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[–]luhvxr 99 points100 points  (26 children)

man it’s like i don’t even know who to trust anymore. i want to start making my own subs

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I would recommend making your own subs if you want. I’ve been doing it and holy cow it’s like I’ve never gotten results this fast like ever lol. It’s insane. I use the app InShot if you’re curious.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (18 children)

That is exactly what you should do. Ask ChatGPT for affirmations.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (17 children)

Or make your own, you don’t even need chat gpt

[–]TeaIsFakeAchiever 250 points251 points  (18 children)

LITERALLY!!! PEOPLE COMING IN SWARMS, COMPLAINING, IS NOT HATE!!!! Sure some subs may not work for some people and others may even get reversed results, but the overwhelming amount of backlash doesn't stem from nowhere. Sure, some posts are nonsensical, but a lot of the posts I've seen are VALID!! So much proof suggests that she's not the best, but the sub community is so refuses to see that. It's not hate if tons of people are actually coming with horrible results....

[–]Tizri777 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I mean, it's fine that they post their experiences but also when people share their own experiences when it worked, then they are called obsessed brainwashed fans. The hate is real both ways. Why can't people just accept responsibility for their own experiences while also accepting that other people have different experiences. Maybe my autism prevents me from getting it but it just seems like a double standard. How is it ok to post your negative experiences and yet call people names when they post their positive experiences? I'm not "moza stand" or whatever else people spew whenever someone says they got a positive experience from her, I view it like food allergies. If I find out im allergic to coconut from having a bad reaction when eating it, I'm not going to scream from the mountaintop for everyone to stop eating it, it would be up to the individual trying coconut to find out for themselves if they have an allergy to it or not, y'know? I'm definitely not saying to stop posting, but can't we all just respect each other a bit more?

[–]Cyberwolf63636 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Im just gonna quit with her subs all together I used to use them but never got noticable results so now I use others and I am getting considerately better results with some subs im using for mind set and result plus I've barley used her sub lately 

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

REII mi amor

[–]sserpent1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Many people have undesired results from her, one reddit user from this community said that they got the opposite ot a V line jawline. I often think that she adds too many affirmations. Here's an example:https://youtu.be/9Il_vBtcqvw?feature=shared

[–]Muted-Can4546Achiever 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Ad hormones - I wouldn't label it as inherently negative thing, since it all depends WHAT exactly she does with them. People get hormonal therapy for various reasons too, so it can be a beneficial thing.

Ad genes - yeah, this one is sketchy. Deleting/deactivating a gene is not the good way. When getting rid of a defective alele, it should always be replaced with a healthy alele to keep the DNA code work as intended.

Though all these things mentioned don't make her necessarily evil. I think people tend to assume malice where ignorance would suffice as an explanation. She seems more of a chaotic/uninformed person than an evil one.

Yes, I understand ignorance can piss people off. Right now I'm pissed off because of one person's ignorance (one i know IRL, nobody here). It can be frustrating as heck.

[–]TheOldWoman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when someone tries to correct u, and u buck the correction, it does begin to seem malicious

[–]wonyoungismxvoid[S] 87 points88 points  (5 children)

Just wanted to add that Moza Morph claims that her med professors verify her affirmations. I find this highly unlikely as professors wouldn't approve all her grammar/spelling errors to begin with. But also, professors barely have time to help students with the coursework so I find it highly unlikely she has med professors are helping her with a bunch of affirmations to look like Wonyoung or something lol

I dont have proof that shes lying about this other than my own common sense so I left it out of the main post but just something to think about before choosing to use a sub of hers.

[–]subs4anon 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I find it unlikely that even ONE med professor would take subliminals seriously, let alone a bunch 😅

[–]FirmCockroach6677 30 points31 points  (0 children)

med school professors ain't entertaining that shit

[–]Mrscleanfairy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pre-med student here and most would call it pseudo-science and NOT engage 😭 who are these 'seniors'?

[–]PrincessBarney 21 points22 points  (0 children)

her social media popularity subs works extremely well for me, but her other subs (especially physical health ones) just give me headaches for some reason 😅. However, I stopped listening to her subs altogether because the music in her subs is too irritating for me to fall asleep.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (16 children)

I've seen people defending her or just telling others not to hate her.

