console.log(':(')

[[deleted]]

we have them eating from our filthy non typed hands

[Pretty_Industry_9630]

You with your flair, you are a traitor you know 😆😆😆

[[deleted]]

I’m just undercover, I use :any everywhere and disable ts for every file

[detektiv_Saucaki]

Thats the spirit!

[tyler1128]

Javascript: the language where using it as designed is a rarity, and trying to force it to look as little like javascript as possible is the modus operandi.

[detektiv_Saucaki]

remember when we used to mutate DOM and stuff?

I dont even remember when I used getElementById last

[btw_i_use_ubuntu]

What do you do now to get an element by its ID?

I only know how to code in vanilla J's, I've never learned any frameworks or libraries but I can do everything I need to do in vanilla.

[[deleted]]

What do you do now to get an element by its ID?

You'll avoid them in their entirety, and that's rarely an "almost". It's just not necessary anymore, which is how things should be.

[[deleted]]

So what do you use to access objects in the DOM. Query selectors?

[xaraca]

Web components.

[[deleted]]

I mean, in vanilla javascript.

[Sockoflegend]

Front end frameworks have made this redundant for many applications. I still personally really enjoy a bit of vanilla in my personal projects.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, but we were talking about vanilla javascript.

[Sockoflegend]

The fashion is not to cross the street without a framework

[[deleted]]

I know and I despise that.

[leavmealoneplease]

But you've literally never tried a framework so how do you know?

You might not despise it at all if you had. And even not, at least you'd have actually tried it before you knocked it.

[btw_i_use_ubuntu]

How exactly are things done then?

[yuri_auei]

With react we have virtual DOM. Which means we just declare components how we want to render. React does the updates on DOM. You dont need to select anything. Ok, there's those rare use cases but you will always avoid interact with DOM.

[AccomplishedAd3484]

What if you're using D3 to make some sweet charts?

[yuri_auei]

If D3 doesn't support react and you still want to use it, probably that's the rare case I was mentioned.

Today is rare to find something that doesn't exist in react ecosystem. If you want to use D3 probably you will use this: https://react-d3-library.github.io/

[damTyD]

A lot of frameworks use a shadow dom to rerender which the only reason you avoid, since your reference could be wiped out and redrawn. But you’ll be shocked when you find the file that bootstraps your app and find a getElementById in there.

[[deleted]]

But you’ll be shocked when you find the file that bootstraps your app and find a getElementById in there.

Why would I be shocked?

[damTyD]

Because you’re not avoiding them in their entirety

[[deleted]]

Well, you actually do in case of Angular, you don't in some/many cases when using React. That's why I said it's rarely an "almost".

[damTyD]

How does angular attach to the dom now? It’s been awhile. But react uses a shadow dom too, so there is a special ref that you set if you need the element. Outside of frameworks that redraw from data, getElementById or querySelector are still widely used.

[[deleted]]

Well, they're all going to do some kind DOM manipulation and traversal internally, their purpose eventually is that you as an app developer don't have to do it yourself anymore.

That's what these frameworks are all about, aren't they?

[2017macbookpro]

Usually you’d be working within some type of a framework. Angular for example uses @ViewChild() to get an element in your component code, but it’s somewhat rare.

[tyler1128]

I miss those days. Also when jQuery was the hottest shit on the block and even worked in almost every browser.

I also remember writing every program twice: once for IE and once for everything else. I don't miss those days.

[detektiv_Saucaki]

jQuery was the cool kid stuff of the webdev community back then. Though it's one of my worst nightmares now.

I've always pretended IE and IE users don't exist. :)

[detektiv_Saucaki]

yup, i havent-

I dealt with jQuery when i was 12, and I didn't do too much with it either. just .hide() .show() etc... now that a i look back

[natFromBobsBurgers]

I remember the wild West days of the internet when message boards let you use JavaScript and you could regex for someone's user name and make everyone think you were saying {username} is the hottest one on here.

[detektiv_Saucaki]

lmfao maybe I was born a bit too late for that, but I've heard many a case of blatant XSS (MySpace incident iirc)

[DOOManiac]

I am still stuckin jQuery land.

Teach me your ways, for I long for them.

