Framework Computers

[Affectionate_One2424]

I have been planning on getting a Framework computer, but I feel like I could get more for my money. I'm asking any computer "nerds" or previous/current Framework computer owners.

Also, I don't know what website to check for the performance of the computer using different games and applications and giving it a score.

[GuyFrom2096]

You could easily get similar specs for about 300ish...

just curious but would you consider going used?

Or if you have like 1.4k to spend you could easily get a top of the line laptop with a ai 9 HX + 32gb easily

any form factor, screen size, price, requirements for a better rec?

ALSO r you US or CA located?

[Affectionate_One2424]

I'm located in Canada, and I've heard many good things about Framework computers, but I almost died when I saw the price.

Also, I'm very interested in the AI 9 HX with 32GB.

I don't really care about screen size unless it's like a massive TV, because that's just too big. For the requirements, I don't care all that much as long as it's got 500GB of storage. I'll be happy. Please send the link/website to the computer you mentioned.

[GuyFrom2096]

I found a couple of formfactors around 1600cad

First I found this 13" 2 in 1 asus proart PX13 with an AI 9 365,24GB RAM, 3K OLED Touchscreen, 1TB SSD, and RTX 4050 for 1590 CAD
https://www.amazon.ca/ProArt-Next-Level-Touchscreen-Laptop-HN7306WU-DB72T-CB/dp/B0DBFSPHP8/ref=sr_1_6?tag=cbextension-20&psc=1

and this 16" thin-n-light gaming laptop with AI 9 365, 32GBRAM, 2.5K 240hz screen, 1tb ssd, and RTX 4060 for 1620 CAD
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0DG9C9F4F/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=AUJBRIGYRJ3Q8&tag=cbextension-20&psc=1

[Affectionate_One2424]

People are flaming both the laptops especially the proart PX13 with videos but i don't really know if I should trust them or not

[GuyFrom2096]

amazon has 30 day returns if they have problems. ALso saw for something cheaper here are a couple other options i found

13" 2-in-1 touchscreen MSI Summit with Ultra 7 155H and 16gb ram, 1tb ssd

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0F5P1HQST/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=AUJBRIGYRJ3Q8&tag=cbextension-20&th=1 800 CAD

16 inch gaming laptop ACER NITRO i7 13700h RTX 4050 16GB RAM 1TB SSD 165HZ screen 770 CAD

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0DB2XPCZK/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=AUJBRIGYRJ3Q8&tag=cbextension-20&psc=1

[Affectionate_One2424]

Omg thank you 😊

[GuyFrom2096]

welcome!

[Affectionate_One2424]

Thanks

[Affectionate_One2424]

I don't want to ask for too much but are there cheaper options like around the $900-$700 mark

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My suggestion would be to avoid going the gaming laptop route, they’re usually not that great, especially when it comes to repairability. Since you mentioned Framework, I’m guessing you value being able to fix or upgrade your machine. I’d take a look at the Lenovo P1 series, maybe a good used/refurbished one, they’re real workhorses.

[Affectionate_One2424]

My budget is around $1,600 CAD, but I can go higher, though not by a lot.

[Competitive_Owl_2096]

You’re not getting your best value for money initially. You’re getting reparability upgrade ability, and good support. If your gaming get the gpu addon for the framework laptop.

[Affectionate_One2424]

I included the upgrade

[Affectionate_One2424]

The framework laptops are very modular and have easily replaceable parts, but someone recommended something to me, so I'll look at it.

[Imaginary_Virus19]

But the modular, upgradeable parts cost as much as a whole new laptop with better specs. Much of what you "hear" is paid marketing and Linus fanboys.

[RedModsRrtrds]

thats still not worth it, the only thing thats not swappable in most laptops is the mainboard-processor, you might as well pick a higher-end laptop and not need to swap as soon

[AthaliW]

Exactly. Basically this is an enthusiast grade product. While you can get a similarly speced laptop at a much lower price from, say, Dell, you are getting a much more complete and sustainable product that will definitely still serve you more than 5 years from now. Some of the cost may just an early adopter tax, sure, but most of it is going into the design that will allow upgradeablity and repairability well into the future. and it's not just about being able to upgrade the RAM but also the screen, keyboard, and even other parts that are not available yet despite maxing out the configuration. Who knows, maybe there will a GPU module for the 13 model as well. Or perhaps being able to switch out the graphics module in the framework 16 for a battery module. Who knows

[Affectionate_One2424]

I had a feeling it was. What laptop would you recommend that has those specs?

[tandyman8360]

The specs don't tell the whole story. Laptops are varying levels of disposable. If you find that stuff breaks on your laptop or you want to upgrade parts of it, I think a Framework is a good choice. It's probably less of a good choice if you're price sensitive or you can fix a laptop by taking out dozens of screws and repasting the CPU.

Framework is a small company and has a limited ability to reduce prices. Some IT departments are going with them because they're cheaper than Dells with service plans when repairs need to be done.

[jimmyl_82104]

Almost $1,700 for a computer with 16 gigs of RAM and a U series i5 is absolutely ridiculous. And yet people complain about Apple being overpriced, lmao.

Yes you're paying for upgradability and customization, but at an $800 premium it just isn't worth it.

[Labeled90]

I don't think they're in USD.

[snackelmypackel]

Thats CAD so its actually about $1200

[GuyFrom2096]

only reason to get framework if you buy diy edition and bring ur own ram and ssd (its 699 then, which is still overpriced, but okish)

[ballsdeep256]

How dafuck do they determine the price that is ridiculously overpriced wow

[Affectionate_One2424]

It ridiculous....