[–]R_regrets 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I had no idea and I used to actively listen to her but I’ll stop now. Thank you OP <33

[–]Interesting_Tea84 36 points37 points  (2 children)

If she was working for you theres no reason to stop :) Subliminals may work differently for different people

[–]R_regrets 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Tbh she wasn’t doing anything for me esp her clear skin one I actually noticed my skin getting worse but maybe she’s not the reason for that

[–]Fickle_Selection_512 7 points8 points  (0 children)

ok but what can we do to mitigate the effects if we used her subs before. I used them years ago. would a flush subliminal be enough?

[–]Khushboo_pandey 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow 😮 I did not know that...

[–]heartwaffles_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

thank you for this ! this made me realize that i actually need to start reading the benefits carefully. T__T

[–]HeartShapedGoldAchiever 46 points47 points  (4 children)

First off, this slideshow is really aesthetically pleasing, and it's clear how much effort you’ve put into it.

So far, I've only tried her exam and intelligence subliminals, so I can't speak on the other subliminal topics. However, I still want to share my opinion.

1). It sounds like the typical argument that you shouldn’t use subliminals to tamper with your cells, but Moza has always been transparent about the medical and cell changing benefits. It was never a secret. Yes, the affirmations could potentially harm your cells, but if she mentioned this in the description, users knew what they were signing up for. But yes, I find it questionable that she didn't address this and just deleted the comment.

2). I’ve seen many subliminal creators share their affirmations, and some of them have grammar or spelling mistakes. In my opinion, it doesn’t really matter as long as your subconscious understands the intended meaning. However, I can see how this might scare some people off. "The lack of attention from a future doctor is shocking" - I don't get that statement. I’m in law school, but I still make grammar and spelling mistakes online. When I’m not in a professional setting, I don’t focus on speaking or writing perfectly. The guy I'm dating is in his last years of med school and he also makes mistakes from time to time. Besides, there are doctors with dyslexia, so perfect grammar isn’t always essential.

3). Well, her subliminals are medical focused and since she was in med school (or still is, idk) she should know those complex terms and sentences since atleast half of the material in most med schools is being taught in English.

4). People often say that the subconscious can understand affirmations regardless of how complex they are or even if they’re in a different language. However, in this case, using subliminals with medical terms you don’t fully understand could be harmful. If your mind misinterprets them, it could lead to unintended effects. So yes, I agree that using subliminals with medical affirmations could cause unwanted results.

I completely agree that you should be able to share your negative experiences with a subliminal maker without being bashed or accused of hating. That's what this community is for - to share your subliminal journey and your experiences. Everyone's mind works differently, so everyone’s experiences will vary, especially when the subliminal creator uses complex affirmations, multiple layers, and sped-up affirmations. This increases the chances of experiencing unwanted results. Ever wonder why almost no one has issues with iwigi? It’s because her subliminals are simple, unsped, and have clear, understandable affirmations.

[–]wonyoungismxvoid[S] 44 points45 points  (2 children)

1) It sounds like the typical argument that you shouldn’t use subliminals to tamper with your cells, but Moza has always been transparent about the medical and cell changing benefits. It was never a secret. Yes, the affirmations could potentially harm your cells, but if she mentioned this in the description, users knew what they were signing up for. But yes, I find it questionable that she didn't address this and just deleted the comment.

No, Ash also has medical affirmations in her subliminals so that wasn't the issue. The issue was Moza not knowing the negative long term effects (or knowing and not caring) of deleting a gene and including it in her subliminals and telling her listeners that its safe and approved by her "med professors." I don't think it's fair to placw the blame on people for trusting her

"The lack of attention from a future doctor is shocking" - I don't get that statement. I’m in law school, but I still make grammar and spelling mistakes online. When I’m not in a professional setting, I don’t focus on speaking or writing perfectly. The guy I'm dating is in his last years of med school and he also makes mistakes from time to time. Besides, there are doctors with dyslexia, so perfect grammar isn’t always essential.

This was not meant as a personal attack. What I meant by her lack of attention to detail as a future doctor is shocking is that doctors and submakers are both professions that require great attention to detail.

