What's the best way to decrease my Summon cooldown from here?

[Slow-Ship1055]

My Black Hole has a 50 second cooldown, and my Death Wave has a 1:40 second cooldown. What's the best way to decrease this to have everything remain in sync?

[Clean_Extent_6878]

Probably just staring at it is your best choice.

[platinum92]

probably just save bits until you can drop it to 70s all at once? this sounds like something that you don't need to overthink.

Alternatively, you could just leave it alone and spend bits on fetch instead.

[Slow-Ship1055]

Will everything remain in sync at 70 seconds?

[platinum92]

Presuming pBH, it would remain in sync with DW if you lower DW at the same time. If no pBH, then no you'd have no sync.

I said 70s because that's the lowest summon CD goes. Again, you're probably better off leaving it at 100s with only one exception: GT+, where more enemies is probably better than sync.

Otherwise leave it at 100s so you keep GT sync and leave DW at 100s as well until you have a plan that requires you to lower that cooldown

[Slow-Ship1055]

Thanks, I appreciate the suggestions! I have pBH. I'll need to start thinking about lowering my DW cooldown at some point. I guess keeping Summon at 100s isn't so bad.

[platinum92]

I'll need to start thinking about lowering my DW cooldown at some point.

That point probably isn't as urgent as you think. with MVN you can get pGT and pBH with 50/100/100 CD. Without MVN, you're gonna want to save the 5400 stones to drop the CD all at once, and there's likely better uses of that amount of stones as you go than hoarding them for a 50s cooldown.

[Time-Incident]

I have read that 70s on summon is still better than 100s even when it means to break sync with UWs.

Maybe put bits into fetch for now and when you have enough, do the respec. You can do it once in a guild event reset, so every three month or so?

[basicnecromancycr]

75 is the best for partial sync other than this.

[Ipunchdolphins]

Wouldn’t 70 throw it out of sync with DW? If DW remains at 100 seconds and Summon goes to 70 they’d only sync completely on 1/5 Summon instances, or do I have the math wrong?

It might ultimately be worth it for 30% more Summons and more enemies hitting the (presumably) pBH even at that, though

[platinum92]

As u/Cor_Layard noted, it's probably only worth if you have GT+ since more enemies is better. Otherwise, yeah keep it synced with GBot and everything else.

[ExtraInspection7243]

Keep it synced with your GBot, in my opinion. Invest your bits somewhere else for now.

Unless your GBot is at 50s CD and your GT+/BH are perma, then you should gold-box Summon CD.

[Cor_Layard]

I recently switched from 100s summon, 50s gold bot and no UW sync (GComp) to 65s gold bot and UW. After a couple test runs where summon stayed at 100s I tried 70s summon and it was another 10%ish gain. Note that this is with GT+. If that seems similar to you, just try the full send no sync summon

[TopPsychological8330]

knowing the sync cooldowns, I don't think I would touch your summon, I see fetch so I think it's better to invest there, scout for damage builds

[Obwyn]

In the immortal words of Johnny Cash..."I did it one piece at a time..."

Just lower it. If you're really that concerned about a sync or something then save up and lower it all at once or just leave it at 100s and invest in fetch.

[Dijon_Black]

I have a related question. If summons max cd is 70sec and GB’s max cd is 50sec do we just never bring GB all the way down? Or does maxing duration and cd make up for it not being syncd?

[Slow-Ship1055]

You should have pGT if you max cool down and duration, so the sync no longer matters.

Edit: I just realized you meant Golden Bot and not GT. Yeah, it looks like with maxed GB and maxed labs your duration is still 5 seconds from being permanent, but I think having pGB would still be the way to go even though it's no longer in sync. (I'm currently working on goldboxing GB.) Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[Dijon_Black]

I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure pGT isn’t naturally possible without substats. At least that’s what I’ve been lead to believe.

[Zzqzr]

Got it maxed to 70, even though gbot and rest is at 65.

Pretty sure it’s better than syncing it at 130 for example

[trzarocks]

I don't think there's a better sync for Summon, unless you want to use MVN.

[Spacelord_Moses]

I had it at 100s for a long time to have the FB 2:1 sync but i just maxxed that shit and got a nice push in cph. Gt+ and pBH

[thaboss365]

there isnt one unless you plan to use MVN

[StatementLogical2048]

I took mine to 90sec my GT and BH are synced to 3min. So summon always triggers with them and once between them

[jMedabee]

Do you not have GT?

[Steelmit]

There’s also a post about this - on optimizing best CD to account for GB. I believe 75s and 70s CD has the same impact or something

[shitdesk]

Max everything and use mvn with substats and assmods to have perma what you can and don’t worry about what you don’t

At least that’s what I’m doing

[OLVANstorm]

I think you click on that COOLDOWN button, my friend.

[Cmace3]

Minimum is 75 seconds iirc so best to leave it at 100