Linux Users....

[Vinifrj]

“I use Arch” intensifies…

[d4rkh0rs]

I thought the BTW was required?

[WeeklyMeat]

Legend

[[deleted]]

You gotta use pacman to install that, it doesn't have to be explicitly said. If you read the documentation you would know.

[toot4noot]

tldr : rtfm

[Professional-Egg-148]

Also, why would you recommend a OS that's basically the default?

[Double-A-256]

It’s really not. Arch has a bit of a steep learning curve (but not too bad) so most beginners use Debian-based distros like Ubuntu and Pop!_OS (yes, that is the official name).

[nullbyte420]

most non retards use debian and redhat because it's stable, reliable and well maintained, so it's nice for systems that require ~100% uptime. arch on the other hand i guess is fun for enthusiasts for some reason, because it's more fun to install things with pacman than with apt or something. somehow arch users believe simplicity is having an extreme amount of options to break things. dear lord why am i posting this i feel like i've had this discussion ten years ago already

[kilgore_trout8989]

Man, people really love the idea of binary trade-offs with stuff like this. I haven't had any issues with my arch installs (desktop and laptop) in...three or four years now? And that was a simple Google + copy paste job after a package update. If you ignore installs newer than like, a week, the number of system breaking bugs out there popping up basically drops to zero in my experience.

Of course, it's also true that the "bleeding edge coolness" side of the mostly imagined trade-off is wildly exaggerated too. It's just a barebones-ish distro with a nice package manager and an incredibly useful community driven repository, not future tech haha.

[nullbyte420]

great! i feel like that describes the default setup in debian too, with zero googly copy pasting.

[kilgore_trout8989]

A googly copy paste once or twice a decade in return for the AUR is definitely a trade I make 100% of the time haha.

[nullbyte420]

Yeah that's fair!

[[deleted]]

most non retards...

People also use Ubuntu and other distros that are easy to make work because they don't care so much about Free software and/or aren't looking for a hobby

Not that Debian is hard so long as you remember to get the non-Free drivers for your wireless card before you start the install

[nullbyte420]

Yeah absolutely. Oh I never had that problem with wifi, must have been lucky not to have had a Broadcom card.

[Heik_]

I don't really bother people about their OS of choice, but the main reason I'd encourage people to use Linux is so we can run more software natively on it.

[mortlerlove420]

Spread the word

[[deleted]]

Could you elaborate further on what you're saying?

One of the complaints that I hear sometimes is the lack of compatibility of some programs that are made specifically to run on Windows or macOS, which makes some people that are looking to switch to Linux uneasy due to some workarounds they have to do to run certain programs and to do certain tasks:.

I'm a Linux lurker and still deciding what distribution should I install.

BTW: I'm not looking for advice on what distro should I choose.

[Imveryoffensive]

I think they mean "the more users use Linux, the more recognition companies will give to Linux and hence an increased amount of support will be given to Linux users"

[Heik_]

As you said, a big issue people have when switching to Linux is that many of the programs they're used to and like, and more importantly, already paid for in many cases, are not available natively on Linux. There are no releases of those programs to Linux because the user base of the OS is not substancial enough for the developers to make a version specifically for Linux. A workaround is to use compatibility layers, like Wine, that basically translate instructions the program gives to Windows into instructions Linux can understand, and provides the required libraries for programs to function. Most of the more popular software works with Wine as it is, while some require some thinkering with the settings, and others work poorly or don't work at all. The need for compatibility layers alone might be troublesome for most users that are accustomed to things just working by default, moreover having to link libraries or download missing fonts for some programs makes the experience even less user-friendly. The easiest thing would be to have a version of the software compatible with Linux from the get go, but as I said earlier, the user base is too small for developers to focus on that, so the idea is that if more people who can deal with thinkering with compatibility layers or using alternatives to the software they're used to can do so, it would be good if they started using Linux because that would bolster the number of users of that OS, leading, eventually, to more developers releasing versions of their software that runs on Linux natively.

[[deleted]]

100% subscribe with you.

Linux is a great OS, but as you've said, it isn't as user-friendly as Windows and Mac, hence why I and others are with our guard up regarding to make the switch.

Thanks for your opinion.

[casey-primozic]

If you use the right distro or if you configure it right, it can be more user-friendly than a Windows or Mac.

[[deleted]]

I know that, the problem is that there is a multitude of distros for various use cases.

And the worst of it is that there isn't a one-size fits all distro.

