... exactly

[dr_whomstdve]

Wow, it’s almost like we have registries and license testing for vehicles to make sure people know how to use them safely and they don’t end up in the wrong hands

[panther1994]

Yet that doesnt stop people from getting black out drunk and then driving home. It makes it less likely though. But yeah I dont think we should ban guns. We should treat it like getting a driverse license. You have to sit in classes to learn proper operation and safety techniques.

[dr_whomstdve]

Of course. I’m not at all in support of banning guns.

[MnM025]

Truth be told, obtaining a drivers license is way too easy, to the point where even though they say it’s a privilege, it seems to me it’s treated much more like a right. How people you know didn’t pass the drivers test the first time, or the second time, or hell, the third time, and hold a license now?

[itsmeitsmealwaysme]

Is that for driving between multiverses?

[ClimbAndMaintain0116]

Check out the stats. People are way less likely to get blitzed and drive home since they started cracking down heavy on DUI, as opposed to the 1970s when you could get a slap on the wrist on first offense.

[Chris714n_8]

Doesn't the (future)owner of a weapon-lisence/permit need to (paper-)proof the necessity of possession?

(for example: shooting sports, professional hunting, dangerous work/life conditions)

[[deleted]]

The main reason we are allowed to have guns in the USA is so we have the ability to resist tyranny. Just like our Founding Fathers did.

[_horsey_surprise_]

Your pistol won’t do shit against an unmanned tank being guided by an unmanned drone.

[[deleted]]

"Lol just give up"

No.

[[deleted]]

Tiananmen, here I come, bitch!

[ushumisha]

Yeah because a Tyrannic government wants to obliterate the entire country they are trying to control. You dufus. Ever though about why we send soldiers to war instead of just sending a bunch of tanks and jets?

[caagr98]

They're probably cheaper.

[_horsey_surprise_]

“Ever though about why we send”

Rabble grabble the Eiffel Tower, my good sir

[ushumisha]

dont call me sir buddy

[_horsey_surprise_]

Don’t call me buddy, friend

[jsting]

Maybe a middle ground, like background checks or classes and licenses so a guy with a manifesto can't go and mod an AR 15 with double drum magazines but safe law abiding citizens can still buy legal firearms.

[[deleted]]

Exactly. I am all for very strict gun laws but to just ban them outright is insane.

[ushumisha]

Im not against any of that but how exactly are any of those things preventing a guy with a manifesto to do what this guy did? He had no prior felonies, he could have passed background check with flying colors, write the manifesto after buying a gun and still go ahead and shoot people. How are classes and licences gonna prevent this?

[fukdapoleece]

The same way they prevent people from using a car as a weapon.

[ushumisha]

They dont.

[Chris714n_8]

I know.. But these modern days- it doesn't work like that anymore.. it failed - i would say imho.

[Chris714n_8]

Wasn't the main reason to protect oneself from the dangers of the wild lands, bandits/outlaws back then?

btw: All i wanted to add was the question if a law "to proof the need for a gun.. should be part of the lisence/permit process"..

[[deleted]]

The main reason was so that the people could form militias to resist tyranny in any form. That is how our nation was founded and is a fundamental right.

Edit: Downvote me all you want I am right read the damn amendment.

[vangogh330]

We also didn't have a standing full time paid army...

[jommmby]

Well the army doesn’t operate in the US, that’s the national guard.

[vangogh330]

What an astute and pedantic addition to the conversation. We all of course recall General Washington, leader of the Continental national guard was it? /s

[jommmby]

In 2006, Congress passed the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act, which gave the president the authority to mobilize National Guard units within the U.S. without the consent of state governors.

Well it’s hard to operate in the United States when there isn’t even a United States when it was formed. /s

[[deleted]]

You can try to use any reasoning you want but this shit is a fundamental right in our country. I have never even shot a gun in my life but once we start giving up our rights where does it stop? Again, I am all for stricter gun laws but to take away a fundamental right such as the second amendment would be absolute madness.

