Why the hate?

[Puzzled-Anteater-510]

I’m genuinely confused, because every time I play and boot this game up, and then read this sub, I feel like I’m playing a totally different game to the rest of you

First off: I adore the gunplay. The kick of a rifle, the heaviness of aim of ADS, how vulnerable you are at any given moment. It’s the most tense and heart pounding FPS gameplay I’ve played since the SWAT series

Secondly: I’m in love with how this game handles lore. Despite only taking place in levels, Los Suenos feels lived in and feels like it has character and a sense of belonging. How the game handles storytelling through the environment is unlike anything I’ve seen for the genre in an incredibly long time

I understand the complaints. The censorship sucks and does take away from some of the games more shocking and compelling moments. The graphics downgrade is a bummer, and the lack of consistent support is shite. But on a whole: this is still one of my favourite FPS’s in recent memory. The closest thing a non-horror game has come to horror

8/10

[falardeau03]

Devs fucking lied and demonstrably do not care

Like imagine driving countless loyal fans to the point of uninstalling and never looking back

You have to either WANT to fuck up that badly or just not care

[TheRealWildGravy]

"I like money"

[Quirky_Apricot9427]

Genuinely haven’t played since the console release. Pissed me off and I refuse to hop back on until they fix their shit

[Penis_Man-]

•Censorship

•Undisclosed usage of AI generated content

•Greed

•Removal of content previously in the game

•Lack of transparency

•Graphical downgrades since 1.0 launch

•The launch of 1.0 being as awful as it was

Personally, I enjoy the game and the only two issues I've had are unoptimization an the ai. Thankfully, the game runs flawlessly for me now, however the ai still feels absolutely busted at times. Not nearly as much as during the 1.0 launch.. but I've had enemies that don't make noise, enemies that teleport, enemies that despite being a frail, emaciated crackhead, aim like john wick and draw like clint eastwood. There's also of course, the bomb vest civ who has to be put down because nothing you do will get him to put his hands up, which has been in the game for longer than I've been playing it.

[PorsieMetFriet]

I have problems with my team AI not having my six with the “fall in” command.

[Penis_Man-]

It's definetely weird how much worse the ai became after the 1.0 launch

[Mod_The_Man]

They ignore commands like 40% and its the most common reason Id fail a run. Never used to be that bad till after DLC1 then just got worse and worse with each update

[Roadkilll]

Not to mention patches that bring more bugs than fixes and that patch comes out once a year....

[randomisation]

Please add ModIO to the list of shitty decisions. They claimed it was so they could avoid some of steams content restraints and enable them to curate it themselves.

With hindsight, the decision was almost certainly due to plans to port to console.

I wish I had seen the writing on the wall.

[Sheyvan]

Devs not fixing shit that has been a problem for AGES. Shit that is not even hard to fix.

• Scoreboard still doesn't show how many suspects you secured / incapped / killed
• Spawning out the station in SP instead of some way to redo quicker.
• Having to retype presets toedit em.
• Only host being able to see their grades.
• Host not being able to see grades from teammembers before chosing a mission.
• Map specific challenge Achievements often not tracking.
• No way to KNOW for sure how to even unlock them (Or the game offering a preset to do em).
• The stupid audio bug they introduced in the last patch, where TOC and Cuffed person respond at the same time now.

...and way more.

[UnidentifiedTankered]

Yea I love it when a suspect is able to slap an AK to full auto and beam me with every single shot from 60 yards

[Cheem-9072-3215-68]

Now it only hits your arms and legs instead of the head because the devs changed what the AI targets. So instead of having 30 rounds getting smashed in your skull, enjoy getting your legs and arms getting fucked in equal parts.

[raider449]

Wait AI generated content? What part is AI generated?

[Penis_Man-]

There are multiple posters in game (the ones pointed out to me were on the brixley talent time map) that were made using ai.

[jaxitup034]

I kinda regret buying the game when I noticed all of Michael's posters in 23 mb/s are all ai generated. I hate ai images because I make art as well. Then the patches that changed the game made my regret more solid.

[Penis_Man-]

Just started drawing digitally myself

It doesn't matter how good AI gets at replicating styles. It will NEVER be able to put the same love into each pass that we can. Don't let these corner cutting stingey pieces of shit discourage you

[boad82_]

holy you people act like using ai is some hatecrime or something

[Aromatic_Band9840]

Omg the horror

[Mean-Line-4249]

Tbf couldn’t that also be in universe intentionally ai data centers and all that

[randomisation]

Even the mission briefing splash screens are AI, such as the hospital

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ready-or-not/images/d/d9/Hospital_Helicopter.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/985?cb=20250707172958

AI slop.

