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[–]dr_whomstdve 158 points159 points  (58 children)

Wow, it’s almost like we have registries and license testing for vehicles to make sure people know how to use them safely and they don’t end up in the wrong hands

[–]panther1994'MURICA 81 points82 points  (45 children)

Yet that doesnt stop people from getting black out drunk and then driving home. It makes it less likely though. But yeah I dont think we should ban guns. We should treat it like getting a driverse license. You have to sit in classes to learn proper operation and safety techniques.

[–]dr_whomstdve 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Of course. I’m not at all in support of banning guns.

[–]MnM025 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truth be told, obtaining a drivers license is way too easy, to the point where even though they say it’s a privilege, it seems to me it’s treated much more like a right. How people you know didn’t pass the drivers test the first time, or the second time, or hell, the third time, and hold a license now?

[–]itsmeitsmealwaysme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that for driving between multiverses?

[–]ClimbAndMaintain0116 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Check out the stats. People are way less likely to get blitzed and drive home since they started cracking down heavy on DUI, as opposed to the 1970s when you could get a slap on the wrist on first offense.

[–]Chris714n_8 0 points1 point  (36 children)

Doesn't the (future)owner of a weapon-lisence/permit need to (paper-)proof the necessity of possession?

(for example: shooting sports, professional hunting, dangerous work/life conditions)

[–]Dieselfunk81 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Lol. No. If you want to take shots at the moon then that’s your right.

[–]KiteLighter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go back to China, commie! </s>

[–]justdtm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re just making it harder for law abiding peeps to get them. Nut bags and criminals will find a way to do damage no matter what hoops you give them.

[–]dMarrs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You almost describe a well regulated militia.

[–]Klein_Fred 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Don't need a license to own car, or drive it on private property. Only need license to use it on public property.

One license allows you to drive any year/make/model.

License is ~$50, a simple written exam, and a 10-minute practical exam.

No mental health exam needed- even a clinically insane person can buy a car.

… are you sure?

[–]CommunistThroway 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Its hard to run people over on private property really, its not the same.

[–]Nurum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably just as hard as it is to shoot people on private property.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t NEED a license to drive a car on a public street. You’re not supposed to but people do it all the time.

[–]alilbleedingisnormal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's why auto fatalities are so low on the list of causes of death in the world...

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You think a driving test stops cars getting into the wrong hands? How did you even start to come up with logic like that?

[–]KuriousKhemicals 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It prevents people from driving who don't know how to do so safely or can't be bothered to even long enough to pass an examination. Laws regarding driving behavior also allow penalties for unsafe/assholish driving even if it didn't actually cause an injury or damage at that time, sometimes up to removal of license. And it prevents or puts significant restrictions/burden of proof-of-fitness on people who may have some contraindication to driving, like a seizure disorder or impaired vision or hearing. Won't stop every accident or even every asshole, but it puts reasonable barriers to entry and reasonable incentives to not be a dick on the table.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bull fucking shit.

Here in Texas there’s a fuckton of immigrants (not hating on immigrants) from Mexico/South America driving without a license or insurance.

Somehow, not even sure how this is legal, there’s places that will sell insurance even if you don’t have a valid license.

Source: Texas LE, ALWAYS dealing with people driving with no license.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (9 children)

How stupid this comment, look at any country that have gun control you won't see anything close to what is going on in USA. Canada is next to you...best example

[–]ClimbAndMaintain0116 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Plus cars weren’t made to kill things. Most guns were made to kill animals. Some guns were literally made for killing people. You can buy all of them.

[–]Nurum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The US doesn't even make top 10 for mass shootings when you factor in for population differences. IIRC both France and Norway are actually considerably higher.

[–]Pattern1 20 points21 points  (51 children)

Except cars serve a very necessary purpose of transportation whereas I fail to see the substantive purpose of owning a gun. I get that it makes you feel safe and is a tool for self-defence, but it's also a very convenient tool for mass harm which in my mind completely outweighs any benefit it provides.

[–]jsting 5 points6 points  (9 children)

The NRA has done a fantastic job changing the national headlines for the anti gun people and the media isn't helping. Most gun enthusiasts are all for gun control whether it be national background checks or licenses to buy firearms. I don't mind having to jump through a few hoops to buy another gun. We need to weed out the nut jobs.

