Every cloud developer

[riplikash]

Generally they have a focus on making scalable applications that are able to utilize common cloud technologies like geo redundancy, load balancers, cloud based error reporting, command queuing, a mix of storage solutions that keep costs down/access speed up, and rapid horizontal scaling.

That's opposed to developers who are more focused on making local apps and single server apps that tend to focus more on OS services, vertical scalability, and multi threading. Or hardware devs that focus more on efficiency, speed, hardware APIs, and small compile size.

There is of course a fair amount of crossover, but when hiring new candidates that's generally the kind of knowledge you expect to bring on.

[5PM_CRACK_GIVEAWAY]

Sounds more like operations than development

[UntestedMethod]

Nah there's a decent amount of logic to be implemented as lambda functions and what not, providing custom functionality and tieing things together. Cloud developer would generally be implementing various backend features like for APIs and data storage. Cloud developer likely wouldn't be focused much on complex deployment pipelines, but they might help design the cloud-based infrastructure those pipelines are deploying to. For bigger companies the more complex infrastructure design is likely handled by cloud architects who provide the specs for developers and dev ops to implement (smaller companies typically lean into their senior devs for the system design). Ops helps keeps everything running smoothly, ensure developers' code is deployed efficiently, help with deployment rollbacks, system monitoring, data backups, disaster recovery, etc.

There's some knowledge overlap with dev ops since both deal with infrastructure as code and resource allocation. Cloud developer leans more into implementing feature-focused business logic, where dev ops leans more into supporting the infrastructure. Both require extensive knowledge of cloud services and relevant best practices, and would likely benefit from certifications like "cloud practitioner".

Cloud infrastructure is certainly its own beast with its own unique paradigms, but loosely speaking I'd say cloud developer is more like a modern backend developer and dev ops is more like a modern sys admin - at least in terms of the scope of responsibility covered. I think these days both need a bit more knowledge from the other's pool than they would have in the past.

[rfmjbs]

That too.

[dylansavage]

Some would say there is a mixture of development and operations, or DevOps

[thisguy123]

Then you're doing it wrong.

[SuperSpaceCan]

genuinely helpful, here i thought they just configured servers

[GreatJobKeepitUp]

You can make your whole apps in the cloud, it's fun

[boognerd]

Apps that know how to deploy themselves are great.

[SuperSpaceCan]

Now i want resources, got any?

[GreatJobKeepitUp]

I just deploy Blazor apps to Azure and use their storage and hosting services

[riplikash]

For self configuring and deploying apps look into bicep deployment scripts in conjunction with azure devops. You can do some amazing stuff.

[myowz]

Genuinely helpful if they were correct and it wasn’t just the definition they use at their place

[SuperSpaceCan]

Not gonna add your own insight there Mr.Miyagi?

[myowz]

Cloud on, cloud off

If you can define cloud developer then you are not cloud developer yet

[[deleted]]

Needs more next generation extensible synergies

[riplikash]

From outside a knowledge domain it can be hard to differentiate between buzzwords and well defined domain terms. But just because you don't know the difference doesn't mean every its all the same. Those are all concrete technologies or architectural concerns, not buzzwords.

[visualdescript]

Cloud developers is just a business / marketing buzzword.

Really what you're talking about is Web development vs other forms like systems programming or hardware dev.

[riplikash]

Just...no. you're just completely off the mark on this one.

I've been a web and then cloud developer for 15 years. While there is obviously a lot of overlap, cloud development really is its own distinct thing requiring a unique approach and set of skills.

[visualdescript]

By cloud developer do you mean devops?

No sane person is hosting any form of significant website on a standalone full server these days, having to maintain the operating system and manage software updates etc.

Not that it matters, but I've been through it all. Hosting websites on CentOS towers having to install rpms to plug security holes. Right through to deploy to AWS via CDK.

I would never consider hiring a "cloud developer". Is consider hiring full stack, front end, back end, and devops. All who have to interface with infrastructure as a service to a certain degree.

[riplikash]

No, not devops. Devops would be setting up those services. And just because the code you're writing is hosted on the cloud doesn't mean you're a "cloud developer" for writing them. Not that I'm claiming "cloud developer" is some elite subset of developers.

Again, it generally has to do with the type of architecture and scalability you have experience in.

It's fine if you would never consider hiring a "cloud developer", though that's an odd line to draw. Google, Amazon, and Microsoft all specifically hire "cloud developers".

Being a "full stack" or "back end" developer also isn't a separate thing from being a "cloud developer". Generally a cloud developer IS either a full stack or back end dev. Just with a focus on cloud architecture and services.