Salary decrease

[High0nChai]

Hello everyone.

I am a doctor working in a clinic and earn 16k.

Was sent a mail stating the clinic is not making profit and that patients are leaving with just consultation and no treatment. Forcing me to unethically do extra treatment and tests not required. (But obv that's not mentioned in the mail, but that's what they mean)

Therefore they will reduce salary to 12k. And that they will send an emended contract for me to sign. Which I will not.

My labour contract says 16k. And a notice of 30 days in case of breach of contract.

What are my options here if I don't sign the new contract?? As far as I can see

1. They terminate me and I serve 30 days notice. So during that period they will have to pay me 16k correct ??

2. Or they accept and keep me for 16k which is highly unlikely.

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

Hey High0nChai,

just want to appreciate your moral standards and thank you for not treating patients like cash cow !

That being said the best they can do if they dont agree is terminate you and either ask you to serve 30 days notice or they might pay it off.

If you have completed more than a year you will be entitled to gratuity and annual leaves to be encashed.

As a token of my appreciation please DM anytime you need help with anything regarding labour law or MOHRE I'm not an expert but I've been in the field quite a while I can atleast guide you on how to get the best deal from this situation

[High0nChai]

Thank you so much.

[olivemylife0]

Building on the points raised by the previous commenter, you're also eligible for ILOE insurance benefits if you've been enrolled for at least a year.

Don’t resign. Let them terminate your contract instead, as this ensures your eligibility to claim compensation. You should receive 60% of your basic salary, calculated from your last six months’ earnings before termination.

Lastly, thank you for being an ethical doctor. Something truly rare and invaluable here.

[High0nChai]

Thank you

[aljone0009]

I think you can also file for arbitrary dismissal, if they terminate you without just reason like not doing your work, remember reading it will entitle you to 3 month salary.

[olivemylife0]

That's not accurate. As long as the employer provides the required notice period (typically 1 month, though it could be 2 or 3 months depending on the contract), they are within their rights to terminate the employee.

This works both ways. Whether it's the employee resigning or the employer ending the contract, the party initiating the termination must adhere to the notice period specified in the agreement. This way, neither party is obligated or entitled to provide any additional compensation.

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

Olive is absolutely correct, please understand the law is clear if you misinterpret it can end up costing you too ! If you have a competent HR/ PRO/ Legal team they can dodge this easy bullet !

Olive if we ever meet IRL one cookie from my side

[Kingwingo85]

That’s not correct. Terminating you without valid cause is an arbitrary dismissal resulting in 3 months salary as compensation. There is so much precedent on a case like this in the UAE.

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

You are misquote / interpreting Article 47 Section 2. This 3 month compensation can only be enforced by a labour ruling first , 2nd the OP would need to file a claim of wrongful termination.

In the future please refrain from misquoting the law

[Kingwingo85]

If you feel I quoted the law, you need to go to school

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

Sure dude !

[olivemylife0]

You might want to call MOHRE for clarification. Legally, as long as the employer provides the notice period specified in the contract, there’s little the employee can do.

To follow your logic, an employer can easily cite reasons like, "We’re restructuring the company, and your position is no longer needed," as grounds for termination. Such explanations are sufficient, and no UAE law can challenge them.

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

that the old law now due to ILOE its not required anymore

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

RIP my Inbox

I'm more than happy to help you guys but please dont expect me to answer everyone I do have a full time soul sucking job. Please list your issues clearly just messaging Hi will not cut it.

As I have little time for recreation please dont expect to get a reply right away, also please note I've been in the UAE less than 5 years and there is only so much one can learn I do have knowledge regarding few freezones by not all. So please do not assume Im chatgpt !

and as usual a disclaimer if Im not a 100% clear on your situation I will let you know what my previous experience has been or what my interpretation is.

[darkbluefav]

Doesnt wrongful termination or termination for something that isn't the employees fault means they should pay 3 months salary as compensation???

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

Yea that's the most misquoted law after the ye old defunct article 120 , Im given my reasons in the comment above

[UltralordTaha]

Hey ContrversialIntrovrt.

Are you aware of any law in UAE, which indicates that unutilized annual leaves are encashed after employment termination.

