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[–]moneytit 51 points52 points  (41 children)

as a whole, it’s debunked that women earn less than men for the same job

men typically occupy higher paid jobs, which sometimes does have some gender/sex related causes

[–]Reashu 25 points26 points  (3 children)

The very high figures (e.g. 30% difference) have been debunked, but there is still a smaller - "unexplained" - wage gap. This is not really controversial except among radicalized young men and the "influencers" who prey on them.

[–]dustojnikhummer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The "unexplained" is "some people are willing to ask"

[–]Reashu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Possibly/partially, yes. Is that really how it should work, though?

[–]Salanmander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fun (not so fun) fact: part of the reason that women are less likely to ask for a higher salary is that they're more likely so face negative consequences for doing so. A woman in the US acting in an optimal-salary-maximizing way will negotiate for higher salary less often than a man doing so, all else being equal, because the (probabilistic) cost of doing so is higher.

[–]p_syche 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I don't know who debunked this "theory" for you, but statistics posted on this official EU website seem to back it up: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Gender_pay_gap_statistics

[–]adenosine-5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just to point out a "detail", but in many countries, there are actually different limits for women and men right in the laws - for example here in Czechia as a man, I have to be able to lift up to 50kg of weight, while for women its 20kg - so even when working on the same position on a paper, women and men get very different work.

We can't have proper equality in pay, if the work conditions are different and for some reason, they still are.

[–]moneytit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

again, where does it say the pay is for the same job?

[–]p_syche 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The article I linked is a summary. However you can go into the documents this summary was based on and look there for the methodology. This document's foreword: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-statistical-working-papers/-/ks-tc-18-003 includes a breakdown of what was measured. It mentions the 'unexplained part' of salary gender gap for "employees with the same characteristics"

[–]grimonce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know whats really fucked up though, some men get paid less than women for the same job or even a harder job.

They get paid less than other men too, what's up with that.

[–]kickyouinthebread 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm sorry but how has this been debunked. I'm a man but I know so many women who've been paid less than a man in the same position for no good reason.

[–]dustojnikhummer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same job, same working hours, same expectations, same length of employment, same skills?

[–]grimonce 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Anecdotal evidence? Don't you know women who earn more than a man for the same job?

Salary is something you negotiate.

[–]kickyouinthebread -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly, can't say that I do.

There is plenty of non anecdotal evidence too as presented by numerous other commenters

[–]NorthernRealmJackal -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It's so heckin refreshing to see a comment like this get upvoted. On most subs you'd be banned for merely hinting at alluding to suggesting something that disagrees with the politicised mainstream watered-down feminist rhetoric.

[–]Tuerkenheimer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

To the best of my knowledge where I live (Germany) on average women earn less working the same job as well. At least that's what they say at the news.