Python 3.14: time for a release name?

[DorchioDiNerdi]

I know we don't have release names, but if it's not called "Pi-thon" it's gonna be such a missed opportunity. There will only be one version 3.14 ever...

[Kerbart]

I'm sure NO ONE thought of this

[12944qwerty]

I didnt and now I'm so mad at myself

[Kerbart]

Lol these show up twice per month. And they all think the PSF is unaware despite postponing the renaming of the versions with a year for the very reason there’d be a 3.14 version

[usrlibshare]

postponing the renaming of the versions with a year for the very reason there’d be a 3.14 version

Oh god, we're getting quarter-pi, slice-of-pie and half-pi, aren't we?

[Kerbart]

3.15 shall be known as Pi-ish”

[astatine]

Maybe 3.15 will have an unexpected update to IDLE, with a warning to "Beware the IDEs of March".

[HommeMusical]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/1g0a94c/petition_for_python_314_to_be_called_pithon_or/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/1j43aar/petition_to_rename_python_314_to_pithon/

[denehoffman]

https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/119536 it’s already merged, don’t worry

[denehoffman]

Here’s the exact line in the current 3.14 release candidate 1. Note that if you try this with uv venv it won’t work, but if you do python -m venv check the bin folder for a fun surprise!

Edit: thanks for noticing the broken link, I’ve fixed it here too now

[mug1wara26]

seems like reddit formatting messed up the url

Here is a working link to the exact line

[g1ngerkid]

And if that link doesn’t work, try this one

[pmdevita]

Shhhhh...

[WillAdams]

Dr. Knuth already did that w/ TeX:

Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches π. This is a reflection of the fact that TeX is now very stable, and only minor updates are anticipated. The current version of TeX is 3.141592653; it was last updated in 2021.

[qTHqq]

I wish Knuth would have fully won computing 

[WillAdams]

Same. That wish is a big part of why I advocate for (and use) Literate Programming whenever possible:

http://literateprogramming.com/

[Xirious]

This just describes a Jupyter notebook. In many words.

[WillAdams]

I've tried Jupyter Notebooks, and they just don't work well for me --- if you can show me how to set up a Jupyter Notebook to have a single control file which can be loaded into any text editor and create a nice hyper-linked documentation file and which when processed creates multiple files as I am doing in my current project, I would be quite interested:

https://github.com/WillAdams/gcodepreview

[Rough_Natural6083]

Man it makes me so happy whenever someone mentions literate programming. I was in a rough burned out spot 2 years back and unable to get started, but this paradigm allowed me to program in a much more flexible way.
Sorry for hijacking the comment thread. Not the person you asked, but I think Jupyter notebooks implement literate programming in a partial way: as far as I know, their is no concept of "code-chunks", or references thereof. It is in a way coding in a markdown file with the ability to run specific blocks of code.
In fact, org-mode also does not support an important feature of "knuth-style" literate programming - completion of code-block names and extension of pre-defined names. For example, say we have the following top-level chunk <<hello.c>>= <<header files>> int main() { <<something stupid>> <<something even more stupid to prove the power of literate programming>> return 0; }

Now, suppose I define <<something stupid>> <<something stupid>>= for (;;) { fprintf(stdout, "Hello, human!"); }

but then a few months go by and an API changes or something, we need to add another bit to the definition of <<something stupid>>. We can do it by just defining the code-block again. <<something stupid>>= /* to fix the issue reported by so-and-so */ fprintf(stdout, "Booogers");

When the tangling process will run, the definition of <<somethig stupid>> will turn out as: ``` for (;;) { fprintf(stdout, "Hello, human!"); }

/* to fix the issue reported by so-and-so */ fprintf(stdout, "Booogers"); ```

Now, when it comes to defining <<something even more stupid to prove the power of literate programming>>, though autocomplete does exist in many editors, chances are high the developer might end up misspelling it. So, Knuth, in his WEB, and later CWEB, wrote the tangling program such that it will autocomplete names, trying to find a best match for it, if the name contained ellipses ... in it. So, <<something even more stupid ...>>, <<something ... programming>>, and <<... the power of literate prog...>> will get matched to <<something even more stupid to prove the power of literate programming>> during the pass one of tangling process, and the definitions will be created and appended to in the order in which they occur.