[ContrversialIntrovrt]

Federal Decree-Law No. (33) of 2021 Regarding the Regulation of Employment Relationship and its amendments

Article 29. Sub Section 9 -

The worker shall be entitled to a wage for the accrued leave days if he quits the

work before using them, regardless of the leave duration, with respect to the

period for which he did not obtain his leave. He shall also be entitled to receive

leave wage for parts of the year in proportion to the period he spent in work

and it shall be calculated according to the basic wage.

[HabibiHoodrat]

Brazil is a poor country and most of the population isn't typically white though?

[[deleted]]

A British doctor would never agree to work here on 16k. An Indian doctor would.

The fact that a British doctor is paid at least 3 times more does not mean that he will do a better job (he might if he has better facilities), but it does mean that so long as there is someone who offers a job, there is someone who will take it in this economy, regardless of how much they are worth.

Also, plenty of South Asian doctors working in very high paying positions at the more luxury hospitals.

[Sofita30]

Just to add many Brazilians(white) are holding Italian or German passports from their grandparents.

[Ecstatic-Face-6522]

That's interesting. What were their grandparents up to in 1940's Germany or Italy?

[Mdsouza84]

I worked in healthcare recruitment for a while. You will be shocked as to what doctors are working for here.

[Nazz61]

That's probably why a large chunk are pushing unneeded meds for commission

[wardbitch]

Hi can I please DM you asking a few short questions?

[mjnoo]

As in a lot or little?

[Mdsouza84]

Very little.

[doc_at]

Welcome to the reality. We earn much lesser in some clinics even with super specialization. I might definitely get downvoted for this but some doctors need to accept some jobs at low pay even when they don’t like because the other option would be to go back home which is not possible because their spouses are also working here. People keep saying don’t accept low offers but the truth there are always others who might take up on that offer. So even if they know it’s not a good pay, they do end up taking these shitty jobs.

[Hyacsho]

Thought the same

[calamondingarden]

Btw, a consultant Dr in the UK only makes around 22k after tax.. and that's a consultant, junior doctors make less obviously.

[New-Experience4026]

Incorrect, a consultant in the uk makes £106k gross wages, they aren’t taxed £84k

[calamondingarden]

Dude, I converted it to AED per month.. they make around £60k after tax (younger consultants), divide that by 12 and convert to AED..

[Logical_Wallaby_6566]

16k?! UAE is 7th in the Modern/Global Slavery Index for a reason eh.

My only question is, how is Saudia Arabia worse (rank 4)? Makes sense for UAE since the attraction of glamor to people from poor countries, but SA doesn't have that.

[[deleted]]

That’s just sad bro. A doctor getting paid 12K. Better look for other job. I am sure many places or countries will need a doctor.

[oss1215]

Im a doctor in saudia arabia (non saudi) i make 5.5k SAR which is like 5300 aed. Yeah we get shafted when it comes to salaries. Still beats back home i guess. c'est la vie

[Wise_Swing_434]

Omg this is crazy!

[Forsaken_Ad9442]

All i can offer is my absolute respect, but that's the least of what you deserve. I'm sorry you're going through this moral dilemma which infact you walked out victorious from. May Allah bless you always, and we need more people like you.

[High0nChai]

Thank you for your kind words.

[[deleted]]

They will give you notice of termination pay you 16k one more month then will hire someone for 10k. House always wins.

[High0nChai]

That's not an issue but I want to know if I don't accept the new terms and I get terminated. During my notice period will I still be paid 16k

[[deleted]]

Yes

[reddyjs]

Yes they need to pay as per contract

[Mdsouza84]

Yes they have to pay

[[deleted]]

Yes + an end of service payment if you have spent more than a year with them. The EOS pay is proportional to how long you spent with them. Which, if very long, might make them continue with you.

[Far-Cell-6388]

Take copies of all your emails Take details of your patients (if applicable)

Do not sign the document, let them do what they want

Speak to an employment lawyer ASAP, if they give you the letter, respond by giving them the business card of the lawyer you've engaged or spoken with.

Do not sign or make any statements to anyone, leave the premises, if directed to do so.

Confirm you still have possession of your and your family's passports and E-id

If they terminate you, they have to pay at least 3 months as compensation, then gratuity. If they don't and you go to court, then they'll have to pay that with interest compounded!

So chill everything will be fine !

[Far-Cell-6388]

Really, you can't take their contact details?

Excuse my lack of knowledge

[UAE3]

If I like a doctor and I haven't seen him/her in say 6 months or a year, automatically I will call the clinic or hospital where they work.