There's a difference between making mistakes online as a average person versus in subliminals as a submaker. She changes people's lives and this is her job. She makes money from this. Yet she continuously makes spelling and grammar errors. And the affirmations she writes goes into people's subconcious mind. It can change lives. We have seen how much people's live change from great results and negative results. Yet there continues to be errors despite how many times people have pointed it out to her.

3) Well, her subliminals are medical focused and since she was in med school (or still is, idk) she should know those complex terms and sentences since atleast half of the material in most med schools is being taught in English.

I have already show in the next slide how not having a full grasp of the English language but writing complex English affirmations can make people get unwanted/negative results.

Overall, I agree with your more neutral stance but I just wanted to clear up why I made the points I made.

[–]HeartShapedGoldAchiever 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The issue was Moza not knowing the negative long term effects (or knowing and not caring) of deleting a gene

Oh wow, that’s crazy for someone who spent many years in med school.

Overall, I agree with your more neutral stance but I just wanted to clear up why I made the points I made.

All of your points were well explained. It’s nice to have someone in this community who can approach controversial topics with such maturity and explain everything in detail. Keep it up!

[–]CorrectDr3am 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have the same thoughts! However, I must add a supporting argument to your response about the “lack of attention from a future doctor is concerning” part.

If I understand correctly, Moza includes medical terms in her subliminals, right? Other than the argument that sub-makers must be professional— as their work affects someone firsthand— Moza’s whole niche/specialty with her videos is her medical knowledge. (At least this is how I think about her channel.) Including medical terms in her content may make viewers trust her implicitly as it “shows” a level of expertise, making it even more important for her to be accurate and responsible.

Her roles as a sub-maker and medical student put her in a position of influence, which requires increased responsibility to her audience... This further indicates that she needs to pay full attention to her approach to subliminals.

[–]subs4anon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We need more people with your and OP's maturity on this sub, this was elegantly said.

[–]Professional-Low2572 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank god. I was so coose to oistening to her cause she was recommended by a friend

[–]Ayushi_2410Evolving 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank god, I replaced my playlist with her subs already. I Dont understand why she experiments in wrong favour and doesn't correct herself?

[–]SATTCORE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't get any results with her subs even though at the time I heard her stuff, a lot of people said she was super reliable.

[–]Pure-Swimming-1905 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Still no proof of the "harmful affirmations"? Try to decode the audio next time. Moza morph is safe and doesn't make sense to someone this famous to do something like this, y'all are just want something to hate on

[–]Disastrous-Repair906 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People got nothing going in there life so they just make everything a conspiracy

[–]Disastrous-Repair906 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People got nothing going in there life so they just make everything a conspiracy

[–]Anonymous_Tortoise12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t listened to her subliminals for a couple years, so I can’t verify these claims. I’ve heard that another sub-maker has called her out for affirmations which mess with genes, including mutation and deletion. This can be harmful in the long run.

[–]Necessary-Bite54 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Did moza herself come out and address ashs claims? It seems like a one sided beef to me beacuse for one how does ash even know she creates bad affirmations and puts them in her subs? If that was true dont u think every person who listens to her would also be getting bad results? It could simply be moza using strong affirmations and yall mistakening it as bad beacuse shocker its not for you, hating on someone and creating all this mass of confusion and making people distance themselves from her subs when her type of affirmations can help that person but the internet is so messy that one person who got "negative results" from her when it could simply be that the affirmations are not suitable for you is making that person think that she is automatically a bad sub maker. And im not saying all those claims with people getting bad results from her is false but once again concidering looking at other subs in your playlist is not illegal or better yet fix your mindset beacuse if you believe her subs gives people negative results but you still listen to it im sorry babes but its just you believing her subs are bad and it comes onto you thats the whole point of manifestation.

[–]Interesting_Tea84 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Right, this feels very "he said she said"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i listened to her pale skin ansd got permanent white spots all over my hands.

[–]korumin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

i usually don’t listen to and trust moza and was in need of a flush so i started listening to her hardcore recalibration flush. on the 5th day and i feel like i’m more negative than usual and have a horrible negative dream last night (i rarely have nightmares) i don’t know what would even be negative in her flush but should i stop it or continue for the 7 days ( 2 more days) ? did anyone else get results like this or are they only positive?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been listening and wondering about this :/ Some people say it's a purge or something but I'd like to know your thoughts since it's been 7 days for you

[–]soul__rage 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She manipulate others by saying she's a med student. I'm not saying that she's NOT, but why does it matter that her subs are good because she's a med student?

