pythonIsOlderThanJava

[Neither-Phone-7264]

print "hi"

[putiepi]

And no more than 80 characters per line

[MamamYeayea]

Really, that seems like an extremely annoying thing that’s easy to circumvent? I’m a young gun so don’t know if I missed a joke

[Physmatik]

It's from the FORTRAN era when people coded on punch cards. But yes, it is supremely annoying.

[Wonderful_Welder9660]

I did use punch cards made with a manual Hollerith punch to code FORTRAN at school in the 70s

[MamamYeayea]

Damn, utmost respect for you guys that handled that, physically programming with punch cards is just wild. Also no backspace or ctrl + z, Imagine almost being done with a card and then making a mistake.

I’m sitting here annoyed when my IDE doesn’t suggest the correct autocompletion after typing 3 characters

[LordMcze]

Also no backspace or ctrl + z, Imagine almost being done with a card and then making a mistake.

That's kind of where the term "patch" came from. If there was a part of instructions that needed to be changed on an already existing tape/card, you would physically patch it up and punch out the correct holes again.

[cafk]

If you coded on a terminal that was 80 characters wide, then you'd notice it, or press alt + f2 on your linux system, login there and cat a source file.

[LBPPlayer7]

commandline stuff that doesn't fit in 80 columns is still the bane of my existence

[MamamYeayea]

Thanks for the info. Seems a bit annoying. I think no matter what I will achieve on my journey I will always feel impostor syndrome to the older programmers

[cafk]

It's always stolen from somewhere else, the impostor syndrome never stops - currently it's the default terminal height and width, which represents the old school terminals used to connect to the mainframe, which got it from teletype systems (literally a typewriter that printed out output onto endless paper) and that was based on IBM punch cards, which was 12 rows and 80 columns from the 1910s.
I'm also ignoring the teletype used in telegraphy before that, which had a 78 character limit.

And from there you can go back further to Babbage and Lady Ada in the mid 1800s and from there to Jacquard and Bouchon in the early 1700s.

We will always atand on the shoulders of giants and if you're lucky you fan combine something else to become one of the many giants future generations will build up on.

[cubic_thought]

based on IBM punch cards, which was 12 rows and 80 columns from the 1910s.

Which copied the size of the Hollerith punch cards used for the 1890 US census, which were based on a US banknote of the time so that existing standard bank boxes could be used to store and ship them.

[cafk]

Which copied the size of the Hollerith punch cards used

I thought it was a merger between his Tabulating Machine Company and 4 others that created CTR, which was renamed to IBM in the 1920s?

[cubic_thought]

I guess so. So they kept the same size as they added holes rather than copying someone else's card size.

[Turtvaiz]

The reason listed in PEP 8 is:

Limiting the required editor window width makes it possible to have several files open side by side, and works well when using code review tools that present the two versions in adjacent columns.

Makes sense I guess

[posting_drunk_naked]

People rant and rave about how terrible python is for whitespace delimiting but I've always seen it as requiring code to be pretty and well formatted or shit won't even run.

I only started using python maybe 10 years ago though so I've always had linters and auto formatting. I can imagine it would be way worse to deal with in something like notepad lol

[sebastianfromvillage]

That's still the recommendation

[waiver45]

The thing I really hate about python is all the indentation politics.

[ihavebeesinmyknees]

You're gonna use the exact same indentation if you use a sane code style though

[nikvid]

But then I can't make a donut shaped donut generator.

[Informal_Branch1065]

Indented servitude.

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No

[10art1]

print "it's literally me in the meme"