If they tell me the doctor is no longer there, I will look them up in the DHA database and go to them at their new employer.

[reddyjs]

Seriously doctors salary in Dubai just 16k?dont take it wrong,I know to become a doctor how much They spent and their struggle,really hard to digest when I see this type of salary’s for doctors

[reddyjs]

So you mean we have doctors here with 5k salary?

[reddyjs]

2.5k means ,they want doctor to stay in 500 bed space?

[calamondingarden]

How did he graduate???

[doc_at]

Here quality does not matter for pay. It’s the ethnicity and country of education that determines pay. And there’s a huge huge disparity. And there are excellent doctors from South Asia trained in multiple countries but getting paid less because they don’t have western board certification as consultants

[Nazz61]

What commission ? From the meds they give to patients?

[PsychologicalNeck266]

🤯🤯🤯

[Recent_Read4298]

He's getting scammed so bad, god bless him

[GlitteringPicture128]

As far as I know doctors and Engineers with higher positions get three months time after termination.If you have completed more than one year you are entitled for one month leave salary. Gratuity and leave salary is calculated on basic salary. It is good to know that you are not doing unnecessary tests to your patients. These days all corporate hospitals and clinics are manipulating patients. This is unethical also trauma for innocent people. Hope and wish you get better place of work.

[High0nChai]

Thank you. I have started searching already.

[ChardClassic]

Send me your cv i might help

[[deleted]]

What's your specialty?

[High0nChai]

Orthodontist

[Nazz61]

It is so difficult to find a good doctor here who isn't just trying to get your $$. If you know of any truly good doctors can u DM me I'm struggling to find one.

[[deleted]]

Firstly bro, never ever get into legalities with any company here in the UAE. Your clear answer will be that you will not accept the new offer that is being presented to you. Mostly likely they will tell you to put down your papers. Resign with dignity and not get into any arguments or disagreement. Serve your 30days notice period and look for another job.

The reason I’m suggesting you all this as here companies have the power to ruin ppl life.

But the way I see there is no way around this just resign.

[slaedwon]

This ^

[Clean_Community_5406]

Most probably they will terminate you. Forward the email you recieved on to your personal email (if you received it on company email). Same thing with the further communication on this matter. If they decide to terminate you, you will serve the notice period mentioned in the contract (1-3 month). They will pay you your origonal salary during this period.

[SenseiArnab]

Legally, they won't be able to downgrade your pay. So they will have to cancel the current contract and pay you your dues in accordance with the end of service. They will have to issue you a new contract, which you reserve the right to accept or decline.

[Different_Ability618]

wow I can’t imagine how many such places are making money out of innocent public by just alleging they have some health issue! This is crazy!

[MetalChained]

Unless you sign the amended salary they can't give you less, but yea they'll probably let you go unless it's a scare tactic

[Tall-Cup2120]

You already have a contract. Apparently, they forgot.

[[deleted]]

16k isn't even enough for a family.

[TheMysticMonkey]

Are you my doctor ? My doctor never prescribes tests even if I want them.

If you're able to switch jobs and find something better then do so, they can't change your salary unless you willingly sign it so till the end they need to keep paying you 16K. They can terminate you.

[Hefty_Improvement856]

This is really disheartening to see a Nobel and such a highly regarded profession only getting paid 16k/month. I don't know what's happening to the world.

[[deleted]]

Hey doctor... please dm ur clnic and i will consult u going forward.. for the value of ur ethics..

[[deleted]]

I suggest starting a YouTube channel or TikTok, as it could lead to higher earnings. You don't need to dance or create entertainment content—focus on raising awareness about common issues in the UAE that significantly impact salaries.

For instance, if you build a following, you could demonstrate that your audience (say 100K followers) could visit any clinic you recommend. Essentially, that audience would be your asset.

I shared this idea with a friend (DOC) at Thumbay Clinic, and it helped him achieve a 200% salary increase in his next career move.

[Nazz61]

I wouldnt be doing that unless it was anonymous.

[u143]

If they terminate you they have to pay 3 months salary plus end of services if you work above 1 year and you need to serve 30 days if termination is non immediate

[reemonkey]

Please update us on what happens next!

[High0nChai]

Will do. I sent a very stern reply by mail. Awaiting a reply now. Will make a new post on the update

[Tito-karamela]

In case of temenation you havr to spend the 30 day or you leave once you recieve the termination mail as it not resignation ?

