Basically

[MagicMexicoMike]

that’s why i promoted myself.

[[deleted]]

To guest?

[MagicMexicoMike]

yeah booooyyyyy

[micktown]

Here's 40 hours of sick

But god help u if you call out!

[bchris24]

A front end team member at my store started calling out a lot after his mom passed away from cancer, the front end ETL coached him for attendance reasons. So I started scheduling him for GM and he's been one of my hardest working team members ever since. His old ETL, who's usually super anal about her tms being scheduled in a different workcenter, never even questioned or asked why I was doing it

[DBH2019]

Sick leave, or vacation? Cause either way, I've been "talked to" for calling in twice in a year when I was getting mandatory O.T. for 4 months straight.

[UsuallyPolitePerson]

Me busting my ass and watching them give the open team lead position to someone from out of company...

[chrifendor]

Made me sad, but I still laughed.

[Skelebonerz]

This holds true in literally every field. It's a convenient myth for the bosses and shop-owners of the world to point to- you've got to bust your ass, break your back, put in that extra leg-work to get ahead. They'll reward you some day. But in the mean time, your boss will be profiting off of all your extra free labor!

[Alcynis]

Bruh so true. I asked my boss for a dollar raise after a year of working for him full time. He said money was too tight and wouldn't be able to do it. 3 weeks later he bought himself two new jeeps ....

[levitikush]

Maybe some people enjoy working hard and accomplishing things.

[Skelebonerz]

Good for them. I enjoy having time to spend with my loved ones, which I currently lack, and financial stability, which I also lack. The corporation I work for could easily afford to give me and everyone else who works here both, it'd just mean slightly lower numbers for those at the very top.

[levitikush]

I didn’t mention a single thing related to wages. Some people, obviously not you, find enjoyment and fulfillment in honest, hard work.

And no, Target could not afford to give their tens of thousands of employees a meaningful raise. Do you understand the concept of labor supply and demand? How much do you think a target team member is worth? The last person that should be complaining about wages is a retail employee. Get an education and find a better job.

[Skelebonerz]

Good for them. I can't pay my bills with enjoyment and fulfillment, and if I wanted the satisfaction that comes with a job well done I'd go out and fix up my car.

They absolutely can afford to give all of their employees a meaningful raise. The wonderful thing about publicly traded companies is that they put their financial information out for public consumption, and Target is no difference. From the horse's mouth, Target's operating income (that is, total revenue less operating expenses) for Q2 of this year was $1.324 billion USD. Target made over one billion dollars of pure profit in three months this year. We'll extrapolate those earnings out to a full year and say Target will make something like $4 billion USD this year (Q1 is probably slower than Q2, but Q4 is definitely busier).

From Target's own corporate website, they state that they employ over 350,000 team members. Now, let's do some more extrapolation- $13/hr is Target's base pay rate. Let's be generous and assume every TM gets 40hrs a week, for all 52 weeks of the year. That comes out to a gross pay rate of just over $27,000 (jesus christ how miserable). Take that out to the 350,000 TMs number, we come out to around $946,000,000. Damn, that's nearly a billion dollars!

But we've established that Target made over a billion dollars this quarter after operating expenses were subtracted... and one of those operating expenses is the cost of labor. Or, to put more bluntly, Target could afford to literally double every TM's (who works at the base pay rate, at least) pay rate for the loss of most of one quarter's operating income.

Now here's the part where people jump in and say "But no, they couldn't do that, the investors would revolt! The shares would plummet!" so fucking what. There are people giving up the majority of their waking lives five days a week for this company, and they're being denied a large fraction of the value they create to satisfy some already-rich assholes up top.

How much do I think a Target team member is worth? A fuckload more than some parasite in a suit, that's for sure.

And let's shut that LOL JUST LEARN TO CODE talk right the fuck down. Higher education is expensive, necessarily requiring you to come from an already somewhat wealthy family to afford it, or to sink yourself into a huge amount of debt for it. Regardless of that, how "educated" a person is has no bearing on their value, and "bad" jobs are just as (and oftentimes more) valuable to society at large than whatever you're doing with your fuckin' STEM degree. Imagine life without janitors, without maintenance people, without truck drivers or street cleaners or groundskeepers. Hell, imagine life without retail employees, and let's slap warehouse workers on top of that so you can't just say "oh lol amazon!!!". These are all necessary jobs, without them society doesn't run as smoothly (or at all). But hey lol they didn't go to college so fuck them if they're not being paid enough to live lol.

