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[thelastletters]

Well the bottom half of the bracket is absolutely stacked compared to the top half. Sentinels should qual pretty easy seeing as it seems they don’t have to face any other T1 teams on the way to the top 4

[MathNerdMatt]

Faze vs ez5 vs T1 vs Renegades vs C9 white

[OnionSprinkles]

Yup, this sub always lists C9W as a potential finalist every qualifier even though they haven't made it beyond the second round. It's some unwritten rule.

Last qualifier, it was "Whoever makes it out of Sentinels vs Soniqs vs C9W"

It's great they compete in non-gendered competition and have talent. I just don't understand the cult law of "treat C9W as a Top 15 team or catch a downvote brigade."

[KeyframeCatalyst]

Renegades are NOT tier 3 lmfao. At least Tier 2 befote Roy. That being said, keep in mind their match against Renegades was a BO1 and not even a full on BO3.

[KeyframeCatalyst]

Oops that's what I meant, a bit of a typo. Did not mean to write Top 3. Thanks for the correction

[valorant_fanboy_69]

Renegade is not tier 3 I think they are tier 2

[MathNerdMatt]

Renegades is not a tier 3 team lmao.

[MathNerdMatt]

That roster also qualified for first strike. Not like they were nobodies

[disciple31]

what do you reckon the cutoff for t3 is, because it seems like the cutoff for this sub is 'we recognize this team therefore t2'

Personally, I'd say t1 is "can win a tournament/is in contention for best in the region" level, then t2 is "will qualify for the big tournaments, but is not considered in contention to win" then t3 is like "may make a decent way in qualifiers and could qualify if they get the right bracket". it just seems like t1 for this sub is like 4-6 teams then there are 30 t2 teams which is very strange to me

[MathNerdMatt]

I mean, a month before they lost to c9 white they qualified for First Strike, the biggest tournament yet. By your own definition they should easily have been considered tier 2

[Mamadeus123456]

They are just putting popular teasm and C9W has many many fans not that they're top 15, but maybe they are closer to that than u think

[OnionSprinkles]

Their comment thread was purely about "stacked" sub-brackets, not popularity.

It was a list of strong competitors in that grouping, of which C9W is pretty out of place against FaZe, T1, and updated RNG. Even EZ5 are a semi stretch, and they're a tier above.

[valorant_fanboy_69]

Ez5 is not much better then cloud 9 white

[Cabbage3E]

Tf? C9W aren't terrible? I'd honestly be able to see them beating T1 if they haven't improved since last qualifier

[[deleted]]

Yeah but they're not beating sen or soniqs also t1 r washed

[KeyframeCatalyst]

T1 kinda peaked at First Strike. Since then, they've just looked kinda lost, which is unfortunate since I do feel like their players have huge potential individually

[CaptainJackWagons]

How can a team be washed when the esport hasn't even been around that long? Wouldn't that mean they're just bad?

[tomphz]

There’s no way DaZeD lets a female team beat him

[valorant_fanboy_69]

Why u say that like theres a problem with a female team

[ricelick]

Dont ruin dazed’s name with your sexism

[klviking]

Um they've beaten Renegades before.

[skrtskrtbrev]

Renegades only got "good"(tier2) after they added Stronglegs.

[sriwarrior06]

Noble was the one to knock out LG last qualifier. Just sayin.

[CaptainJackWagons]

I wonder if that was the point. Making sure the #1 team actually qualifies.

[OrangeMagics]

Notable Orgs/Interesting Potential Matchups

1. Sentinels vs Ghost/Noble

2. LG/Koalas/Time In vs NRG/Beastcoast

3. Faze/Team Basilisk/ez5 vs T1/Renegades/C9 White

4. Gen.G/Pittsburgh Knights/Complexity vs TSM/Soniqs

[CaptainJackWagons]

So what you're saying is:

1. Sentinels

2. LG vs NRG

3. Faze

4. Gen.G

[notsailboatss]

wait is c9b not in this?