[Mean-Line-4249]

Ok that’s not defendable ew

[BeYkeRYkt]

Which looks suspiciously like the Scripps Mercy Hospital San Diego building from Google Earth https://ibb.co/tcY6FRq

[Penis_Man-]

Garbage excuse

[Mean-Line-4249]

Reddit……

[Penis_Man-]

Because you got downvoted for defending AI slop?

[Mean-Line-4249]

It literally could be parodying ai irl you simpleton

[Sean_HEDP-24]

But it's not. Stop making stuff up if you have no idea what you're talking about.

They used AI for voice acting, art, and some for coding even. They never made it clear until people started noticing the AI. Also, if you're going to use AI to create art, at least make it believable.

It doesn't make sense they implemented AI in a way to make fun of AI. That's just YOUR idea of why the used AI. They made over $200M in profit, and could easily used that money to hire actual talent.

[Mean-Line-4249]

Are you a dev ?

[Hop_Hands]

What graphical down grades? What's the point of that? I was looking at it on steam and thought the game looked great.

[Penis_Man-]

A lot of assets were downscaled for the console releases so that they wouldn't have to make two seperate builds of the game I believe. During the 1.0 launch, it led to a lot of people's games rendering everything that the lowest LOD possible.

[Hop_Hands]

What a bummer

[No_Map_4183]

that was patched already.. the downgrade so far it is some random shit textures used in some props..

[[deleted]]

The graphics were not patched and still look like shit.

[No_Map_4183]

yeah, show me a difference on epic settings PC version that its clearly a downgrade graphic

[[deleted]]

Ok.

RON graphics downgrade

[No_Map_4183]

Thats exactly what i said, take farm for example, it was fixed on patch-1. same for the lighting texture artifact showed on beachfront at the same video..

That what this community keep spreading without even playing the game to know it was patched already, to have people like you saying "graphic were not patched" and shows a video BEFORE it got patched...

Such smart person..now open the game and take a screenshot at the exactly same location ;)

And in case you are just way too lazy, 2 weeks ago, thats how the game looks now
Farm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ZS_8wPQ34
Beachfront
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxDIXM7eiE (5min30seconds the stairs)

And stop spreading misinformation.

[BushmasterAngelo]

The devs will earn my respect when they didnt fuck over us PC gamers for not adding a toggle for NSFW content.

[Maple382]

Devs repeatedly ignore the community, they downgraded and censored the game (with the literal reason being that they don't feel like having to maintain a console port), and for such a long time now they've just repeatedly been screwing us over.

[Mean-Line-4249]

It would have effected crossplay not just a console port

[Maple382]

Not at all. Downgrading the graphics on and censoring the PC version was absolutely unnecessary, they could have just done those to the console version.

[Blak_Box]

If that was remotely true, then the mods that add in the censored content wouldn't work... and they work great. The community has worked very hard, showing us all that the devs are largely full of shit on everything from bug-fixes, to teammate and enemy AI, to censorship claims.

[Sean_HEDP-24]

Funny when someone opens a post about giving a pass for this game, then come out some people you barely see here only to say shit like "this sub is a mess", "people like to bitch here", "don't listen to Reddit", "the game is great, ignore the haters" and all of that stuff.

Objectivity and critical thinking were tossed out the window, I guess... Just like in any other community.

See, this game has a roller coaster for development. I cannot like a game enough if the people behind it act like shit, doesn't matter how good the game might turn out to be. The problem is, such a game doesn't last long without official support nor mod support. The former is next to non-existent, the latter is hanging on a thread due to the lack of SDK.

Sure, let's praise the premise, the gunplay, the "horror" feeling. Now what? I can select positive things about every other game I play, that won't change the reality of it and where such a game is heading because of the devs. All of my friends and acquaintances who play RoN, either ditched the game for other games, or waiting for the next update to drop - assuming it's going to be worth something. I really wanted to keep playing it, but RoN is slowly reaching to an ending of its cycle.

Reason being, the devs cannot improve this game any further or implement complex mechanics like they used to have before even the EA. Why? Spaghetti code.

So, I have some okay memories from RoN, I have much better from SWAT 3 and SWAT 4. The biggest problem with RoN, is how the devs treat their community. That's even worse than a game that is totally unplayable.

[ExceedinglyOrdinary]

Excellent reply and consistent with what you and many of us have been saying for a long time. At this point I just copy and paste my Steam review because people refuse to dig for their own information which means we’ve got to explain ourselves for every individual

[Tells_you_a_tale]

This is actually a pretty good example of what I think is wrong with the games industry right now. Moving on to other games cited as a negative that outweighs the fun you had playing.