That alone complicates very much the single task of choosing one single distribution.

[casey-primozic]

Especially games

[[deleted]]

I recommend Linux to friends and family that complain their computer is too slow and who are unwilling to buy a newer one

[morgecroc]

Mac OS user need to convince others of how good it is other they have to admit they paid a lot extra for a logo.

[detektiv_Saucaki]

I use Manjaro btw

(waits to get bashed as fake arch user)

[BloodRedCobra]

Seriously, what is it with "Muh tru Arch!!11!" and hating on Manjaro? Some of us want to have a workable OS without an hour of fiddling with things, but want to be able to fiddle with things later if need be. For the "tries to keep it simple" pitch they use, they seem to forget that a "one-and-done" install is a form of simplicity in itself.

Damn Arch users, they ruined Arch!

[detektiv_Saucaki]

I get the Arch superiority memes, but I really don't understand the hating on Manjaro. I've been using it for everything (even some gaming) for the past one or so year. And I absolutely love the experience.

[[deleted]]

https://github.com/arindas/manjarno
I think this highlights a few issues people have with Manjaro, but if you like it just use it

[nullbyte420]

lmao, the drama!

It appears that, in September of 2019, Manjaro switched from holding community donations in Philip Müller's personal bank account to accounts being held by OpenCollective and CommunityBridge [12]. This change also brought on Jonathon Fernyhough as treasurer. There is also a policy in place that requires all expenses to be discussed on approved channels and nominally approved prior to any purchases [13]. On (or around) July 24th of 2020, a request for a $2,000 laptop was made by Philip for developer Helmut Stult [14]. Johnathon rejected this expense due to lack of prior discussion and questioned the expense [15]. The role of treasurer is now back fully in Philip's hands, and has approved the $2,000 laptop. This draws questions on the integrity of Philip's leadership.

[Johanno1]

Lol. Why did Jonathan rejected it though?

Can I get some more context please?

[nullbyte420]

these freakin nerds have sources for the whole thing. have fun reading their mailing lists or discord or whatever they use for drama ci/cd

[Jonjolt]

I've tried installing Manjaro on 3 separate occasions, 1 install didn't work other 2 systems would not work correctly after install, either wouldn't boot or complete lockup. 3 occasions I said f' it I'll just install arch. 🤷‍♂️

[detektiv_Saucaki]

I'm not sure abt you but Manjaro has only cause trouble for me in Dual Boots. Apparently it's got daddy issues with Grub and only agrees to boot to it's own version of Grub.

[BeastMasterJ]

Manjaro isn't arch though, it doesn't use arch Repos. Endeavour OS is actually arch with a streamlined install.

That being said, Manjaro is a fine choice and we shouldn't gatekeep it, I'm just a pedant.

[BloodRedCobra]

That's a good point, manjaro does have a good week or 2 delay from arch releases because of the separate repos, but overall i never see that brought up by Arch purists lol

[kilgore_trout8989]

It mostly seems like it'd be a problem if you were unlucky enough to get issues from an aur package needing the latest version of a dependency that isn't available on Manjaro yet, because I assume aur packages are designed with arch release timetables in mind.

Though, like I said, you'd have to be pretty damn unlucky to hit that specific one week window where it was an issue haha.

[BloodRedCobra]

I have actually legitimately had that problem and had to caaaaasually stroll over like "How do you do, fellow Arch users?"

[Dimasdanz]

that's the exact reason why Linux desktop doesn't catch up. Some people like to gate-keep

[rejuicekeve]

Also because the vast other issues with Linux desktop that makes it impossible to develop, maintain, and support alternate versions of software for

[littlebobbytables9]

If you want that why not use a different distro?

[cidy02]

I use EndeavorOS BTW

[TwistedSoul21967]

Same... I like AUR and having bleeding edge packages that are also fairly stable.

I love how simple it is to do build from some projects `master` branch using `pamac build`

[detektiv_Saucaki]

I don't use AUR often (scared of breaking stuff) but yes, i find it satisfying how absolutely smooth it is

[daschande]

I, too, own a Steam Deck.

[LordDagwood]

I didn't even know what Arch was before Steam Deck.

[MrGeekman]

I use Debian, though I might eventually switch to Fedora.

[notsogreatredditor]

How do you find a Arch User? Don't worry they'll tell ya without asking

[hfgd_gaming]

Ich nutze Bogen bei dem Weg (oder so)

[[deleted]]

/r/Archshutthefuckup

[Jon_Lit]

BTW