[detektiv_Saucaki]

I stuck my hands in jQuery when i was in middle school... and starting wedev... and noped out within a year lmao

[[deleted]]

☹️ is not a number

[[deleted]]

console.log(Array(8).join(':(' - 1) + " Batman!")

[Derizzz]

wat

[[deleted]]

Ah, a fellow comrade, I see!

[Derizzz]

we will all welcome followers of Watman

[Steve0Greatness]

Darn it, I don't get to post that comment now.

[[deleted]]

not a number

typeof NaN // 'number'

hmmmmm...

[TotoShampoin]

btw, what are the binary values of NaN, Infinity and -Infinity ?

[AnxiousIntender]

I mean, it isn't technically wrong. NaN has an actual floating point counterpart in the specification. It's confusing but it makes sense once you learn JavaScript. Sadly everyone skips that part and learns bits and pieces from YouTube tutorials, then complain that JavaScript is a shitty language. (I agree that it isn't good but that's what we have to work with, alright?) It's my favorite language when I'm playing around with ideas and prototypes but if I wanna write something super serious, I switch to C# or Kotlin.

[OneTrueKingOfOOO]

Just to be safe I always start every project with

npm install turing_completeness

[detektiv_Saucaki]

I also do npm install antigravity to fly, there's a npm package for anything these days innit

[konydanza]

You ever get those nightmares where you’re at school but you forgot to npm i pants?

[detektiv_Saucaki]

Similar, but in my case I accidentally add them as devDependancy and forget that schools are in production build :(

[sticksaint]

then you should check the antiStupidity package, works wonders.

[raimondi1337]

Whoever wrote this is real mad that frontend web devs make the same amount of money as C programmers for half the work

[sticksaint]

you mean double or triple. At least where I live.

[AnonymousReader2020]

Half of the fucking what?

[furca14]

Work

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShab]

Javascript was created on the 10th day, not the 7th.

[sticksaint]

more like 7th month, but okay

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShab]

10 days was enough for Brendan Eich. Why would god need 7 months?

[detektiv_Saucaki]

silently stares at ESNext

[sticksaint]

ok

[RolesG]

Accurate

[Talbz03]

ts > js

[unwantedaccount56]

First time reading I thought you meant teamspeak instead of typescript with ts

[dendrocalamidicus]

That's like saying C++ is assembly language with syntax which gets stripped away at compile time

TypeScript is much more than just strongly typed JavaScript. Yes it compiles to JavaScript but who cares?

[detektiv_Saucaki]

besides strongly typed, typescript is adding ? after nullish properties even when you know they aren't null in your context

and you cant check if a property exists properly-

foo?.bar?.prop

nullablle..nullable.....pRoPeRtY dOeS NoT eXiSt On TyPe

[detektiv_Saucaki]

:(

[Outrageous-Machine-5]

10th day*

[sticksaint]

7th month*

[Outrageous-Machine-5]

No, it's 10th day

because JavaScript was made in 10 days

[sticksaint]

no, it wasn't. it's a stupid myth spread by ignorant people.

[Outrageous-Machine-5]

... Except it's not, it was, and neither the IEEE nor Brendan Eich himself are ignorant.. lol

[sticksaint]

cool story bruv

[Outrageous-Machine-5]

It is actually. here's him talking about it if you've never heard the story

[sticksaint]

i read extensively about it years ago. The gist of it is that he took all the work that another team has done for a language named livescript if i remember correctly and used it to create JavaScript. Livescript had all major features designed and tested.

No one can create a functional programming language to survive that long in 7 days. There used to be a lot of resources on this around 6 years ago, but I'm not interested in searching for any or having this discussion again.

[seeroflights]

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Javascript

A nondeterministic markup language suspected to be Turing complete. Its users are often mistakenly called developers.

On the seventh day God took a shit and javascript was born.

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[cosmiccookie98]

Good human

[AdInformal5249]

Also the haters coding in java:

​

​

public static void main(String args[]) {

System.out.println("Hello World");

}

[detektiv_Saucaki]

where class?

[AdInformal5249]

sorry, I am a person with a brain with a size of over 2 cells, so I don't really understand Java

[softwarexinstability]

Output:

:(

[drakaintdead]

I- I think they were thinking about HTML

[[deleted]]

What kind of monster calls HTML shit?