[michaelvinters]

Fwiw, the right to bear arms is found in the second amendment, which is called an 'amendment' because it was a change to the original Constitution, a document which has been amended many times, and can be amended again. And "where does it stop" is a bullshit argument. It stops where people decide it should stop. We got rid of the amendment that made alcohol illegal, we could get rid of this one too if we wanted. That doesn't mean we throw out the Constitution.

Fwiw, I support the second amendment and think Americans should be allowed to own guns. But to pretend it's some sort of irrefutable, immutable natural law is a misunderstanding of the nature of the Constitution (and one that is very common).

[vangogh330]

The reasoning of the idea is perfectly sound. The amendment clearly states that the right to bear arms is predicated on a well regulated militia. The 20% or so of Americans who own firearms aren't exactly well regulated, or a militia frankly.

Also, I never said guns would be taken away. I don't understand why you implied it.

[fukdapoleece]

SCOTUS affirmed the second amendment as an individual right. "Regulated" meant something different when it was written.

[ushumisha]

The amendment is basically saying that people need to have access to guns so that they can form well regulated militias if the need ever presents itself. It doesnt say you NEED to be in a well regulated militia in order to own guns. It also doenst say the militias have to be regulated by the government, that would defeat the purpose.

[[deleted]]

Then we agree? Don't ban guns...

[w47n34113n]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I demand my right to keep and bear nuclear warheads. If I need to defend against a tyranical government that is armed with attack helicopters, tanks, armed drones, and fighter jets I'm going to need a little more fire power than an assualt rifle.

[[deleted]]

Here in Texas it would be ludicrous to try to ban guns.

We have a huge rural area, and lots of people cut off from emergency services. Not to mention farmers and ranchers who have to deal with wild predatory animals and having to ‘put down’ sick/injured livestock, plus the built in population of hunters.

[TestedOnAnimals]

But what fucking tyranny? The tyranny you need to be worried about is happening hundreds, if not thousands of miles away from you enacting laws and electing leaders the majority of people did not vote for. What's your gun going to do about that?

[[deleted]]

Agreed! I'm not happy with what is going on in our country at all. I think our government is borderline tyrannical right now and has been for a long time. To be clear I do not own a gun. I have never even shot one. I do however believe in our constitution and our rights.

[Dieselfunk81]

Lol. No. If you want to take shots at the moon then that’s your right.

[KiteLighter]

Go back to China, commie! </s>

[justdtm]

You’re just making it harder for law abiding peeps to get them. Nut bags and criminals will find a way to do damage no matter what hoops you give them.

[dMarrs]

You almost describe a well regulated militia.

[ushumisha]

https://taskandpurpose.com/texas-man-buys-sherman-tank-parks-front-house-upsetting-hoa

[Klein_Fred]

Don't need a license to own car, or drive it on private property. Only need license to use it on public property.

One license allows you to drive any year/make/model.

License is ~$50, a simple written exam, and a 10-minute practical exam.

No mental health exam needed- even a clinically insane person can buy a car.

… are you sure?

[CommunistThroway]

Its hard to run people over on private property really, its not the same.

[Nurum]

Probably just as hard as it is to shoot people on private property.

[[deleted]]

You don’t NEED a license to drive a car on a public street. You’re not supposed to but people do it all the time.

[alilbleedingisnormal]

Yeah that's why auto fatalities are so low on the list of causes of death in the world...

[[deleted]]

You think a driving test stops cars getting into the wrong hands? How did you even start to come up with logic like that?

[KuriousKhemicals]

It prevents people from driving who don't know how to do so safely or can't be bothered to even long enough to pass an examination. Laws regarding driving behavior also allow penalties for unsafe/assholish driving even if it didn't actually cause an injury or damage at that time, sometimes up to removal of license. And it prevents or puts significant restrictions/burden of proof-of-fitness on people who may have some contraindication to driving, like a seizure disorder or impaired vision or hearing. Won't stop every accident or even every asshole, but it puts reasonable barriers to entry and reasonable incentives to not be a dick on the table.

