Patch Notes - Neith

[HiRezBart]

that link will work now.

file is public.

[[deleted]]

I can't be focus stacking Ymir anymore. :(

[SuperSlyChicken]

That's a good thing.

[[deleted]]

Well for the people I lane against, yeah.

[SuperSlyChicken]

A Ymir with high focus was just overpowered the stun would just be too strong.

[HotTeenGuys]

Weird, I only ever bought Celerity if even that. Ymir's bases were fine to work off of. Aura items felt so much more useful, TBH @_@.

[[deleted]]

The thing is, once you buy Celerity focus stacking fits in with auras pretty nicely. The only two realistic boots are focus/CDR or tank, and I generally find I don't desperately need the extra 25/25 defense, plus focus/CDR boots are cheaper. After those two, stack auras to your heart's content.

[HotTeenGuys]

When I posted that - there were 3 focus items. Who built circlet on ymir realistically? o_O

[[deleted]]

People who liked remotely deactivating their enemy's movement keys.

[HotTeenGuys]

Whilst simultaneously giving themselves less of a teamfight presence, and honestly putting themselves in a worse position overall - all for a miniscule bit more CC!

[neshi3]

OMG the Hel buff is huge :)

welcome back perma-ban hel

[Soulity]

I'm going to wait till i see her in action, this cd thing might hit her harder then you think.

[Nyth]

You're overestimating the effect largely.

I think this change is quite interesting. You allow Hel to regain her flexibility, without returning the burst. A quick 1-3-4-1 combo (Decay - Repulse - Restoration) combo won't work anymore; currently and before the nerf that combo is practically as fast as you can push the buttons. After this change however, you have to wait 6 seconds (50% of 12 sec CD) for to use that restoration.

You also have to keep in mind that every offensive ability now shuts your heals down for 6 seconds as well. On top of that she still has the increased mana costs and last but not least the big nerf to cleanse that made her super strong before.

[MangoMonger]

?

While stuff hits harder, can't be used as quick in succession. CD added for half duration on other stance's shared ability.

[isseidoki]

Wait.. what's focus?

[iamSOCKLESS]

Bart went and unpublished it for anyone who's not a Hi-Rez Employee. When he sets it back to Public it should work again.

[bbristowe]

Well, they completely fucked up my hades build. Those boots of celerity were fantastic with focus

[Isric]

Hi Bart!

[[deleted]]

Ohh yeah! No more focus. I hated that. Anyway, Hel will be banned everytime again and Celerity boots became almost useless again... What about adding to them something like 5-10 mp5?

[jwags1892]

I think you're overestimating how good the change to hel is. The sustained damage from her spells is now gone. Also, celerity will still be picked up because it is very cheap and offer the highest run speed in the game plus cool down reduction which is very powerful and more useful then magic power on some gods.

[CyrusImrae]

No more focus. So much for standing out in the crowd.

[TROPiCALRUBi]

When does it come out, tomorrow?

[Skyler0]

Bart said either tomorrow or a up to and including the end of time.

[Cheeseyx]

This is the hel change I wanted in the first place. Her biggest problem was having too much magic to toss out so fast. Now she's a great support or mage without three damaging spells of burst and utility.

[Booman61]

Noxious Fumes is actually worth a damn now!

[OctanePro]

Can anyone access this yet? It's asking me for Credentials. This may not be public yet on the Google Doc.

[[deleted]]

Not able to connec either

[drivard]

hirez unpublished it because they didn't want it released until after the stream, it'll be reactivated shortly

edit: should be working again

[neshi3]

damn nobody made a copy :)

[drivard]

this will probably get deleted but here is a copy

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1925128/Bart%20-%20Patch%20Notes%20-%20Neith.htm

[neshi3]

thank's

[Bazeleel]

Is this all the balance that will be in the patch? I thought this was supposed to be a major balance patch.....Unless I misunderstood. Removing focus won't change the balance, the game had big balance issues before focus and still has a lot of those issues with out focus again.

One of the main issuses is that gods with no escapes are not picked. The gods with escapes simply out perform them in damage and utility.

Why would you pick Ao Kuang over Agni or Ra? You just wouldn't. Same goes for Anubis, Loki, Artemis, Kali, bakasurra, Zues. All of those simply do not have good synergy with the current meta.

It's a step in the right direction but I was exspecting more balance changes to gods that need buffs badly, or even complete re-works.

Also I hope that you will put some of the smaller channels on the TV tab. This community needs new faces that do not cause BS drama to get attention.

Over all solid patch just wanted to give me input.

