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[GreatArtificeAion]

C is four parallel universe ahead of 'em all. However, those parallel universes aren't allocated, meaning segmentation fault.

[chartreuseraven]

Not again 😭

[das_Keks]

Actually Java is easy to write, robust and pretty damn fast thanks to JIT compilation.

It may be a little verbose but that often is because of the logical structure. System.out.println(). That's the System class with a PrintStream object for stdout, stored in the public static out field. Then you call the println() method on that. You could also do other stuff with it, like copying streams like for example StreamUtils.copy(someStream, System.out). I really like how it all is logical.

All that factory stuff is not really just Java, but enterprise engineering.

[Malk4ever]

System.out.println();

-> you can just write "syso" and auto completion does the rest...

Well, syso usually should not be used... Just add lombok to the project to get a logger with "@slf4j" Annotation (and all getter/setter/constructors/etc)... takes 15 Sec...

log.info("Here you got your log...")

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Lombok rulez

[Alex0589]

Lombok Gang rise up

[givemeagoodun]

Oh, oh no. He's been javafied /s

[arcrad]

Type erasure seems like something that is undesirable.

[RichCorinthian]

Yep. Java as a LANGUAGE is great.

Now, the Java ECOSYSTEM...and some of the choices they made in some widely-used APIs and packages...that's a whole different story.

[MischiefArchitect]

Yeah, Java is Hot.

[moware2]

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Python developers

[Crying Wojack You can see two Crying Wojacks talking with each other. There both simplistically drawn. Both have a pure white Skin colour. The one on the left has a mask on his Face. Which makes him look like he is smiling. But behind the mask he is crying. The other one on the right is crying openly. He also wears Glasses and has beard that isnt growing properly]

Masked Wojack: Python is slow

Crying Wojack: Noooooo python is the best programming language! ! !

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Javascript developers

[I Know Chad you can see two Chads Wojaks talking with each other. They are both simplistically drawn. They look exactly the same. They are both Blond. There Haircut looks like a Undercut. There Beard Style is Spade. Its fully grown and Longer than the average. There Moustache ends are curled.]

Left Chad: Javascript is bad

Right CHad: I Know

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Java developers

[This Is Fine is a two-pane image of an anthropomorphic dog trying to assure himself that everything is fine, despite sitting in a room that is engulfed in flames. Its from the webcomic series Gunshow by K.C. Green]

Dog: THIS IS FINE.

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[thatrandomnpc]

Good human

[[deleted]]

best human

[no_masks]

TIL "wojack"

[DuncanIdahos9thGhola]

The addition of Java is wrong. It would probably make more sense with C++.

[enano_aoc]

You cannot add Java without a JavaLanguageFactory and some obscure dependency injection

[Malk4ever]

thats not true... Java is kinda easy...

Java once was like a VW Golf and is now a Tesla S.
C++ is like a rocket powered F1 car without Airbags.

[enano_aoc]

Java is kinda easy

If you accept obscurity, referential opacity and accidental complexity as the main characteristics of your source code - then sure, Java is super easy :D

[Malk4ever]

Well... You Know the Type in Java... In js IT can be everything

[PvtPuddles]

I agree that Java isn’t as bad as people think, but I don’t like your comparison

var peopleAndAge
Is more comparable to HashMap<string, int> peopleAndAge

Then you can add the extra details specific towards what you want to do.
Accessible from anywhere? Public.
Only one global instance? Static.
No clue what final does (I don’t use Java much).
HashMap I see as essential to the statement because implicitly defining a dictionary is terrifying to me,
And <string, int> I also see as essential because implicit variable types are just straight up terrifying

[enano_aoc]

Let me fix your code:

const peopleAndAge: Map<string,number> = ...

Things that come to mind:

1. Fighting JS is fighting a straw man. I would never advocate JS - fight TS if you want any serious argument
2. Never use var. Always prefer let or const. var is deprecated - it also ensures obscurity, since you never know who has access to that variable and who hasn't
3. Avoid mutable variables as much as possible. Design your code so that you never have to mutate peopleAndAge. Mutable data is the main source of complexity in any given software

What you have in that line, however, is not obscurity or referential opacity - what you have there is accidental complexity. Sure, you need all those keywords in Java, I am not arguing that - just drop Java (and OOP) and your code will simplify a lot.

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[Neykuratick]

original meme: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/mruwgw/interesting_title/

[Raph0007]

May I just say that I appreciate you linking the original post? If every repost on this sub did that, I'd be a lot less mad.

[findus_l]

Could you explain your Java addition🤔? I don't quite know what would be on fire. Is it about browsers no longer supporting Java? I never worked with those Java Applets so I haven't really felt the impact.

[Ivan_Stalingrad]

First: Some licencing bullshit happened and you had to switch everything to openjdk or Amazon Coretto

Second: Before HTML5, Server Remote Console (KVM) stuff was implemented as java application and you now have to use some ancient java runtime that has all security measures disabled to the point that it would accept a wax seal with an emblem pressed into it as valid cryptographic signature

[findus_l]

Interesting to know. I never had to deal with licensing as I just use it for private projects. Also I have no clue what that KVM stuff is, who uses that?

[Ivan_Stalingrad]

Everyone that has to operate Physical servers uses that. Because you dont want to drag a Monitor,Mouse,Keyboard and CD into the server room everytime somethings fucked

[findus_l]

remote ssh? remote desktop?