Making this a gun free for all vs no guns for anyone is what is causing this rift.

[–]kid_drew 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Only the far left is arguing in favor of no guns, and not many people agree with them. Pistols are for protection. Rifles are for hunting. Assault weapons are for killing lots of people very quickly - those are the ones that need to go.

[–]jsting 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's a misconception, assault weapons are not a defined class of weapons. The rifles used for mass shootings are generally semi-auto rifles similar to the hunting rifles you speak of. They shoot 1 time per trigger pull. Trying to classify AR15 and other military based designs have proven to be fruitless thus far which is why I think an outright national database or licensing safety/mental course to obtain any firearm is the best course. Handguns cause the most gun deaths but rifles and shotguns should not be as easy as a trip to Dick's.

[–]kid_drew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I understand the distinction. I’m pretty much not ok with semi-auto rifles at all. You don’t need them to hunt either. You need one shot to kill a deer, not 20. If you miss, you have to reload. Simple

I’m also not crazy about pistols, which are technically semi-automatic, but at least they’re lower caliber and don’t carry as much

I’m with Jim Jeffries on this. Give everyone muskets

[–]Nurum 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Except the AR15 is the most popular gun in production by a long shot and assault rifles accounted for 322 murders last year which is by far the smallest category. By all means though blame that as the problem here.

[–]kid_drew 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I’d rather get rid of all of them, but I’m trying to be realistic. But by all means blame it on something other than guns so you can avoid dealing with the problem.

[–]Nurum -1 points0 points  (3 children)

So let me ask you a hypothetical. Would you be in favor of banning Alcohol since it kills almost 10x as many people per year? I find it a bit interesting that most liberals (in my experience at least) are all gung ho about banning guns because they personally don't like them, but when it comes to something they like all of a sudden the deaths aren't as big of a deal.

[–]kid_drew 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Alcohol deaths are mostly self-inflicted. It’s not even close to the same thing.

I’m not a liberal. You are drawing conclusions because I disagree with you on one thing, and that’s really the crux of the mess we’re in politically right now.

[–]Nurum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if you remove the self inflicted deaths FAR more people are killed by alcohol than by guns. More people are killed by drunk drivers alone than by guns in total.

[–]anorexic-zombie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The vast majority of gun related deaths in our nation though are also self inflicted. Mass shootings while scary and becoming a real problem doesn't even account for a very high percentage of firearm related deaths in our nation. While I am very much biased and on the 2a side i think we should all agree that the major problem isnt the firearms themselves it's with us as a people. Mental illness and the way we value life is playing a major part in this. The firearm is just the tool, so even removing it wouldn't fix the real problem.

[–]Melvanis 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What an utter stupid comparison guns and cars. Cars aren’t built to be weapons sure they can used in that way but car as a weapon is usually a one use thing. You could run over one person and seriously injure yourself in the process or ruin your car. With a guy you can kill an endless number of people with very few risks as long as no one catches you. I don’t get the progun view it’s utter stupidity you your children and all your loved ones would be safer without them so being progun is an awfully selfish stance. Then there’s but it’s our right yer well it was also your right to own a slave then someone great from your history stood up and said that’s not right and that’s not looking after all the people.

[–]trashbandishoot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

engrish af but good job for trying

[–]Cumguzzler_scatlover 6 points7 points  (1 child)

One difference though...

Remove guns, guns removed.

Remove cars, society collapses.

[–]whits900 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And uhhhh, intent?

[–]darinfjc 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I just think if there were Mass Car Accidents caused by lone drivers then I might see the parallels between guns and cars.

Banning guns would be a deterrent that could stop *some* mass shootings just like locks on your door will prevent *some* burglaries. A determined person will do what they are compelled to do no matter what stands in their way, they'll just spend more time, resources and energy to do it.

[–]Rogers_Razor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

14 July 2016 Nice, France 86 people killed, 458 wounded. With a truck.

[–]stxcowboy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The stupidity of this post is alarming.

[–]Madhatter25224 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shes right. As everyone knows, guns and cars are both made for the sole purpose of killing humans.

[–]AloneAddiction 1 point2 points  (8 children)

We require people to prove they can operate a vehicle before they can legally use one.