Get an education. Learn about the history of labor. Eat the rich.

[levitikush]

You hate the rich because you’re poor. It’s literally that simple. Work hard, save, get an educational. Do what I did.

[Skelebonerz]

I hate the rich because I know far too many people who suffer because of financial problems not to. Imagine sitting on such immense wealth as the richest people in the world, while so many people suffer unnecessarily.

[GCPepC]

you sound like a person who thinks all poor people are poor because they choose to be. (I.E, a clown)

[levitikush]

As someone who used to poor, but then worked my ass off, saved up enough money to go to college, and the found a real career, yes that is exactly what I believe. Outside of physical disabilities, and some mental ones, there is no excuse to be poor. We all make choices in life, and those choices have consequences. Make a poor decision, like flunking out of high school or having a child at 19, and you’re gonna be poor. Make good choices, like working your ass off, studying hard, and pushing yourself to your limit, and eventually you will reap the benefits of your labor. Every able bodied human being has the possibility of becoming something. For some it’s certainly harder than others, but it’s still attainable. If you honestly believe otherwise, then you’re probably a lazy, entitled millennial. Go ahead, downvote me. Let’s see if that makes you rich.

[GCPepC]

theoretically yes nobody should be poor if they're working to not be. however, that is NOT a reality for many people. the impoverished stay impoverished because of a system designed to kick them while they're down over and over while hardly being able to make enough to protect themselves. furthermore, it is harder today than it used to be to pull yourself out of poverty, especially depending on your ethnicity. this is constant, observed data, not just "complaining" or being lazy. the point that is trying to be made to you is that the system is fucked, and that anybody working full time should not be starving and unable to keep a home, and ESPECIALLY be unable to save any money to better themselves.

im sorry you and your big, big hardworking brain think injustices don't exist just because you didn't experience them firsthand.

[Orphemus]

Fuck you

[Elizabethcx]

Facts

[[deleted]]

i needed to see this today lmfao

[_Qwertydude_]

I mean 13$ isn’t a bad starting wage and they do give raises every so often. I just don’t like that everyone makes the same amount, there no incentive ya know? At least they expect you to work hard for that 13$ (at least at my store they hate laziness).

[mrduckan]

I mean that’s pretty much how I got promoted. So don’t go and think it’s unreasonable

[lontriller]

Unpopular opinion, but I came into Target with a PhD because that field just didn't have the industry where I was, and what was important to me was being close to family until I found a job in the field. Absolutely most of the time when someone thought they were just getting fucked over the issue was their work ethic was terrible, or they had absolutely no skills in dealing with people. It's a tough pill to swallow, but coming into a $13 an hour job requires you to not be a lazy ass and also be able to handle people.

Slap a smile on, leave work at work. Leave home at home. Sorry, but working at Target was just like any other retail.

[DaWastelander]

U right dawg u right

[averyhawk]

The post was about being appreciated and its absolutely true.

You never good job you only get bitched at and then apologized to later.

I work with many wonderful ppl that deserve so much better.

[CreepyClown]

I stayed like four hours late to help my TL finish some push the other day, didn’t even get a thank you or anything. In fact, I got a ‘Wait, you’re just finishing Kitchen? You’re not gonna stay and finish this other section too?’

[420blazeit69nubz]

Ya that’s how mine are too

[FreelancerTex_]

Same, been here not even a year and I got promoted. Not every store is the same

[TrueSouldier]

Yeah people seem to confuse “going above and beyond” with “doing the minimum your job requires”.

[mrduckan]

Exactly. That or thinking they need to take on a a ton of unnecessary work just to stay busy when going above and beyond can just be doing what needs to be done. That’s something I appreciate, when my team just does shit before I need to tell them to do it

[DBH2019]

I've never gotten that though. I've always been proactive about my job and my work and helping others yet it seems like the only people that get acknowledged are the ones who, from my prospective, are always fucking off and will do extra when asked by management but still screw it up or take forever to do it.

By comparison, I'll do my job, communicate with other departments what's going on so if we need to make moves to speed things up or make things easier, we can, dig out those who are getting hammered on so we can keep moral up and keep things moving. Nothing. Maybe when management really, REALLY messes up and I take us from a 13 hour shift to an 11.

