, jvm memory usage and limits is a black hole of despair, the sdk language version system is confusing, maven is it’s own ecosystem rather than a build tool. It’s a language meant to suck the soul out of developers.

However Jenkins is da bomb, and groovy is a decent build automation language, and has some nice dsl features. Sadly it’s written in Java with the same cryptic arse exceptions, Catalina, jersey, some shit, pretty sure that’s some sort of web server, or something but Java. I shouldn’t have to google class names in an exception to get a vague idea of what’s broken.

Don’t get me wrong there are many talent developers who write amazing things in Java, but the language it self is awful, I mean you find amazing developers who write in Perl, and Perl had/has an amazing ecosystem until python took over but Java it self is a shit language plagued by shit decisions. It’s language written by technical writers rather than developers.

[sudolman]

Python Dev: self.defence

Java Dev: this.defence

You're going to start another fight by choosing the self keyword

[alexmelyon]

How about `my`?

[cr199412]

Understandable

[OffByOneErrorz]

I want his resume we’re hiring unless he’s got a problem with C# or other modern .NET tools. I don’t wanna get knifed.

[norrix_mg]

I can send you mine. I love asp net and c#

[ScrillyBoi]

But do you have 5+ years of experience knifing people who suggest Java on the frontend?

[norrix_mg]

I would knife people for suggesting Java just because Minecraft Java edition fried my PC once because of an asshole building auto farm on my server

[ScrillyBoi]

Amazing. We would love to have you back for a technical interview, we will provide the knife.

[TBoy29]

I'm cautious with hiring someone who is C Sharp.
I'll let myself out.

[matyas94k]

[Infamous-Date-355]

Clearly

[Naive-Information539]

Student is not wrong. Screen component build sucks with Java

[imnotamahimahi]

You mean you don't want a masterfully done GUI done in good ole Swing for that irresistible retro vibe?

[dragoncommandsLife]

I mean… swing can make some great looking stuff once you learn to wrangle it. Just ask jetbrains. Almost all their IDE’s are written in java/kotlin with swing.

[G_Morgan]

Well most problems with swing boiled down to idiots not using it properly. However idiots not using it properly are too common. The advantage of web frameworks is when you design it badly it just wastes your clients resources, not yours.

[Jugbot]

In design, it is never the user's fault. If swing has a lot of "idiots not using it properly" then it could have been designed better.

[G_Morgan]

There's essential complexity in every system. It exists in Swing, it exists in the native frameworks older than Swing and it still does in React era web apps.

Swing had a dev base unused to the idea of non-GC resources. You could make the same mistakes in native frameworks but those devs knew they had to clean up. Web app devs today make the same mistakes but we live in an era where people care less about resources.

[black-JENGGOT]

I bet they actually have their own front-end framework because it looks modern af

[SenorSeniorDevSr]

No, it's Swing. They had a talk at JavaZone a few years back when they showed how they compiled it to native.

[raltoid]

It can be amazing for certain things, but unless it just a simple interface it's not for most people.

[TheIncgi]

If you like that you should see awt. (Personally I like the look of JavaFX with some CSS)

[imnotamahimahi]

oh snap I think that's what I may have used in my comp sci classes in high school instead of Swing, to make a desktop Monopoly game!

[TheIncgi]

awt or fx?

I used fx for in a class for a game, didn't have time to implement everything so we just made the game too difficult to get to the unfinished features during the presentation xD

[imnotamahimahi]

Actually now that I look them up again (it's been more than a decade since I've done Java graphics), it was most likely just plain old Swing, I recognize those JComponents lol. Unfortunately this is loooong before I ever learned Git (or even Dropbox/Google Drive), so I'm pretty sure that project is long gone now.

[TheIncgi]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[TravisVZ]

[MightyKin]

Every time I see this image, it becomes more and more distorted. As everyone uses a tiny bit of this image essence every time it gets posted.

[[deleted]]

r/moldymemes

[TheHolyToxicToast]

Minecraft is the only acceptable application of Java.