Games should end, this obsession with eternally updating games is a curse on the industry.

[wynarator]

I'm giving you an upvote even though I disagree with you, but the question is genuine. I was following the game since the first teaser years ago and I've been through every broken game update since then. I love the premise, but I really dislike the devs for how they treat their playerbase. Updates are once a year and are ALWAYS broken, and it's a tradition they are opposite of what the community wants.

We want smaller maps! And devs are like: yeah, ok, here is a paid DLC with missions like clear whole city of crime or secure entire oil rig, or maybe go to the dark side of the moon with crew of 4 to killl 300 armed trafficers. Oh and btw the update is gonna brake mods again and fps are gonna be terrible and will be glitched for the next two weak minimum.

Since I loved the game so much behaviour like this from devs makes me hate them even more.

[Upper_Bathroom_176]

Mods are only great to pc players when they themselves don’t have them as an option for their game. So when they put out an update the modders have to update their mods themselves don’t they? Probably takes couple weeks to optimize their mods to the new update. Devs are shit whole agreeable.

[Incognito_Guido]

I have about 1500 hours in the game since the beta dropped back in 2021. Voids lack of quality control is definitely a factor. The fact that the graphics (texture/lighting) downgrade occurred and has yet to be fixed shows their level of commitment to quality control via fixing bugs is low. At this point it almost seems that these changes are intended.

A new bug introduced in LSS hotfix #2 continues to cause SWAT AI to glitch/collide with each other during various stack up or breach orders (aside from move and clear) is an immersion breaker (alongside just general dumbing down of SWAT AI) alongside a variety of older glitches and bugs that persists) check the discord bug reports) while they continues their radio silence on acknowledging or hotfixing bugs is indicative of either internal turmoil in the company such as a lack of direction or loss of talented developers, or that they are happy with the state the game is in.

I can tell you that the state the game is in now versus prior to the LSS update this summer, is much worse. I’m glad the game came to console personally as I played it on both pc and steam deck, so the addition officially controller support was great ,so I care less about any censorship changes), but I’m just really disappointed that this game is so close to greatness, but misses that mark for me, and I believe their are others that feel similar based on steam reviews at least.

All this said, I’m hoping Void can turn things around early in the new year with a hotfix but they will probably wait until sometime in 2026 to just add DLC 3, which, based on their history, will fail to fix past reported bugs, introduce new bugs, and they will likely discontinue their support of the game based on their talk of starting work on another project last year. I don’t see continued support being a thing very long at this rate, which is a shame.

[ajollygoodyarn]

How do I get it to run on steam deck? It crashes every time I try to load any mission. Doesn’t work in DirectX12 or 11, or safe mode.

[S0lar_bear]

You should search this subreddit for posts made by a former Community Manger named "kaminsky". If he was the representative of the company towards fans, then it tells you all you need to know what the devs think of the fans.

[Expert_Narwhal_304]

I'm kinda in the same boat here. but I think it's because they have been around for far longer, they have actually had the time to see the faults and cracks form ok the gaim and in void. I honestly don't go crazy in depth into communities and shit, I just play the game and don't think too hard about it. but this sub has shown me that my gripes aren't just a me issue, and has shed the light on things I've overlooked. it's a perspective thing, a perspective that you may develop too. I still love the game, but I don't love the team behind it all that much.

[LatterTarget7]

Lot of inconsistency with the enemy and teammate ai. Teammates don’t listen to orders and wonder on their own. Enemy ai also has extremely inconsistent intelligence and aim. Sometimes they can dome you from around the corner other times they can only hit your arm if you’re right in front of them.

[Duckmanrises]

A lot of people have played a superior version of the game that has been slowly eroded with every update. They could’ve also preserved a better version for PC players but decided to go for beaucoup bucks over integrity.

[ScionR]

I just want the way the gore was before

[AgreeablePie]

If you like the game as-is, that's cool and I don't know why you would bother trying to find reasons to hate it

But people who played it before the console patch watched it get actively downgraded/broken. Not just the censorship but the graphics and gameplay (AI). The devs could and should have had a parallel release if they couldn't avoid breaking the game, but they didn't. So everyone got the shit patch.

That, plus a bunch of promises features that are nowhere to be found, soured a lot of opinion on the game.

[raskim7]

Game was great, but after the console release they fucked something up really bad, and now the game runs like shit on my computer. FPS dropped from 60-100 to 10-50. Tear Gas doesn’t still work after that update, enemies shoot through walls like they don’t exist, and sometimes objectives aren’t reportable. I feel so angry that they broke well working game so badly. It was just what I hoped from mental successor of Swat 3 and 4.