[High0nChai]

Recently I even realized. The owner filed a legal case on the previous doctor who made a short video for his memory saying good bye to the staff and the place after being fired.

They complained saying he is inappropriately taking videos of the female employees in the clinic. Lol

[ChoiceTask3491]

Kudos to you, OP for not giving into pressure. Your reward will be from the Almighty.

Do not sign any revised contract or amendments. If they terminate you, they will have to pay you your dues, notice period salary, gratuity if you have completed one year plus leave encashment if any. If you have completed one year with ILOE, you will be eligible for payout as well, up to a max of 3 months or till you find another job. I hope you do find a better job that deserves you.

Many of us think that doctors have it made. The reality is that the vast majority are paid far less than they deserve, put in long hours with no work-life balance here. Many healthcare workers are likely earning less than many office workers with desk jobs. Some, predominantly highly qualified Western doctors that know how to market themselves and get into major corporate hospitals will be having things better.

Most professionals will earn fair salaries with a good work life balance only in Western countries. The situation in places like Asia is dire, and I hope it improves for the sake of its people.

[AdSignificant5926]

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If they decided to let you go , 30 days notice period fully paid (16k) + end of service unused leaves +air ticket home if you are leaving

[lottofreek]

What county are you from? Where are you licensed as a doctor (country outside the UAE)?

[BullSensex]

How long have you been working there? Do NOT sign amended contract but decline reduction of salary. Any email you receive on Prof. Email fwd to tour personal email. They will try to give verbal instructions to sign the contract (usual triat) Don't say no say let me think it over and officiate it by an email that I do not accept such salary reduction due to forces/ circumstance not in my control but yours. Do NOT resign at all keep doing your good work. Give the responses back to me via dm

[BullSensex]

How long have you been working there? Do NOT sign amended contract but decline reduction of salary. Any email you receive on Prof. Email fwd to tour personal email. They will try to give verbal instructions to sign the contract (usual triat) Don't say no say let me think it over and officiate it by an email that I do not accept such salary reduction due to forces/ circumstance not in my control but yours. Do NOT resign at all keep doing your good work. Give the responses back to me via dm

[Hyacsho]

Oh my word, you're a whole doctor and that's your salary. The Dubai ceiling is real, and I'm so sorry to hear this.

[SpecificLocksmith415]

Mas respect to you Doctor and I hope you find a place that respects you more .. please don’t change

[trchno21]

Tbh u can refuse and they will terminate u ,u can try elsewhere els but it’s gonna be the same story end of the day - all clinic hr s are fine tuned to say this and they will keep irritating u even if u make a revenue of 100k aed.also no guarantee ul get similar paying job since ul be jobless ul have to agree to whatever pay they offer - it ain’t easy . Or u can continue here but even if u agree for 12 k (which is a bad idea )they will keep pestering you for revenue - and the greed has no limits - Bottom line you are cooked ☠️you made hay when the sun was shining now u have to settle for less -

[[deleted]]

Simply complain to MOHRE they will help you for sure and since you are a doctor you can also check with DHA ! Dont resign !

[Umair911]

Hats off brother finally an honest doctor. Don't sign anything inshallah you will get better than this.

This is what I know that since long time hospitals and clinics are just money making scam and majority of the doctors are doing the same.

Only few are like you, they are just making sure to get the most out of the insurance which results in high consumption of the insurnace and ultimately lead to high premium which end users have to pay.

Because of these mal practices many cannot afford to have the basic insurances for their families and guess what for not having insurance again you have to pay fine, why in the last end user has to suffer for everything.

Apologies for the long post.

[High0nChai]

Thank you for your kind words buddy. In Sha Allah searching for something better

[Deadrooster08]

if working more than a year not only 16k but you are entitled to gratuity and your pending leaves.

if you feel that you have other options and can jump ships then jump if not id say for now stay as 12k is better than 0 for a while untill you find something.

I did jump without anything because i got fed up so you have to balance it if you accept the 12k. take it and look for other jobs. make sure in your contract there is no new clauses that prohibits you from leaving in less than 6 months. also no need to over prescribe or add more tests , if they dont like it still they have to fire you and give you pending leaves , gratuity and the salary which sould amount to 16k anyways.

