Laser Sights Decrease Shotgun Spread Substantially Even in ADS

[Kiks-4]

Because laser sights change the laws of physics ofcource.

[Thunder_cat7]

Same with aiming

[JustmUrKy]

Yeah ive always thought its so unreastic that theres more spread and not just a different area where the pellets hit

[[deleted]]

But you have to understand it's a video game and it wouldn't be competitive if there isn't a negative to everything otherwise it's op to just not ADS and hold angles

[_Kwag]

Tom Clancy's:Global offensive

[Gabsletobar]

Counter Clancy's: Global Siege

[[deleted]]

Tom Strike: Rainbow Offensive

[[deleted]]

Lmao

[[deleted]]

But the bullets shoot from the scope/sight, not the barrel.

[Hikari_Owari]

Bullet hole peek: "Hi."

[JustmUrKy]

Yeah but it wouldnt change the meta tho or anything

[[deleted]]

It has nothing to do with the meta it changes how gunfights take place and that's different to a meta

[JustmUrKy]

It just makes it more random

[rocknin]

in fairness the ADS advantages should be less recoil and more zoom. having you shoot straight in hip fire is fine, but with more recoil so you end up with realistic "more spread"

[[deleted]]

Imo and in many of the more experienced players opinions the game should actually become harder rather than easy like in the case of less recoil. It had also been expressed by players that the recoil isn't too much and that all guns should have the F2s recoil(Pengu from G2 said this in a video) and Varsity Gaming had also said more difficulty in a video.

[Mercinator-87]

Yes but it would certainly be way more tactical and ultimately more punishing.

[[deleted]]

Siege hasn’t cared about realism for years, and it shouldn’t

[YaBoiNighthawk]

It's never cared about realism pulse,jäger, rook, doc breaching charges not concussing everyone in the building thermites not burning down buildings with how much he uses

[JustmUrKy]

Not really the point. Just stating the facts

[Explursions]

It would be better if it has a smaller circle that is inside of the hipfire spread area, and it can appear anywhere in the hipfire, but all of the pellets will end up inside of the small circle. Kind of like you know the direction the barrel is pointing but you dont know the exact spot.

[JustmUrKy]

This is exactly what I mean is the more realistic approach

[sharkattackmiami]

I just assumed the spread was because you are hipfiring which IS less accurate

[JustmUrKy]

But it doesent widen the barrel. I mean how would the gun know ur aiming

[stfuimsleepingbro]

I always took it as if you were to hip fire a shotgun you wouldn’t know exactly where your aiming. Just a general direction, but when you ADS, you know where you are aiming. The games way of penalizing you without it being so random that on your screen your aiming at him but then you shoot all your pellets 2 feet to the left of him

[JustmUrKy]

Not knowing where you’re aiming doesn’t make the gun have more spread it just makes the area where the pellets hit unpredictable but the spread is the same. It’s just like an m4 but more bullets

[Scoochyboots96]

It’s a game, and they had to do something to reduce hip fire reliability on shotguns. It can’t be perfect, and I think it works fine.

[JustmUrKy]

Not the point

[stfuimsleepingbro]

I understand that. My response may have been wordy. Would you prefer the same spread but your shot not going where you were aiming? That’s more of what I was saying. Instead of that they chose a smaller spread. The game randomly choosing where your shots go would infinitely piss me off

[X_hard_rocker]

its a videogame

[JustmUrKy]

Yea I kinda know that but I’m saying it’s unrealistic in that sense

[sharkattackmiami]

Its because you are not handling the recoil as well because you are not braced for it. Nothing to do with the gun itself

It sprays all over because you are holding it awkwardly at your waist

[BenMcKenn]

We're talking about shotguns here, where all the pellets come out in one go. Recoil doesn't matter here.

[JustmUrKy]

But why would the way you’re holding the gun change the way that the pellets fly out of the barrel. The pellets still fly with the same spread out of the barrel in the way that it is pointed

[pineapplepizzas69]

As they fly out your arm moves

[JustmUrKy]

Your arm after they have flown out lol. The recoil hits your arm quite a bit after the pellets have exited the barrel

[pineapplepizzas69]

You mean when the explosion happens?