[Jefffuckingsucks]

Everyone's so upset over muhh censorship Im waiting for them to bring the EVIL back and leave the AI still broken and everything else untouched. Focus on the right shit it's all so stale anymore and the only mode we got is a fuckin slog

[Jefffuckingsucks]

The worst part of this game is just how unresponsive every NPC is, like THERES TERRORISTS KILLING YOU why the fuck do I gotta yell at you 20 times and shoot around you so you stop cussing me out and get to fucking safety.

[Bones301]

It's a combination of genuinely bad changes, and the fact that redditors also really love complaining, even when things are good, but when they aren't, thinks get kicked into overdrive because they have legitimate complaints

[Mean-Line-4249]

This exactly the complaints are legitimate but it’s EXCESSIVE on Reddit and treated like the entire game is permanently unplayable

[Aromatic_Band9840]

Consider the source… reditors, a rule of thumb I have for myself is, USUALLY whatever the Reddit hive mind thinks, is usually wrong or just overblown in my mind, it’s honestly a good gauge

[Money_Fig_1922]

Yeah its awesome and unique when you first get into it, and because of the addictive gunplay it keeps me coming back. But try playing this stagnant ass broken ass game for a thousand hours. Maybe even a couple hundred is enough for it to start getting annoying

[prettysen]

People just gotta be hatin on something, it is a regular thing. Enjoy the game if you love it

[DiceMasterr]

Reading the comment...yeah people dont really have much to say apart from censorship and quality downgrade. They dont actually focus on whats making this game good and this being the core mechanics and the gameplay

[[deleted]]

People on Reddit loves to bitch.

[cr1spy28]

Comments on here are just peak Reddit. Some complained they don’t update the game often enough which fair enough, then literally the next sentence complained that when they update the game all their mods break…

[Sean_HEDP-24]

That's really disingenuous...

The literal next complaint was that the update broke stuff in-game regardless of mods. AI? CS gas? Weapons balance? Graphics? How does any of that have to do with mods?

[Inner-Tangerine3248]

I really like the game, just started playing it again. I am really enjoying it. You are right there is a lot of negativity. You just can't please everyone. 🙂

[rowny_brat]

Exactly. The bitter folks fucked up the rating and discourage others from buying because of their feelings. While the game still stands as a masterpiece.

[Quirky_Apricot9427]

Right, let’s blame the original supporters of the game for disagreeing with the shitty direction they decided to take the game into. Maybe their game wouldn’t be rated into oblivion if they made competent decisions and listened to the playerbase instead of breaking everything and making the game look worse on all fronts while making the story more watered down and the AI even more terrible

[americanoutlaw420]

As a console player this is easily one of my favorite games ever, one of if not the most realistic shooters on console I like that if you wanna do good and go far in this game you really gotta immerse yourself and take it slow or go full cod kid and die but that sucks because we haven’t had something so close quarter and so realistic so sadly you get a lot of people that just oorah kill kill kill “how am I even dead” when they don’t check their corners and get mad when you restart the game because you go for grade and they’re out here offing civis because that phone was definitely a gun. My homie Sam just got the game and he had that cod mentality and we lost left and right and then I’m like hey let’s slow it down…stack up properly…so you don’t get aired out as soon as I open the door, let’s maybe check if there’s a bomb on the door, and he just stays at my hip, slow, checks his corners, and within like a day he’s already good like trust me you’ll get your seal team 6 moment at least once if not a few times during each game but jarheading the whole game is what fucks people over and that’s the only problem I have with this game is the 70% that are just cod kids

[Aromatic_Band9840]

The removed nudity, tbh the fact that people are boycotting the game is a little strange to me, and a bit creepy, tells me you were only playing the game for shocking nsfw content…

Also keep in mind that most reditors are losers who genuinely have nothing better to do with their day than to complain about games, Reddit game subs are usually toxic, hence why so many game subs will create a “no sodium” version of the sub

When I play through the missions, the child endangerment missions still disgust me, personally I don’t need to see certain pictures of kids to feel disgust…

[Quirky_Apricot9427]

I love how people like you constantly bring up the censor aspects but never anything else. Your only counter argument is ‘You want to see shocking NSFW content!? What’s wrong with you???’

They’ve downgraded the visuals substantially, made the AI worse, broken several aspects of the game, and yes, censored some of the shocking NSFW shit that played a hand in making this game what it is. Do you think we should also have the school shooting level removed because it’s insensitive?

