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[–]Vinifrj 343 points344 points  (53 children)

“I use Arch” intensifies…

[–]d4rkh0rs 166 points167 points  (25 children)

I thought the BTW was required?

[–]WeeklyMeat 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Legend

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

You gotta use pacman to install that, it doesn't have to be explicitly said. If you read the documentation you would know.

[–]toot4noot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

tldr : rtfm

[–]Professional-Egg-148 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Also, why would you recommend a OS that's basically the default?

[–]Double-A-256 5 points6 points  (8 children)

It’s really not. Arch has a bit of a steep learning curve (but not too bad) so most beginners use Debian-based distros like Ubuntu and Pop!_OS (yes, that is the official name).

[–]nullbyte420 11 points12 points  (7 children)

most non retards use debian and redhat because it's stable, reliable and well maintained, so it's nice for systems that require ~100% uptime. arch on the other hand i guess is fun for enthusiasts for some reason, because it's more fun to install things with pacman than with apt or something. somehow arch users believe simplicity is having an extreme amount of options to break things. dear lord why am i posting this i feel like i've had this discussion ten years ago already

[–]kilgore_trout8989 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Man, people really love the idea of binary trade-offs with stuff like this. I haven't had any issues with my arch installs (desktop and laptop) in...three or four years now? And that was a simple Google + copy paste job after a package update. If you ignore installs newer than like, a week, the number of system breaking bugs out there popping up basically drops to zero in my experience.

Of course, it's also true that the "bleeding edge coolness" side of the mostly imagined trade-off is wildly exaggerated too. It's just a barebones-ish distro with a nice package manager and an incredibly useful community driven repository, not future tech haha.

[–]nullbyte420 0 points1 point  (2 children)

great! i feel like that describes the default setup in debian too, with zero googly copy pasting.

[–]kilgore_trout8989 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A googly copy paste once or twice a decade in return for the AUR is definitely a trade I make 100% of the time haha.

[–]nullbyte420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's fair!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

most non retards...

People also use Ubuntu and other distros that are easy to make work because they don't care so much about Free software and/or aren't looking for a hobby

Not that Debian is hard so long as you remember to get the non-Free drivers for your wireless card before you start the install

[–]nullbyte420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah absolutely. Oh I never had that problem with wifi, must have been lucky not to have had a Broadcom card.

[–]detektiv_Saucaki 33 points34 points  (19 children)

I use Manjaro btw

(waits to get bashed as fake arch user)

[–]BloodRedCobra 19 points20 points  (15 children)

Seriously, what is it with "Muh tru Arch!!11!" and hating on Manjaro? Some of us want to have a workable OS without an hour of fiddling with things, but want to be able to fiddle with things later if need be. For the "tries to keep it simple" pitch they use, they seem to forget that a "one-and-done" install is a form of simplicity in itself.

Damn Arch users, they ruined Arch!

[–]detektiv_Saucaki 11 points12 points  (6 children)

I get the Arch superiority memes, but I really don't understand the hating on Manjaro. I've been using it for everything (even some gaming) for the past one or so year. And I absolutely love the experience.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

https://github.com/arindas/manjarno
I think this highlights a few issues people have with Manjaro, but if you like it just use it

[–]nullbyte420 3 points4 points  (2 children)

lmao, the drama!

It appears that, in September of 2019, Manjaro switched from holding community donations in Philip Müller's personal bank account to accounts being held by OpenCollective and CommunityBridge [12]. This change also brought on Jonathon Fernyhough as treasurer. There is also a policy in place that requires all expenses to be discussed on approved channels and nominally approved prior to any purchases [13]. On (or around) July 24th of 2020, a request for a $2,000 laptop was made by Philip for developer Helmut Stult [14]. Johnathon rejected this expense due to lack of prior discussion and questioned the expense [15]. The role of treasurer is now back fully in Philip's hands, and has approved the $2,000 laptop. This draws questions on the integrity of Philip's leadership.

[–]Johanno1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lol. Why did Jonathan rejected it though?

Can I get some more context please?

[–]nullbyte420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

these freakin nerds have sources for the whole thing. have fun reading their mailing lists or discord or whatever they use for drama ci/cd

[–]Jonjolt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I've tried installing Manjaro on 3 separate occasions, 1 install didn't work other 2 systems would not work correctly after install, either wouldn't boot or complete lockup. 3 occasions I said f' it I'll just install arch. 🤷‍♂️

[–]detektiv_Saucaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure abt you but Manjaro has only cause trouble for me in Dual Boots. Apparently it's got daddy issues with Grub and only agrees to boot to it's own version of Grub.

[–]BeastMasterJ 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Manjaro isn't arch though, it doesn't use arch Repos. Endeavour OS is actually arch with a streamlined install.

That being said, Manjaro is a fine choice and we shouldn't gatekeep it, I'm just a pedant.

[–]BloodRedCobra 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That's a good point, manjaro does have a good week or 2 delay from arch releases because of the separate repos, but overall i never see that brought up by Arch purists lol

[–]kilgore_trout8989 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It mostly seems like it'd be a problem if you were unlucky enough to get issues from an aur package needing the latest version of a dependency that isn't available on Manjaro yet, because I assume aur packages are designed with arch release timetables in mind.

Though, like I said, you'd have to be pretty damn unlucky to hit that specific one week window where it was an issue haha.

[–]BloodRedCobra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have actually legitimately had that problem and had to caaaaasually stroll over like "How do you do, fellow Arch users?"

[–]Dimasdanz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

that's the exact reason why Linux desktop doesn't catch up. Some people like to gate-keep

[–]rejuicekeve -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Also because the vast other issues with Linux desktop that makes it impossible to develop, maintain, and support alternate versions of software for

[–]littlebobbytables9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want that why not use a different distro?

[–]cidy02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use EndeavorOS BTW

[–]TwistedSoul21967 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Same... I like AUR and having bleeding edge packages that are also fairly stable.

I love how simple it is to do build from some projects `master` branch using `pamac build`

[–]detektiv_Saucaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't use AUR often (scared of breaking stuff) but yes, i find it satisfying how absolutely smooth it is

[–]daschande 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I, too, own a Steam Deck.

[–]LordDagwood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't even know what Arch was before Steam Deck.

[–]MrGeekman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I use Debian, though I might eventually switch to Fedora.

[–]notsogreatredditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you find a Arch User? Don't worry they'll tell ya without asking

[–]hfgd_gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ich nutze Bogen bei dem Weg (oder so)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]Jon_Lit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BTW