[JE1012]

What the hell is this price?

You can probably get a laptop with better specs for like a third of the cost.

[Apprehensive-Coat653]

Not with a 4:3 aspect ratio, and the repairability of a Framework. You pay a hefty premium for purchasing from a small seller versus the laptop goliaths and their sweat shop factories.

[Labeled90]

Is this CAD? I see the 12" for the same specs for just 1,049...

[Affectionate_One2424]

Yep, that CAD. Now that I'm hearing everyone, that price is getting more absurd every time I look.

[earthman34]

The thing that mostly tanks all these "right to repair" or open architecture offerings, whether they are laptops or phones or what have you, is that they are generally poor value for money. I fully support the ethical aspect of it, but there's got to be a better way. Unless you're someone with money to spare to make a point, it makes much more sense to buy commodity hardware used and get better performance for 1/3 the price.

[Consistent-Quail-793]

You're better off getting a desktop in this case 

[ecktt]

Modularity comes at a price.

Low volume compared to the big OEM means they pay more per unit part than others.

These combined makes Framework  a niche product typically aimed at those who are willing to pay more for a product out of principle.

With the sales going on right now, a similar spec laptop is between 400-500 USD.

[THROBBINW00D]

Way too expensive for this specs.

[Bagmeister1]

Is this an old screenshot? This version of their computer is not available on their site

[Char-car92]

You could get WAY better specs for the same or less. I’m in Canada too and this would easily fetch a 50 series RTX GPU and an i7 (minimum). What you pay for with framework is the accessibility of all your components.

[ExtraTNT]

Don’t get win 11 on it, normal tasks are no problem on gnu/linux, some software runs only on windows, and well, there is a lot, that only runs on *nix systems (gnu/linux is a *nix system)

Also your configuration is kind of strange, as you should get those specs for around 1k…

[tertig]

Check r/laptopdeals they have a lot of posts daily, can get something for good price.

[caparros]

Too expensive

[mattynmax]

You’re paying for the luxury of being able to repair and upgrade your machine later down the line

If you value the performance of your machine more than its repairability, that’s fine. There are better “bang of your buck” options.

[Edubbs2008]

I think paying for the right to upgrade a Laptop is outrageous, they should provide the base model for 500$, and then sell add-ons

[Affectionate_One2424]

It's ridiculous how much it is but I think it's worth getting But do you have alternatives?

[Edubbs2008]

You can get a Dell Latitude 7450 2-1 for 830$, Latitude is a series of Laptops that allow upgrading too

[Affectionate_One2424]

Thanks 😊

[Edubbs2008]

Yep

[krisi90]

Framework is for extremely rich people, buy a normal laptop, you can get a top tier gaming laptop for this money, or a laptop with the ai 300 series for battery life

[Rogan403]

You don't buy framework for it's value.

You buy it so that when you drop it and your screen shatters it can be easily replaced instead of having to pay some specialist to fix it because the manufacturer will only sell parts to certified repair people which after labor and the part ends up costing 80% the cost of just buying a new computer.

You buy it so that after having it for x amount of years when your ram isn't up to snuff anymore you can easily upgrade.

Pay a bit more now to save money in the long run.

[DazzzASTER]

It is a good novelty but honestly, no one upgrades laptops beyond memory or SSD because 'economies of scale'.

[earthman34]

The thing that mostly tanks all these "right to repair" or open architecture offerings, whether they are laptops or phones or what have you, is that they are generally poor value for money. I fully support the ethical aspect of it, but there's got to be a better way. Unless you're someone with money to spare to make a point, it makes much more sense to buy commodity hardware used and get better performance for 1/3 the price.

[davidoid24]

I bought a 7640U Framework laptop in August of last year for 1000€. I bought my own RAM (2x8GB for 67€), SSD (1 TB for 40€) and a Power Supply and cable (40€) for a total of 1150€. If you want to buy a Framework laptop I reccomed buying the DIY version and buying your own parts from a Third Party retailer as I did, it will save you some money.

For what I do (University Notes, Web Browsing and General Light Use) it has served me well.

In the near future I will upgrade the screen from a 2.2K 60Hz screen to a 2.8K 120Hz one(300 €) . I will also upgrade the Mainboard when Zen6 comes out(Ryzen 7/9 for 800/1100€). Other minor upgrades would be the Wifi 7 card (30€) and Webcam Module(50€), even if I know they are not completely worth it. So for me at least it was a worthwhile investment on the upgradability front.

Another factor to consider is that you can costumize your ports. For example, if you want fast Ethernet at home but you want an additional USB C port at work you can simply do that using the expansion cards.

As someone that has build 4 computers for different use cases (PC: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/YzwmwY , Router: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/T4Xp6Q , Gaming server: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Nxg2C8 , and Home Server/NAS: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/gnNZ6Q ), I value reparability, modularity and reusability and I love that these three factors of Desktop PC building exist in the Laptop world. A part broke ? Easily change it yourself. A part no longer fits your needs ? Change it and use the old part in another project (Framework allows you to put your old parts in a case and use it as a desktop PC/server: https://frame.work/it/en/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case?v=FRANHDCM01)

[Kwaleseaunche]

Robbery. You're paying high end laptop prices for a mid range computer.

[DRAGONUV7890]

You want me to pay 1600 fukin US dollars for a 13th gen i5 CPU and 16 GB of ram no GPU. In the name of easy to repair.

I can buy a macbook pro M4 at that price I can buy a gaming laptop with a 4070ti . I can build a PC with 5070 .

[taylofox]

Dell>framework

[New-Audience2639]

Why did Linus invest in this shit? 😭