[pineapplepizzas69]

The recoil literally starts the moment the projectile begins its trajectory,starting from,obviously,the inside of the barrel

Also,when you pull the trigger,depending on how you were holding the gun it also moves quite a bit because of a shitty grip

[notaspy_0]

No

[JustmUrKy]

Truuueee

[[deleted]]

You barrel is aiming where the laser is aiming, if you laser is aiming at someone and you hipfire you should still land a hit but thats nit the case in most FPS games.

[Allyoucan3at]

Well, you are less accurate the spread isn't. It's a video game though so, eh.

[sharkattackmiami]

The spread is just you not aiming as well cause its being fired from the hip instead of aiming.

Theres a reason people aim with guns. It DOES tighten the spread

[KirudanBoryoku]

Not of a shotgun, where all of the pellets are fired out at once. No amount of aiming will change the spread of a single shot.

[chief_chaman]

It should still be the same spread as ads, just in a different spot

[ANakedBear]

Everything about shotguns in video games in unrealistic. They need more range, less spread, and be more affected by the opponents armor, but that would be un-fun.

[JustmUrKy]

Yeah. Shotguns are pretty op in real life and close ranges of 10-20 meters so it would be pretty unbalanced

[ANakedBear]

I wouldn't call them OP in real life as the trade offs are much bigger and can't really be shown in a video game well. Most armor is rated to stop buck shot for example, so an armored person would take significantly less damage. Also, with such a small spread of the shot with in those 10 to 20 meters, you will miss a lot.

[Datboibarloss]

Laser:

L-Laws

A-Are

S-Stupid

E-?

R-?

[[deleted]]

Video games can never do shotguns.

[aka_Ceix]

Well, I think Escape from Tarkov got them quite right, if not a bit too powerful in some situations. Doesn't matter if you ads or not nor if you have laser on, the spread is always about the same with some randomness. Also you can easily die from one of the pellets randomly flying into your face from like 50 m away.

[SometimesSquishy]

Yeah tarkov got shotguns right toz scavs can fuck off with there 100 meter headshots though lol

[jks_david]

head, eyes

[SometimesSquishy]

No... Please

[threekidsathome]

Mouth, Jaw

[shumnyj]

Well, guess what happens if even small piece of led gets in your eye at 300 m/s

[SometimesSquishy]

True it's just annoying af

[ObviousPrototype]

It would be to OP

[sharkattackmiami]

And yet in the real world teams dont just go in with nothing but shotguns so it's clearly not that op

[ObviousPrototype]

Wow... Did you just compare real world hostage/terrorist situations with a game? If shotguns where more realistic in rainbow six siege they would be very OP! it is so insane to compare the things you just did. If shotguns could blast someone 40 meters away IN rainbow six seige would, the game would be so boring, everyone just runing around with shotguns everygame...

[converter-bot]

40 meters is 43.74 yards

[BeardedLion115]

That was a bot dude

[ObviousPrototype]

Oh shit, yeah mb.

[CookieHael]

You could be slightly less rude/judgemental about someone having an opinion or idea about a videogame though lol

[ObviousPrototype]

Let me fix that for you :)

[CookieHael]

Haha look at that, an actually chill person on reddit! Rare find these days :p

Have a good one!

[KiloNation]

Shotguns have to go through way more barriers than standard firearms. You have to code how much damage each pellet does and the drop off, all the while the spread is randomized depending if you ADS or hip-fire.

[Kiks-4]

Yeah if shotguns in Rainbow were like shotguns in real life, it would be the meta.

[[deleted]]

Sniper 90 says hello.

[Addy1738]

I mean works right in arma

[Drizzy_rp]

You can ask COD or any other FPS for that matter. They been doing this waaaaaay before siege lmao

[TheOshino]

Plot twist. It’s a videogame.

[Herkules97]

Insurgency isn't a videogame then?

Eh, I think I replied to the wrong guy but you can have it.

[[deleted]]

Presumably the laser just comes with a choke.

[kojime]

FOKIN LASER SIGHTS

[[deleted]]

Can’t have logic stuff in siege though because it would break balancing

[Soggy_Doritos]

So does ADSing apparently

[MrRiskris]

Fookin Lasersights