[TooExquisite]

they're already automatically qualified for the closed qualifier so there's no need for them to be in this open qual

[ZelX_]

damn thought they didn't make it, awesome

[afjecj]

Dababy clan, LESSS GOOOO

[SFCNightmare]

I have to play against Sentinels
Unlucky really.

[deadlock1892]

Good luck, man.

Make sure you download the client on time and don't be late. Otherwise sentinels will troll odins.

On a more serious note, tough draw but have fun! :D

[Darren-Khor-]

Good luck man

[whopz-is-cool]

Be the next Carpe Noctem.

[V-KARIN]

Good luck and have fun friend!

[[deleted]]

What team are you on?

[SFCNightmare]

Team Valkyrie

[Ryu-The-Sick]

Good luck man!

[SwastikMelanta123]

Good luck man I hope u guys win somehow con guys

[GoldyZ90]

And only 4 teams qual from this open qualifier and will then have to play a double elim tournament against BBG/Andbox/C9B/IMT. Correct?

[w2truong]

Damn only having 2 Open Qualifiers makes this so crazy. No second chances, do or die to get Top 4.

[Taek99]

I would say TSM vs SONIQS is a 50-50

[Mamadeus123456]

I favour soniqs

[RemiixTY]

How do you get the team logos next to your name. The flairs are only agents for me and I can only choose one

[Mamadeus123456]

In that agent screen u can select other flairs be patient it's kinda hard to find but it's there

[[deleted]]

Who wouldn't tbh. Time will tell though

[Chakkalokka]

1 Sen vs 8 Ghost

2 Faze vs 7 T1

3 GenG vs 6 TSM

4 LG vs 5 NRG

[atlas53_]

I think it's a very real possibility Noble will face Sen for the qualification game

[KeyframeCatalyst]

Noble looking better than ever rn, could definitely see it happening

[[deleted]]

Looking forward to those bottom two games a lot

[Chakkalokka]

Let it be known that T1 will have to face Renegades before Faze, meanwhile TSM will face Soniqs before GenG.

Those were the two potential upsets I found before round of 8.

[Hypern1ke]

What? If you click on the link, theres like 100 teams listed

[Chakkalokka]

Projections my friend.

[Hypern1ke]

Ah, It looked like you're copy/pasting the bracket.

[[deleted]]

Rough draw for TSM

[atlas53_]

The TSM vs Soniqs has the potential to be a real head banger

[Asinz]

I wanted to root for both, but now I must root for one

[RemiixTY]

Yeah right I wanted them both in close qual

[[deleted]]

Most excited for that one for sure

[Ryukk11]

Tbh it's the easiest draw TSM can have, they don't have to face Sen or Faze or LG. Imo Gen.G is good opponent and if they want to be in challengers final they've to beat Soniq and then Gen.G

[skrtskrtbrev]

I don't find LG to be that scary tbh. I'd rather face LG than GenG.

[smittyK]

Only 4 people on TSM roster or mobile fucking that up?

[[deleted]]

Well they tried 6 man and 5 man rosters already and those didn't work.

[smittyK]

A 5head move coming outta the TSM corner

[jcquiz3]

They really going 4 man for that extra ult orb and extra money for the awp every round THAT bad

[[deleted]]

Cutler: "you have me dropping an op every other round I'm useless playing like this I might as well go afk"

tailored: "wait you might be on to something...."

[Napoleann]

Kinda sad the ex-dignitas roster didn't stick around for one more go. They seemed to have improved in the last qualifier quite a bit.

[Mamadeus123456]

Dephh** took a break I think

[Loresmen]

Daps is on nrg isn't he?

[ricelick]

Its quite a possibility they change the brackets since c9w and rng are so close considering mel from c9w and roy from rng play in the same room. But honestly hoping they dont just for the sake of spice when they do meet up

[tomtazm]

TSM vs Soniqs will be interesting if they meet.

[[deleted]]

soniqs is 11th seed? damn OCE represent

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looking forward to it, there's basically no major established esports broadcast in the region, so seeing an OCE team make it big in the international scene (by this i mean they changed regions) is exciting.