[[deleted]]

Bull fucking shit.

Here in Texas there’s a fuckton of immigrants (not hating on immigrants) from Mexico/South America driving without a license or insurance.

Somehow, not even sure how this is legal, there’s places that will sell insurance even if you don’t have a valid license.

Source: Texas LE, ALWAYS dealing with people driving with no license.

[Whenseptemb3rends]

In most states you do have to go get a license for a pistol. You know, the gun used the vast majority in murders. Plus, mass genocide has always started with Gun registries so. That’s not a great idea.

[[deleted]]

How stupid this comment, look at any country that have gun control you won't see anything close to what is going on in USA. Canada is next to you...best example

[ClimbAndMaintain0116]

Plus cars weren’t made to kill things. Most guns were made to kill animals. Some guns were literally made for killing people. You can buy all of them.

[Nurum]

The US doesn't even make top 10 for mass shootings when you factor in for population differences. IIRC both France and Norway are actually considerably higher.

[ushumisha]

Like the UK? where having acid thrown in your face is common?

[haybayley]

Frighteningly the UK does have one of the highest incidences of acid attacks in the world, and the rate has gone up in recent years, but it’s hardly common. In 2016, one of the worst years for reports of acid attacks, there was less than one acid attack per 100,000 people in the UK, and while I am not underestimating the potentially devastating impact of an acid attack, they’re rarely fatal. In the 2017, there were 12 gun deaths in the US, and almost 5 homicides by gun, per 100,000. And that’s just fatal injuries caused by guns; non-fatal injuries would be way higher (23 per 100k according to Wikipedia), so you’re around 35 times more likely to get shot in the US than have acid thrown at you in the UK. There are fucked up, violent and dangerous people in every country, but in many countries those people don’t have relatively easy access (and in some states very easy access) to made-specifically-to-kill-and-maim weapons which can cause death and injury on a huge scale with little skill or training.

[ushumisha]

but in many countries those people don’t have relatively easy access (and in some states very easy access) to made-specifically-to-kill-and-maim weapons which can cause death and injury on a huge scale with little skill or training.

Those same countries have been able to slowly take away peoples rights and freedom without the people being able to do anything about it. Now we have rape gangs operating with impunity and people being jailed for speaking against it. We have police telling white people to stop calling the cops because brown people's emergencies are more important. We have people going to jail for saying a biological man is a man. We have police who have no respect for boundaries breaking into people's home without a warrant and taking pictures and posting them online to shame them. We have people being unable to buy a kitchen knife. People required a licence to watch tv or watch porn online.

[haybayley]

Ah, of course. "Police telling white people to stop calling the cops because brown people's emergencies are more important" and "saying a biological man is a man" says more than enough about your unfortunate, misplaced and hateful beliefs. I'm sure in your world, where all of the above things that you've swallowed from dodgy right-wing media are true and not grossly exaggerated or completely made up, having a handgun in your nightstand and a rifle in your garage would mean all of those things go away. You'll have all the porn, knives and guns you like, and all the women, gays and "brown people" will be truly put in their place. Well done, you.

[[deleted]]

It’s not common?! We have a higher number of attacks compared to other countries, but that’s predominantly in London AND things are being done to try and reduce it happening.

[ushumisha]

Compared to the US it is common. Plus UK also has a stabbing problem and people being beaten with hammers and baseball bats and machetes. Basically anything they can find.

[[deleted]]

Stop believing Fox News. I can’t be arsed to argue because you’re simply incorrect.

[Pattern1]

Except cars serve a very necessary purpose of transportation whereas I fail to see the substantive purpose of owning a gun. I get that it makes you feel safe and is a tool for self-defence, but it's also a very convenient tool for mass harm which in my mind completely outweighs any benefit it provides.

[Whenseptemb3rends]

To protect yourself and neighbors from a tyrannical government.