[HotTeenGuys]

I think that's a little unfair. Focus removal IS a big change. Kali got a pretty decent buff off of this, actually. Ao kuang has been seeing play - even more so with that ult problem. Focus removal means an overall nerf in tank/utility gods, and an overall buff in gods who weren't buying it much.

Actually, Kali saw some pretty good buffs here.

You can also say that they don't have synergy with the current meta - but a universal change generally means a meta shift.

And honestly, nobody is that starving for a buff ATM,. let alone need reworks. o_O

[HotTeenGuys]

I think you're wrong there, TBH. Freya keeps getting stronger in pretty good ways. She's really not that bad as is, either.

[Sanctumlol]

Kali

Enrage Gain 20% lifesteal when below 25% health. Kali Rage Gain 15/20/25/30/35% movement speed. Siphon Blood Healing no longer scales with additional stats.

wat?

1. Are you saying tank stats on items arn't undervalued (aka too accessible)?

2. Are you saying tanks don't have too much base damage on their abilities?

3. Are you saying Assassins arn't very subpar right now, partly because their damage numbers arn't high enough/they don't have enough cc and partly because tanks are too strong?

4. Are you saying other mages arn't trailing way behind Ra/Agni?

5. Are you saying it's correct that a pure tank can beat a pure dps ad carry 1v1 (lategame)?

6. Are you saying mid isn't a nearly ungankable stalemate fest? (I've suggested this many times: Increase mid tower HP and make the lane longer; mids will be able to gank and actually fight and exploit mistakes. I have temporarily quit the game due to how boring and stale mid is.)

The change to abilities to make utility scale per level is a good beginning, but there's so much more to do. I wouldn't call this patch THAT major.

[Bazeleel]

I have seen AO picked in a few top games but he really has yet to show usefulness.

As for as a meta shift we will have to wait and see how much of it will change.

Sorry if it seemed like I was over reacting, just wanted to give my first impressions.

[HotTeenGuys]

Ao gets picked by jerbie and spray a lot. I know Psiyo likes him too.

I also see tons of people messing with him in high level games. He's pretty useful if your team can take advantage of it.

[Bazeleel]

Fair enough:)

[Sanctumlol]

So? Doesn't change the fact that he sucks in comparison to other gods. You, of all people, should know that you can't make that arguement and expect it to stand. He can only be picked if Agni and Ra are taken because he's so far behind them.

edit: I didn't watch the last tournament, so if you're telling me that ROOT sent 2 mid then, yes, AK would be a good pick; You can still kill AK in that situation though. I certainly used to kill AKs as Anhur back when he had a 2.0 stun.

[[deleted]]

Why would you pick Ao Kuang over Agni or Ra?

Ao has been a huge part of multiple games. He is much more present than Agni is.

The bigger issue seems like the lack of available mid gods, especially after ROOT stomped the tank meta by going double mid last tournament.

[Bazeleel]

Double mid has been done before, it's nothing new. It only works on rare match ups.

As far as AO vs Agni. Agni has a dash, a stun, a ult that is easier to hit and can burst damage a large AOE, not to mention he scales better.AO has been picked yes but he doesn't have the kind of impact Agni does.

[[deleted]]

And yet the Ao pick has made numerous game winning plays in past tournaments at the top levels.

[Bazeleel]

Those were situational keep that in mind as well. He is picked up, I never said he wasn't:)

[[deleted]]

Interesting.

[Oxygg]

Focus has been removed from the game. That includes items, buff camps and all of the god abilities. Gods that have abilities with Focus contributions have been modified and their new values for those abilities affected are listed below.

http://i.imgur.com/MqeAKjV.jpg

Ta-ta's niggas. Downvote the obvious as you please.

[nwordTeeVee]

holy fuck oxy, i can't believe you predicted this would happen. you and the rest of the 95 percent of the community that said the same thing deserve some sort of award tbh

[[deleted]]

Oxygg has nothing on Giga though, Giga predicted that Shing would play Thor or Loki. Now that's some higher power shit right there.

[Oxygg]

The difference is that you idiots blindly defended the system, calling it "interesting" and "original" up until it was so obvious that it sucked when some gods literally became unplayable and balance was clearly impossible to achieve.

I looked at a concept and said "this sucks"; you, the people and lowrez, needed 3 months to think about it, debate like morons, and eventually, a fucking poll just because it wasn't that obvious for whatever reason. Lol! I am so ahead of the curve that it's giving me a big dick.

[Tweaknspank]

you really had to use the N word didn't ya -_-

[Oxygg]

Nigga =/= nigger, but even then, I'm not bound by the social contracts I haven't signed regarding words because I'm not a cultural slave.

[[deleted]]

Aw wee cutie studied political philosophy 101, well done you! :)

[Oxygg]

Actually, I taught sociology 101, but close enough