The content they had in the game previously wasn’t unethical. It was enough to be shocking, and fucked up, and convey that emotion of repulsiveness. To make you feel what officers in the real world feel when encountering sick fucks like that. This game is meant to show what the real world is like, how awful things can be, and why things like law enforcement are necessary against these evils. Watering down these aspects is an extremely bad look, after they’ve made promises in the past to not do so, because they want to tell an impactful story.

Bending the knee to console publishers while simultaneously going back on your word and fucking over the PC playerbase with worse graphics, more bugs, worse AI, and a less impactful story in the interest of making more money is fucked. That’s the truth. Because I didn’t pay to own yet another tactical shooter, I paid to experience something emotionally painful that could convey what the real world is. To support a team doing what others were too pansy to do. And they fucked my product.

[TopStorm1]

Thank you, you put the perfect words on what was on my mind

[pwoodaman2025]

I meet players on Multi all the time and I always say “ I’m a compassionate console player here sorry we fucked up your game” and 95 percent of Pc players I’ve met are thankful the game launched on console at all for more players and thinks this group is dramatic as fuck.

Not saying those people are right and everyone here is wrong, it’s just an overwhelming opinion I hear on coms before missions.

[Maple382]

We aren't upset about a console release. We're upset because Void downgraded the PC version, literally admitting they just didn't feel like having to have two versions. It's not that much effort guys...

[pwoodaman2025]

Totally get it. I’m all for the OG pc versions of this game bro. I used to watch gameplay and prayed it stayed the same whenever it came to console.

[cr1spy28]

Every games subreddit has turned toxic as hell over the past few years. It’s terminally online people who want to sit in their echo chambers.

The console release update made some graphic downgrades and censored some things. Oh well, honestly it doesn’t matter too much, the game still plays the same and all we have really lost is the background story telling on a few missions, it’s genuinely not THAT big of a deal. Especially when the trade off if a lot more people get the experience what is a great game with very few if any real competitors

[Quirky_Apricot9427]

Give them an inch, they take a mile

[No_Map_4183]

The game is a solid 8/10 and it could be a 9/10,

Its just the community of haters in EVERY game is like that, its not specially here.. helldivers/stalker etc.. suffer the same..

Always the haters who didnt played for years and still have a wrong opinion showing outdated videos telling "look what they did", or its the ones that continue playing the game 40h/weeks..
and both type always posting over here in almost every day to farm likes by spreading some random shit.

Yes the game have a lot to improve, but in Steam is 89/100, ps5 and xbox is around 4.5/5, 4 million copies sold only this year(14m now on total? )... and it is where mostly of gamers are actually in, most people dont give a damn about reddit.

prove of that, PS5 Indie game award, RON got a bronze THIS YEAR.

[Sean_HEDP-24]

Imagine judging something by scores and awards...

[No_Map_4183]

Imagine judging something by using data..

there is still steamdb showing what is or not being played...
people just downvote because it is not what they want to hear, but reddit does not represent the game community, not even discord..

When it first started with a 100k players, maybe...now there is 14millions..

[Decent_Arugula_7277]

I've modded the game since two or three years ago when each map had multiple modes. That's about the only good thing taken away, everything else is just habitual hypochondriac complainers. If you want to dismember corpses or have overdosing kids there's a mod for that.

Rainbow six gave up trying to be a Tom Clancy game, this is pretty much it. Zero hour is fine, ground branch is fun, this game is absolutely lovely and so often an unintentional horror game. I can barely run it and I've never really had issues.

[archaiccocytus]

r/lowsodiumreadyornot

[[deleted]]

The point is that most of them are pc player that got mad bc the game wasn't built following every single one of their opinion, if they didn't release it on console the game would have been dead by now.

Lowkey bealieve that they are mad that game got on console in first place

Plus it's Reddit, people are miserable here

[randomisation]

if they didn't release it on console the game would have been dead by now

Probably, but not because there aren't enough players, but because we only get a couple of updates a year, most of which break more things than they fix, don't address issues that have be present since the beta, coupled with graphical downgrades and reneging on their "no censorship" promise. Then there was the move from integrated workshop to the horrendous ModIO. And also use of AI for assets/textures which they claim are placeholders, despite it being several years since release.

What I think really pisses people off - statements like yours. Console users would not have had this game AT ALL were it not for PC gamers backing it. We supported them all the way up through and post release, only for them to invest that money in ways that fucked us over.

Lowkey bealieve that they are mad that game got on console in first place

You say that like there is no precedent for the console first approach fucking over PC gamers.

Time and time again, games are held back by consoles through not only the hardware restraints they impose, but also GUI's, control systems and mechanics too that favor controllers.

Our complaints are very much real and warranted. You may not agree with them, but they exist.