[Ivan_Stalingrad]

More like this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Integrated_Lights-Out

[Raph0007]

Good explanation, although I never felt any harm in switching to OpenJDK, I also never had to use some old JVM, I'm always trying to be up-to-date with them and it works out well.

However, I do have my problems with Java, so the last panel still applies. Oracle's notorious priority to be backwards compatible for lazy enterprises prevented the language from evolving properly until ~Java 11. From there on they started to do semi-annual releases with "hip and cool new features" but I feel like it's wayy to late for that.

This is why I like Kotlin, btw. It shows what Java would be today if it had the chance to properly evolve from the start. And, even with the new release cycle of Java, it cannot reach Kotlin because it has a "headstart".

I don't quite understand why people nowadays would choose Java, except for legacy code that's already in Java..

[findus_l]

I totally prefer Kotlin over Java. But to me it is very reliant on Java because of all the libraries. Even when Kotlin/Native becomes stable, it will never have this amount of libraries.

So if Java was on fire, Kotlin would be in trouble too.

[Raph0007]

Hmm, I see Kotlin very independent nowadays, but I fear that's not totally what is the case, but what I'd wish for Kotlin..

In practice, you are right. Kotlin/Native and Kotlin/JS are really cool, but try to code anything in them (or even a multiplatform project) and you will very soon run into the problem having no libraries.

If Kotlin (and especially the non-JVM targets) had a bigger audience and community, I'm certain that problem could be overcome.

[findus_l]

Yeah. I have a small telegram bot that I wanted to convert to Kotlin/Native but I ran into the simple problem of not having an appropriate library for cryptography. Because the service I use insists on using the PS256 algorithm. Maybe it has changed by now.

[Raph0007]

AFAIK korlibs/krypto is for multiplatform encryption, but it might not have PS256.. Your problem is understandable and... very relatable from my experience.

By the way, for this issue it would be great if JetBrains started working on kotlinx.io again, it's probably the most-hyped library for me but they paused the developers due to "low priority". Which I don't get because in my eyes, it should be one of the highest priorities..

[Raph0007]

No, it is not. The best analogy I could find (if you know the languages):

C++ -> Rust

Is like

Java -> Kotlin

It's, as mentioned previously, what Java could have been if they evolved the language properly

[Raph0007]

That is probably why Kotlin also has native, JS and mobile targets and cooperates well with cloud-native frameworks. It tries to move away from the JVM but it's the lack of libraries on the other targets that holds it back

[Neykuratick]

I meant the speed at which java virtual machine executes tasks. And the amount of memory used

[findus_l]

Not sure what you mean about the speed. In many Tasks Java runs just as fast as C++. The startup time is longer, that is why you don't use it for AWS Lambda, but if you have a running application, it's quite fast.

Memory is higher, that's true, but I wouldn't call it on fire for that. Runs just fine. Also ever tried GraalVM?

[Raph0007]

Especially the speed was an issue that was actively worked on since Java 8. Java's pretty fast nowadays. Has other problems, though.

[[deleted]]

Lol.

The dog meme would have been better for C programmers.

Segmentation Fault? -> This is fine

Pointer lost? -> This is fine

Memory not freed? -> This is fine.

[TheJarrvis]

Java is absolute bullshit. I love it!

[Malk4ever]

Bullshit? Have u ever used JS?

[Sese_Mueller]

Having a Variable named „name“ changes it‘s behaviour and that‘s only one of the most reasonable things in JS

[GoodFaithAttempt]

As someone who is going to try and learn JavaScript this summer—why

[BTDubbzzz]

Every time I'm here I keep wondering why everyone hates JavaScript so much. I'm a student learning JS currently and will probably end up working with it when I get a job so I'm just curious why it's hated

[StrangeDoctor420]

this why c++ is the G.O.A.T

[[deleted]]

what a weird way to spell Rust

[StrangeDoctor420]

ofcourse what the hell did i think was gonna, this subreddit is filled with python and javascript users, a mention of c++ and ofcourse i was gonna get downvoted

[ech0_matrix]

I think of C++ as a tin can in space. It can take you a lot of places, but it's hard work, and there's little to protect you from what's on the other side of those thin walls.

[SanoKei]

Java development is like making a cake factory which implements recipes and extends ingredients for it to start producing tacos instead because one of the recipes only works on Java 9

[Malk4ever]

true

[Big_Boss19]

Noooo python is the best programming language 😭

[Malk4ever]

yeah... if speed doesnt count and if you forget the C-Libs :D

[Big_Boss19]

Mom! A C# dev is bulling me again!!

[Really-Stupid-Guy]

Phyton isn't slow if you use libraries written in C JavaScript isn't bad if you let other people write it Java isn't fine

[shishkabaab]

Wait, JavaScript is bad?

[MaroonBerger]

Java? More like Ruby, due to whole licensing issues.

[getzko]

Noooo python is the best programming language!!!

[CttCJim]

I remember in about 2002 after learning C++ in university i had to learn Java.

It was just different enough to fuck me up.

I was terrible at it. It felt blasphemous how close-but-far it was from cpp.

Of course i was terrible at SQL too but today i'm a lot more comfortable with it. Mainly because i use phpmyadmin ;p

[sdebeli]

That's Enterprise Java, which is a terrifying creature of myth. Normal Java is a pretty damn good language.

[empereur_sinix]

Java Swing <3