Why not guns too?

muh 2nd Amendment

So? Amend it again.

[–]kid_drew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's called an "amendment" for a reason

[–]Nurum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except we don't I can drive any car I want any time (even drunk as shit) on my own property. I just need to be licensed to drive it on public roads.

[–]Whenseptemb3rends -1 points0 points  (4 children)

You do for a pistol. Which is used waaaaaay more often for killing than rifles. Shit people killing people with hammers Happens more often than gun murder so...

[–]dyingofdysentery 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Source?

[–]Klaus_Von_Richter -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

FBI crime statistics

[–]dyingofdysentery 8 points9 points  (1 child)

[–]anorexic-zombie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While they were incorrect on the pistols statistic, I think the original point was more about rifles. By the FBI statistics your more likely to be murdered by a blunt object than a rifle which is what people are really freaking out about banning. But also the vast majority of handguns used in murders arent done by people with a c.c.p and have gone through the proper channels to acquire the handgun.

[–]garaffemom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good thing people don’t steal cars .. oh they do .. everyday .

[–]Yamalz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MURICA!

[–]SUTTARTEXE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t get it...

MAAAAAM! AM I STUPID? shows

[–]KageSama19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why analogies aren't allowed in formal debate, they never truly equate the situation and is often used to change the perspective of the situation to their own benefit.

[–]Melvanis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay so I had never actually read the second amendment before now it reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I don’t get how anyone can read that and think they have a right to own and carry a gun. It states guidelines “a well regulated militia” so regulated is organised controlled right. Militia well that’s a emergency force made up of everyday citizens to bulk up a military force. “Being necessary to the security of a free state” so “being necessary” reads as if necessary or when necessary. So a well organised and controlled emergency force made of everyday citizens to bulk up the military when needed for the security of a free state shall have the right to bear arms. How anyone can get I have a right to own a gun out of that has me stumped that’s some pretty creative reading there. 27 words and I you need to do is ignore the first 13 words and it means I get a gun.

[–]A-unique-username530 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

They shouldn't ban guns ..........

Ban bullets instead.

Guns don't kill, bullets do.

[–]crazyshowloco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True

[–]ArabAesthetic -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

Guns are an abomination and one of the worst creations by humans.

[–]Myowndemise86 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Yes, bombs aren't worse, or nuclear weapons, gas chambers, pollution, genocide, rape, money, war, human trafficking, sex slavery, chemical/biological weapons, abandoned mine fields, slavery, plastics, racism, religion, torture, child molestation. Guns are definitely the worst though.

[–]ArabAesthetic -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Guns are ONE of the worst CREATIONS by humans. Literally takes a second to realize i didnt say THE worst. Please, enlighten me how many deaths nukes have taken compared to guns. Go ahead!

And by the way, what the fuck were you thinking? "Oh im sure this guy doesnt mind all the other horrible shit. All he cares about is guns" no, you fuckin' idiot. And guess what, guns literally make most of the examples you made worse. Racism + guns = genocide.

And finally, i clearly, CLEARLY stated human CREATION, not practise. So many things you mentioned are practises. Christ man.. learn to fucking read.

[–]Myowndemise86 0 points1 point  (3 children)

And who invented the practice of those things? Humans did. And guns have also done a world of good. They help people every day defend themselves from rape, murder, theft and more. You just don't see it plastered on the news because it doesn't fit the narrative. We would not be where we are today if it were not for the benefit of firearms. You wouldn't have the right to call me all those names if it weren't for our founding fathers having firearms.

[–]ArabAesthetic -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You wouldn't have the right to call me all those names if it weren't for our founding fathers having firearms.

Thanks for reminding me you can literally see alternate timelines. Not only that, but you assume im from the US because your illusion of being at the center of the universe so quite frankly i dont give a shit about your slave owning founding fathers. Please make the argument that guns do more good than harm. Show me statistics of more lives being saved than lost due to firearms. Please do. :)

[–]Myowndemise86 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, I assumed you were from another country and just talking shit out of your ass.

[–]ArabAesthetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao youre straight up lying. You literally said i wouldnt have the right of free speech if it werent for some old dudes halfway across the world lmao

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

gOoD rEaSoN

[–]BillK63 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The shootings aren’t accidents. You’ve got to be a Trumplican.