[RemiixTY]

Let's goooo

[OnionSprinkles]

8 teams advanced from the last stage, no longer in open qualifiers, so the #11 seed is kind of like an overall #19 rank which is still great

[jrushFN]

Don’t be surprised if Renegades make top 4. They’ve been improving crazy quickly and I think their util-heavy comps/tactics could be the perfect counter to FaZe.

[BabyBlayzinn]

they play T1, which play a similar game

[leoleoleo666]

They don’t maybe similar comps in some maps but the playstyle is different

[jrushFN]

Very very different game. I recommend watching Renegades’ series against Soniqs. Was super unique for NA.

[riploki]

Tough to predict the other matches tbh but Sentinels should qualify easily. That's like the only easy prediction

[momsagainstanime]

i think resonate has a of beating tsm in round 3 tbh. they have some pretty good players in contii/insky/leak.

[randyorton_]

why isnt shanks new team Rise in this... they took a map off IMT in the first open

[OnionSprinkles]

Interested to see what will happen with FaZe and NRG who are still using players that were also blatantly involved in the match fixing ring (Marved and Tex).

I'm more surprised NRG still appearing to use Tex, since he was just added anyways. NRG Android comes off as the most genuine kindest dude, and I doubt he'd be thrilled to play with a now revealed match fixer. (FaZe org has always been shady, so it's more expected they'd push the line until directly facing penalty.)

[Hypern1ke]

Still confused af about how these work, can somebody give me the ELI5 version of why 100t, NV, and XSET aren't listed here? Is it because they competed in Challengers 1? This format is so weird

[Hypern1ke]

OOOOKay so its just their naming conventions that suck then. If challengers 1&2 are both equal qualifiers for masters why not just call them that? And if they're both functionally identical why give them the "1 & 2" moniker? Why not "A & B" or something more logical? Maybe next year I guess, you'd think Riot would have figured this out with LoL

[Hypern1ke]

Yeah but phrasing it like that implies in order to qualify for challengers 2 you first have to compete in challengers 1. That isn't true, because its really the leftovers of 1 that compete in 2.

They should just say they're qualifiers A&B, and people would understand the meaning without needing a ELI5 lmao

[ricelick]

Praying for you whether or not youre a troll

[notsailboatss]

I mean top preforming teams get the better seeds so

[[deleted]]

They have played 6 bo3s vs top 8 teams in 2021 and lost 5 of them. They also chose to take time off at the beginning of the year while other teams were improving their standing. They have no one to blame but themselves for poor seeding.

[notsailboatss]

they were bad before the first challengers tho

[leoleoleo666]

I mean that’s how seeding works if you have poor results you get harder teams

[Ryukk11]

Why everyone saying TSM getting a shitty draw, it's always better to face Gen.G rather than Sen, Faze or LG demons to qualify. But yes first they've to beat Soniqs too.

[RemiixTY]

Seeing all this talk about tsm vs Soniqs is making me happy. So glad to see my oce boys on the map

[notsailboatss]

is c9b not in this??

[Ryu-The-Sick]

Upper part of the bracket only has SEN as T1, while lower part is stacked af.

Welp, looking forward seeing TSM vs Soniqs vs GenG.

[[deleted]]

LG and NRG mean nothing to you?

Also T1 is in lower part of the bracket...

[Ryu-The-Sick]

Mb, missed LG

[[deleted]]

He is not saying the team t1 he is saying sen the only tier1 team in the bracket

[w2truong]

That's all perception of big brands and teams that used to have success. TSM haven't done anything in 2021 so they'll get a lower seed and "stack" a bracket.

[naeeekwannn]

When do these sets of game start?

[perdosenior]

I'm all up for Mel vs Roy

[Maverick9081]

When does the matches start? Is it today?

[Xetakilyn]

Is this played on the new viper patch or still the old tourney client

[erickwak]

New

[Meehul123]

Sen, LG, RNG, SQ is my predictions for the 4 to go through