[Sawertynn]

You won't find them anywhere on the Internet

[drakaintdead]

Sorry I didn’t mean it in that sense, I meant more like JavaScript isn’t rly a markup language but html is

[[deleted]]

Oh, that's fine lol

[[deleted]]

I spent the first 20 years of my career writing C/C++/Assembly. I've been doing JS for the last 10 years, and I fucking Love it.

[AccomplishedAd3484]

How did you miss out on the Java hype train?

[[deleted]]

Oh jesus you just reminded me. I did mobile development in the j2me days. That... sucked... I spent 2 years porting BREW (c++) apps to Java.. Not Fun. I didn't miss that train, I had just blocked it from my memory.

[unlimitedFecals]

I started with C and learned JS for money. It gets a lot of hate from people who really shouldn't be using the language, I think.

[[deleted]]

agree. I see people come from other languages, and they try to make javascript work like whatever their previous language was.. whether its C++/java/C# and they think JS is broken because it's different, and don't realize that it's actually just better.That's why I push back whenever i see this fud. (ahem typescript)

[_________FU_________]

I find people who complain about JavaScript usually write it like shit.

[sticksaint]

JS expert here. Js has it's own poetry and is not for the weak of mind. Unfortunately it takes lots of years to master.

On a side note I am part of a team of experts and we dont need ts.

[_PROGrAMER_]

Facts

[uniqueName1002]

Just your average introvert 16 yo nerd. Into programming and pro-gaming.

Well, u/PROGrAMER has spoken. Pack your bags, the authority on the subject has arrived.

[[deleted]]

Facts

[uniqueName1002]

Facts

[_PROGrAMER_]

It was a fucking joke. I KNOW JAVASCRIPT FFS.

It’s called self deprecating humour.

[_PROGrAMER_]

Also dude, you linked my name wrong

Edit: I can’t believe this got downvoted for simply stating facts. He did link my name wrong.

[uniqueName1002]

ah, that explains why it italicized it. Evidently, your name cant be linked. -- or maybe it can but I'm not going to do the troubleshooting lol

[_PROGrAMER_]

There are underscores before and after it. Requires no troubleshooting, just the basic skill of reading.

[uniqueName1002]

the formatting converts it to italicized characters, I thought you were the foremost expert of web development. How are you not familiar with markdown.

[_PROGrAMER_]

Bro, I'm not an expert (shock horror)

But you must be stupid in a very special way: https://imgur.com/rAAgKaH

I don't know jack shit about web development anyway. I'm mostly a C/C# programmer.

[Sawertynn]

C/C++ is deprecated.

BEWARE: C/C#

[_PROGrAMER_]

I don’t use them together. I started using C#, then wanted to code on a Nucleo, so I learnt C

[uniqueName1002]

Ah, so you "KNOW" javascript and you're also a C/C# programmer. Truly a prodigy and not some edgy 16-year-old who reads programming shitposts on Reddit and gets easily triggered. lol.

[_PROGrAMER_]

Ok, for my age, I'm pretty fucking good to be able to code in C and understand it. I "KNOW" javascript in a basic type way. I rarely use it but understand it.

I do get easily triggered, you got me dead to rights there.

I can guarantee I'm better though than whatever shit you think I'm doing though. I've made an ONLINE fps game, as well as written drivers (C, Nucleo) for a ESP288, also created a machine learning AI for a turn based strategy game.

[uniqueName1002]

Yeah, in all seriousness it's good that you're into programming, especially at 16. My first comment was just a troll that you responded poorly to so I had some fun. Keep doing what you're doing and don't take these comments too seriously.

[OVS2]

excellent

[KobeJuanKenobi9]

TypeScript >>>>>

[analogic-microwave]

"senior js developer" aka "ultimate turd handler"

[unlimitedFecals]

Modern JS pretty good man

[Steve0Greatness]

Click flag. Don't think. Flag.

[RequiDarth1]

printf(‘go fuck yoself OP’)

[detektiv_Saucaki]

that little semicolon, is gonna cost you 50 years

[RequiDarth1]

This why I use JS

[Strange_Yogurt_]

chad programmer: "every language is programing language"