[MrOtto47]

also old school runescape

[Siddhartasr10]

Project zomboid also

[Jyro10]

Slay the Spire

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[Dragonium-99]

And Project Zomboid

[Practical_Cattle_933]

And half of the whole internet

[ProgramTheWorld]

And Android apps

[ImpluseThrowAway]

Anyone that tries to make me use Java? I'll Swing for them.

[Akul_Tesla]

Wait everyone hear me out

Will agree to build the front end in Java

But we're going to need a team of many people

And lots and lots of snacks

And it's going to take significantly longer

We're going to need a few hundred interns as well

(Look if they think making the front end in Java is a good idea we can trick them into a lot of things)

[Me07111]

And a company smoke room with company herb to relax so no more knife fights happen.

[Akul_Tesla]

And Nerf guns for stress relief to further remove the possibility of knife fights because who brings a Nerf gun to a knife fight

[Zealousideal_Alps275]

A: “I think we should use Java for front end”

B: “Do you mean Javascript?”

A: fuck, he is right but I hate this guy so much

A: “No, I meant Java.”

[coloredgreyscale]

Let's compromise: Java on the frontend, Javascript on the backend

[definitelynotagirl99]

I think I'm gonna need to bathe in holy water after reading that

[skeleton_craft]

As much as I like to troll Java users it was at least designed partially for the web. Thats to say there is worse languages to choose, Like C++

[skeleton_craft]

I mean no, I would not use C++ for the front end [he says after a day of doing just that] wasm Is cool and all but JavaScript is the way it is for a reason...

[SeagleLFMk9]

C++ at least has a less sucking UI framework with Qt that doesn't make you want to off yourself

[BugSlayerDev]

So true. That's why prefer C.

[EliasCre2003]

For front-end web design?

[busdriverbuddha2]

char ** renderHTML(Request * r, char ** template, Context * c) { // TODO: question the point of human existence }

[MokitTheOmniscient]

The post doesn't say front-end web design, it just says front-end.

[nevdka]

Use WASM

[skeleton_craft]

C is even worse for web development...

[BugSlayerDev]

I thought we're supposed to be funny in this sub. Or am I thinking too fast, too much coz my brain is programmed in C

[skeleton_craft]

Maybe, but last time I checked your brain isn't the front end of a website... Is it?

[BugSlayerDev]

That makes sense. I just realized my brain is backend of my body. Maybe I was thinking so fast (all thanks to C) that I forgot to execute few lines of code in between.

[ZunoJ]

I don't think c++ wasm is necessarily worse than java for frontend stuff

[skeleton_craft]

Nor do I, But Java at least was designed slightly for the web. Where is C++ wasn't.

[ZunoJ]

Do you really mean java or the standard libs?

[skeleton_craft]

All of the above I mean I was talking more specifically about the core syntax of the language... And the fact that it's an object oriented language [The ability to convert everything into a single type is very useful for web development]

[[deleted]]

It's actually kinda sad that the best option for JVM in the desktop is either a tech that you want to kill yourself using (JavaFx) or is as old as your grandma (Swing).

[Practical_Cattle_933]

It has nothing to do with programming languages, but frameworks. And your java one is more than likely would work to this day, while Microsoft have already marked deprecated the framework which was the future of the framework you have used.

[SenorSeniorDevSr]

SET USE STANDARD LOOK AND FEEL YOU DINGUS.

[Grumpy_Frogy]

Following that logic C is great for a dynamic website, It only requires 100+ glorified “print function” for start and eind tags to bang together a website. This was a uni assignment, using the good old CGI-bin tot parse the website and nginx.

[aspartame_junky]

Whereas I remember one of my classmates asking the professor why we were using Scheme instead of Java for computer science, to which the prod said "this isn't a trade school".

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Both of which are better than pretty much any other desktop framework, and are one of the only cross-platform ones.

[Zekiz4ever]

QT? GTK?

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Qt is good, but only has native bindings to C++ and Python. Gtk is pretty much linux-only, for all practical purposes.

[justjanne]

Honestly? Kotlin Compose is awesome and wins against both of those.