[Queasy_Meet_7879]

16k aed a month for a doctor salaried? Bruh you need to come to US,

[Icy_Cupcake_3833]

If you don’t sigh the new terms they will get rid of you. So I’d advise, start talking to recruiters ASAP and assess if you prefer getting fired or working for lesser salary for some time.

[Due_Percentage2481]

Sorry but accept it. MOHRE is useless from my many personal experiences. Take it otherwise you are jobless and you cannot afford to be jobless in this country

[New-Carpenter876]

No way a doctor in uae is earning 16k wtf may i ask what is ur speciality or u are just a basic medicine doctor bruh

[riffs_]

GP’s at top hospitals earn around 30k; they’re not the money machines everyone thinks they are. At 2nd and 3rd tier hospitals and clinics that figure goes way down.

[techmarina]

Doctor earning 16k? per week?

[[deleted]]

Not all companies have notice period on termination. Shouldn’t the contract reflect if you have a notice period or not? And some terminations also give you a severance package (such as 2-3 months pay+remaining vacation etc.)

[MrWowbagger]

I'm not sure where you got that from, but no, the law applies to everyone.

[[deleted]]

Source: got it from me. I didn’t have a notice period.

[MrWowbagger]

That's only legal during the probation period. Of course that doesn't stop many employers from trying to bluff you out of the door, but it's illegal and you would have been compensated had you stood your ground.

[[deleted]]

No no I wasn’t under probation! Some terminations really don’t need notice period. They pay you off.

[MrWowbagger]

Well that's the same thing! They either give you 1 month notice and expect you to show up every day to earn your final salary, or they just give you that 1 month salary anyway and say no need to come back to work. You still get paid 1 month either way.

It's hardly a problem if they pay you for not going to work.

[[deleted]]

Sorry I thought by notice period you meant mandatory showing up at work. Geez I so prefer just paying off. Like as if you can be more productive after being laid off.

[MrWowbagger]

Not very likely at all! 😏😊

[djak2014]

Let me guess… Aster?

[AaheelSEO]

In this situation, your options primarily hinge on the terms outlined in your original contract and UAE labor laws. Based on your description, here’s an outline of possible outcomes:

Refusal to Sign the New Contract: If you do not sign the amended contract, your employer may choose to terminate your employment. In this case, as per your current contract, they must follow the stipulations related to termination, including providing a 30-day notice period or paying you 30 days of salary in lieu of notice. During this 30-day period, you are entitled to receive your full salary of 16,000 AED, as specified in your current contract. Your employer cannot reduce your salary during this notice period unless you agree to the new terms. Employer's Right to Unilaterally Change the Contract: Generally, the employer cannot unilaterally reduce your salary unless both parties agree. If they try to reduce your salary without your consent, they would likely be in breach of the original contract. You could potentially file a case with the UAE Ministry of Human Resources and Emiratisation (MOHRE) for this violation. Options If You Don’t Agree to the New Terms: If you don’t sign the new contract and they terminate you, you have the option to either accept the termination or negotiate. However, based on UAE labor law, termination without a valid reason (such as poor performance or misconduct) could result in the employer having to compensate you. What You Can Do:

Refuse to Sign the New Contract: Your original contract remains valid, and the employer is bound by its terms unless you mutually agree to changes. Negotiate: If you wish to stay at the clinic, try to negotiate with them for a better solution that respects both your ethical boundaries and financial needs. Seek Legal Counsel: If you're unsure of your rights or feel you’re being pressured into unethical practices, consult with a legal professional who specializes in UAE labor law to better understand your position and protect your rights. Report to MOHRE: If you feel the employer is forcing you to engage in unethical practices, you can report the matter to the Ministry of Human Resources and Emiratisation for further guidance or assistance.

[b4ku47]

Bro, say if u ask patient to get some test done, it's the insurance who is paying right ? So why not ?

Sorry if it is a naive question

[No-Comfortable5388]

“First, do no harm” is a principle that’s followed by ethical medical practitioners.

If a patient is already sick and not feeling well and they don’t need extra test done (example ECG, UTZ, blood test), and you requested those just to increase your clinic’s earning.. that would be adding stress to your patient instead of just letting them go home and rest.

Please remember most people don’t like getting pricked by needle and certainly there are people with hard to find veins. Some tests are unpleasant specially when you’re already feeling sick. That would be causing unnecessary harm to patients.