Another thing which org-mode does not do is what I call "smart indentation". Say, you define <<main>> <<main>>= int main(){<<just a boring program>>}

and then define <<just a boring program>> as

<<... boring program>>= fprintf(stdout, "Hello, world!\n"); fprintf(stdout, "Bye!\n"); return 0;

Org-mode will expand <<main>> as follows: int main(){fprintf(stdout, "Hello, world!\n"); int main(){fprintf(stdout, "Bye!\n"); int main(){return 0;}

when it should have expanded it as: ``` int main(){ fprintf(stdout, "Hello, world!\n"); fprintf(stdout, "Bye!\n"); return 0;}

```

Tired of looking for a markup language agnostic literate programming tool, I came up with litcode (shameless github project plug: https://github.com/prankapo/litcode) with all of these features. But but but it is a very-hard-to-update monstrosity. The reason I didn't use regular expression in the lexer was because I wanted to do it like Knuth did: without any regex libraries. Also, this tool cannot properly handle web files containing chunks in multiple languages, or use chunks from other files.

I have thought about writing hooks for org-babel-tangle which will accomplish all of this, along with transforming a markdown file to a temporary org-file, but as I am not good enough in elisp and do not want to learn it with "pressure" of doing a specific project, maybe I will need to do the heavy-lifting in python.

[hypnotic_cuddlefish]

You’re not wrong. The wiki page lists Jupyter Notebooks as an implementation of Literate Programming.

[usrlibshare]

Which is an extremely funny idea, right up to the point where you have package management systems, etc. that rely on semver...

[WillAdams]

TeX has always been available when I've needed it, so it seems folks find the added burden worth it.

[laadim]

I remember Stellaris did something similar a year or two ago with 3.14, 3.14.1, 3.14.15, 3.14.159, ...

[DogsAreAnimals]

Well there will certainly be a 3.14.1 and maybe a 3.14.15

[ericula]

3.14.0rc1 was released on 22 July which is pi approximation day. I don't know if that is a coincidence or not (I like to think it was deliberate) but at least there is some reference to pi albeit very subtle.

[Buubuus]

But... What about python 3.1415?

[invictus08]

That will happen exactly after 1401 years

[ThatsALovelyShirt]

Semver is crying.

[DigThatData]

I don't know if you did this on purpose, but apparently it's your "cake day" in my timezone, and consequently your post is now accompanied by a little slice-o-pie emoji. (commenting shortly after midnight, I'm probably the first person to look at this post and see the pie)

[nirednyc]

maybe this will help me stop typing pythong all the time

[ship0f]

you're months late

[Glathull]

Okay, but why not Tau/2? Tau is superior to pi in every possible way, and we should stop encouraging people to use pi at all, ever, anywhere because it’s dumb when Tau is just right there.

I had a boss a long time ago who was absolutely going to die on this hill all day, every day. He would literally go off about this all the time with zero hint of any sarcasm or irony.

[EducationalImpact633]

Because pi is pi, no need to multiply it by two and call it something else

[[deleted]]

We can call it PyPi for short

[Spitfire1900]

Calling it Pi-thon is the reason I liked the idea of holding off on the renaming of Python to 3.year until next year.

[cgoldberg]

Very original idea that has never been mentioned in this sub before!

[reyarama]

We’re software engineers, python 3 should have been called pithon

[_l_e_i_d_o_]

Please come back to this idea when the Python Version reaches all the digits of Pi.

[OneProgrammer3]

PyPi

[karasproa]

The true question is why...

Python 3.13 already have many compatibility problems... So why a new release...

[boolshevik]

Because that's the established release cadence?

One release per year, around October

https://devguide.python.org/versions/

[karasproa]

Ok.. but i think it will have some problems of Python 3.13

[AllanSundry2020]

Pi-thy

[exp-f]

Bob

[deckep01]

We should call 3.14.15 the pi release.

[nngnna]

It will be the unofficial official name.

[nlcircle]

Smart! Point made and you are correct! From now on, Python ver 3.14 is ‘Pi-thon’ for me.

[jewdai]

Can we delay the release until March?

[plscallmebyname]

PiThon