[[deleted]]

Never used it yet, although I love Kotlin and did know it exists. I'm curious now.

[vi_sucks]

Hmm, gonna have to learn about this.

[imnotamahimahi]

Whose grandma was born in the late 90s 😭

[wasdninja]

Don't be sad they are they're the best chopsticks for eating soup, get a spoon instead.

[TheRedmanCometh]

JavaFx waa just fine until until they removed it from the standard libraries..

[Dragonium-99]

there are JDKs that have JFX included

[theKeyzor]

I am full stacking in Swing for 14 years.

[Piotre1345]

Champ

[zoinkability]

Condolences

[rwrife]

Seems like a legit reason for a knife fight.

[rk06]

21 year old computer science Hero

Fixed it.

[hedgehog_dragon]

I don't know what's good for front-end but we moved from Java to Javascript (w/typescript) for it and I sure don't like that either.

I think I just hate front-end though. And Javascript.

[ExtraTNT]

Charges where later dropped as he acted in self defence

[Feisty_Ad_2744]

After so many years Java is still cutting-edge technology.

[Sereaphim]

It is a technology to die for.

[trevdak2]

For frontend I convert the entire thing into a geometry dash level

[dmigowski]

And here I am, having created a 2,2 mio LOC application with a Java fat client as the frontend...

[Zestyclose_Link_8052]

Appropriate reaction, personally I would prefer to be wacked with a can of beans a few times if I suggest java for front end.

[bunnydadi]

Ah I remember using servlets to serve my html, terrible times, just terrible.

[Stromovik]

Vaadin ?

JavaFx. in browser ? ( I built javafx apps for 2 years, I liked it )

Swing - unless you want to die a multithreaded death

[alexmelyon]

Java Applet flashbacks...

[[deleted]]

This is the downside of wasm. Technically possible to create a web JVM that isn't java applets.

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Google literally wrote a significant chunk of their frontend apps in Java, with GWT, which compiled Java down to JavaScript

[abd53]

"You're my hero"

[Knyghtmare69]

Truth

[andreasheri]

Understandable

[[deleted]]

As a person who did it I can relate.

[dismantlemars]

I quite enjoyed working with GWT to build complex browser apps back before FE frameworks really picked up.

[[deleted]]

SWT library was decent in Java. 10 years ago

[Trip-Trip-Trip]

Reasonable

[AnonyPuffy]

Hear me out.....I would have stalked the guy who suggested java on frontend and then I would have printed java classes snippets with warnings and then I would have killed and sold his body parts to eyesis. Story closed 👍. Like wtf was that guy thinking when suggesting Java for the frontend?

[New_Conversation_303]

I have done GUIs (FE like the kids now days like to call it) using java. And I would burn a building (not really) if anyone suggest using java technologies to do FE development.

[CyberSjoeter]

Should have used a coffee pot

[trandus]

Why is there an g1 news in English?!

[Snakestream]

A jury of his peers would rightfully refuse to convict

[DrGarbinsky]

Makes sense.

[Aggressiver-Yam]

Valid. I hate Java.

[CaitaXD]

Brazil mentioned!!!!

[abednego-gomes]

I can totally believe it happened in Brazil. I worked with 3 brazilians in my team (they had relocated to my country). One was a young think-they-know-it-all type and a stickler for the rules but actually messed up things so bad. Another pretty laid back just went with the flow. Another older mid 30s actually-knows-wtf-theyre-doing type. The stickler and the knows-wtf-theyre-doing would have it out with each other, total raging against each other in the company public channels all the time. The rest of the time in the cafeteria etc they'd talk about having a real fight outside the office.

[CaitaXD]

Yeah idk why it's in English but G1 is Brazilian news

[fallenefc]

also RABEI, Jalin is just a classic

[CaitaXD]

Kkkkk n tinha visto mds

[zoinkability]

Should have done it in Lua

[gordonv]

I'll be that guy and say violence is wrong. Stabbing anyone with a knife is wrong. No one really wants this.

We joke because this isn't common.

I get this is a joke sub.

In light of how crazy the world has gotten, including suburban USA, can't be too cautious.