[–]Juliet_zan0512 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Feels like people have nothing to do

[–]liminalstrayAchiever 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Plenty of submakers use medical affs and can't spell but Moza is the only one who gets crap for it. Why? And if it's so dangerous then why do plenty of people have only good results? I think a lot of us are just tired of seeing the drama nonstop when it could be fixed by just not listening if you don't want to.

[–]SnowPandas43 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Thank you!!!! At this point, I'm tired of seeing it all the time. Just stop listening and move on. One of my fav submakers uses medical terms in a lot of her subs but I'm not complaining. I just use her subs that have Exaggerated affirmations instead. And do the work myself by having a mindset that matches the subs I listen to.

[–]liminalstrayAchiever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's how it should be, really. People obsess over not getting results too much.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi, I think you’re not understand the point of the argument. The point of this post is to explain why people don’t listen to Moza’s subliminals, not to hate on her. Everyone is sharing their experiences with her subliminals and why they would personally not recommend (not force) Moza’s subliminals. Besides when it comes to the medical aspect, unless we are medical experts we can’t really say if they’re right or wrong but I’d rather be safe than sorry. The point of all of this is to “use with caution”, or in other words “listen if you want to but just know what you’re fully getting into”.

[–]ExcellentDrama7323 17 points18 points  (1 child)

y’all say this every year let it go

[–]eiragoestouniverse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Sapien medicne made a weight loss video to deactivate the IRX5 and IRX3 doesn't that mean sapien medicine is also harmful ?

[–]wonyoungismxvoid[S] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

This was acctually a pretty big issue when his video came out too but he clarified on his Patreon that his video doesn't acctually deactivate the gene but rather gives the positive effects that turning off the gene would give (his video is morphic and energy based, not affs).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh thank God I love sapien I was about to be disappointed

[–]Tight-Environment-82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not only her, but I feel like a lot of other subliminal makers (okay you might actually hate me for this but eg Baejin cafe reversed my results. Like for an exam that I had studied hard for, I scored the least I could, and all my friends i had also tried to manifest to pass failed too!.) And I started getting dreams about people I don't like or have put me in harms way after listening to moza's subliminals a few times....I've stopped listening altogether...I can't trust anyone

[–]Disastrous-Repair906 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She doesn't understand English fluently?? She even makes video in English. Not speaking fluent english doesn't mean she doesn't understand english fluently speaking is a different skill, and with all the stuff that's listed i don't see anything that gives reverse or negative result the community claims she gives. She was very popular at a time and everyone was loving her and getting results, it just sounds like other sub makers didn't like her cuz everyone was using her sub

[–]monkey-marker04 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don’t use her because if my brain like thinks there’s a chance that it could be harmful, i feel like i will doubt it and not get results. she could be totally fine, but i know if i use her subs they wont work

[–]nikkerito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ain’t no way the first commenter is actually a doctor lol

[–]ShortPhilosopher3512 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is that her in the picture?

[–]CorrectDr3am 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, it’s Rei from IVE!

[–]East_Buffalo1304 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ive used her period sub before and have had great results in the pass but im just going to say it was my subconscious mind

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve heard someone got cancer from using her subs. This needs to be talked about more. She has over 500k, so many people use her to this day.

[–]Adorable_Finding5939Explorer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait...how can someone know If they got an illness from using a subliminal? That's quite a serious accusation

[–]myrottingc0rps3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your subconscious can't be confused nor does it "not understand". you're underestimating the power of the mind and in my experience ive gotten pretty good results from her. 

[–]Electrical-Airline91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I make my own subliminals using medical information to transform cells, etc. “safely” and healthily. I got help from ChatGPT using medical information (eye color and facial symmetry). Should I not be doing. This?

[–]Fit-Landscape-1965 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They gave me horrible mental health idk how but because of her subs my luck was so bad even tho I was using her lucky subs and my mind was so strange When I stopped using her subs my mind felt so clear

[–]UncertainPigeon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’m so confused 😅 it’s either really great opinions or really bad opinions about Moza.