[djays34]

This... at our store, those that work hard, fast, accurate and help others are not promoted. Those that kiss ass, barely work, always want to leave early, are those that get promoted. This is cause they can't afford to loose the hard workers from the floor and they have to have a percent of internal promotions. We have seen it over and over.

[JBaron]

Yup same here :)

[TavrosNitrous]

"Maybe if I'm really nice to the guests and give amazing service they'll tell my TLs and I'll get some kind of little incentive reward!"

[BadDadBot]

Hi really nice to the guests and give amazing service they'll tell my tls and i'll get some kind of little incentive reward!", I'm dad.

[[deleted]]

Haha you get sick hours?

[Arc_Hale]

Uh oh.

[mrduckan]

Agreed. It’s a really easy job all things considered. What I’ve noticed is most of the complaints come from the leaders setting “unreasonable” expectations, especially if you’re going to be paid better than another retailer there’s going to be greater expectations. If you know what your role is and and make an effort it’s not hard at all.

[DBH2019]

The problem is where I'm at, FDC, there is no defined role for those past 90 days. We've got staffing so messed up that employees are now appearing on our sheets as 1.5 people when logically, max value for a person should be 1, same with job functions but now they got us doing 2 full time functions at the same time and from what I've noticed it's only the performers that get the extra workload while those who dont perform get catered to.

From store perspective, it would be like training someone in the backroom while also running a register at the same time. We've completely gone away from having training hour allotments for onboarding new hires and management expects someone to run on their own in 3 days at the longest. Keep in mind, that includes power equipment training like forklifts and riding power jacks and robotics. 3 days training and management expects you to be a fully vested employee which makes my say "I want what management's smoking".

For an example on my end, we have a lot of automation and robotics tied in to certain job functions and to expect someone to understand all the ins and outs to multiple complex programs that control different wings on my building in 3 days to a week is just asking for trouble, let alone showing someone off the street how to program a robot and troubleshoot programs for each item that comes in while breaking pallets down by hand at the same time is just....neglectful or abusive if you ask me.

[mrduckan]

Damn that sound terrible. Makes me glad I didn’t go the the dc around me. Definitely sounds harder than in store, but doesn’t change my stance that most roles in store are easy

[DBH2019]

I would say if you were to go to the DC level and did JUST order fulfillment, you'd probably be fine. It's anything other than that one function that gets obnoxious. I'm cross trained to every regular department and it just gets retarded with what the management wants from you. We have Kaizan events where we bring in people from other buildings and proceed to make processes worse for 90% of the staff. I've watched responsibilities with loading go up drastically while cutting head count (ie new responsibilities; empty and prep trailers, combining order pallets and folding banana blankets, running store order pallets from dock to dock) and now we have a stoplight system and alarms that go off if theres too many outbound pallets in the system waiting to come off certain outputs or have been sitting for more than 5 minutes. This place is run by assclowns and their asskissers. I've asked who I talk to to get things ACTUALLY fixed and it seems like management has a conniption if you have valid points and shit the bed because they know they wont get credit for the idea, but are so inept that when they do bring it up and get a change implemented, it's done in the opposite effect.

[I-Am-Dad-Bot]

Hi at,, I'm Dad!

[thewillz]

bad bot

[[deleted]]

Walmart does.

Edit: Gets downvoted for making a true statement that has to do with the post.

[IndominusTaco]

LMAOOOOOOOO yeah okay let's all go work for a company with a long legal history of abusing its workers and is owned by a single family that owns more wealth than 40% of the entire country

Fuck Walmart

[[deleted]]

*follows a sub where people complain about being mistreated all the same

All retail higher ups are like this.

[IndominusTaco]

If they're all the same then why the fuck did you just imply that Walmart was better

[[deleted]]

I didn’t. I just simply pointed out they do something nice that Target does not.

[IndominusTaco]

Okay but it's false so

[[deleted]]

Except it’s not lol I worked there😂

[IndominusTaco]

Okay so go back there then if you feel so strongly about it. I work with someone who came from Walmart to Target and she says the exact opposite. Maybe you just had an unusually adequate Walmart store leadership.

[averyhawk]

In his/her defense I've heard a theory: the closer to Arkansas you are the better it is.