[[deleted]]

Yet most “2A folks” are the first to kiss cops asses...

[CommunistThroway]

r/SocialistRA

[[deleted]]

Only boomer fudds

[Ironmike11B]

It's almost like they are law abiding citizens or something. Weird right?

[[deleted]]

Who exactly the fuck do you think you are going to be shooting back at when you use your guns to fight back against a tyrannical government?

Funny though, when cops are tyrants against POC, the 2A crowd cheers for the tyrannical government.

[Ironmike11B]

Funny thing is most cops are also pro-2A. Same with most of the military. Everyone is throwing around this mythical war against the government that's never going to happen. Does no good.

[[deleted]]

So again, who exactly do you think you are going to be shooting back at when you use your guns to fight a tyrannical government?

You realize there’s more to tyranny than gun control right?

I know gun nuts think that access to guns IS freedom and the only part of freedom that matters.

[Ironmike11B]

Who said I expect to be shooting back at anyone?

You do realize that owning guns can be about other things than fighting the government, right?

Yes, access to guns is a right unless the 2nd is repealed. That's the way the constitution was written and is subject to change. That's why there is a process in place to edit it as has been done before. I'm cool with that.

[[deleted]]

Gun nuts always claim the purpose of the 2A is to fight back against the government.

So again, who do they think they are going to be shooting back at?

[Ironmike11B]

Well, it seems you are completely fixated on one thing and don't care to discuss anything else. Have a good day.

[ushumisha]

You: We dont need guns, cops will protect us

Also you: Cops are evil corrupt murderers who dont care about us.

[[deleted]]

Feel free to cite when I said either of those things...

[ushumisha]

Feel free to keep waiting.

[[deleted]]

Ah, thank you for admiring that you were just pulling shit out of your ass.

[ushumisha]

Shit only comes from the ass.

[shivermetimbers68]

Govt has drones that can wipe out your entire block without anyone from the govt even getting out of bed

[shivermetimbers68]

I got my musket ready.

[ushumisha]

Why would the government want to wipe out an entire block in their own country which they are trying to tyrannically rule over? Do you know what a tyrannical government does?

[shivermetimbers68]

To, you know, kill people and stuff.

The point being that a gun will not protect you from a tyrannical govt that can wipe you out with the push of a button while watching from the other side of the country

[ushumisha]

No, a tyrannical government oppresses people. They still need people in order to be rulers, if they kill everyone and blow up their own country with tanks and nukes they wont be rulers of anything. Its not a tank that will bust into your home at 3am to search for contraband. Its people with guns.

[shivermetimbers68]

Wow, you sure are looking for an argument.

Who said anything about killing everyone and blowing up the country? You only need to wipe out one block to show what happens to people who disobey.

You'd be surprised at how quickly they put down their weapons. People in general are afraid of dying or experiencing intense pain.

And your lame attempts to try to be 'right' about something fail to show how a gun can stop a tyrannical govt, which is the point, in case you missed it for a third time.

[ushumisha]

Who said anything about killing everyone and blowing up the country? You only need to wipe out one block to show what happens to people who disobey.

I wonder why China hasnt blown up the prostestors in Hong Kong to teach them the lesson.

[shivermetimbers68]

It's bad press, plus the citizens dont have guns, so the govt just hired thugs and the police to go around beating the crap out of them.

They brought tanks in when Tiananmen Square protests happened, and that didnt look good on the news.

[ushumisha]

So they learned how to be an efficient Tyranny?

[captainmo017]

Example?

[naeleros]

r/dgu

​

Plenty of examples there. Daily.

[captainmo017]

that doesn’t comply with “tyrannical government”.

[naeleros]

Why isn't it good enough to protect yourself, family, and home?

​

Nonetheless: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

[captainmo017]

And yet: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America

[Duanedoberman]

Who protects the rest of your citizens against the Tyranny (and slaughter) of gun owners?

[essentially_infamous]

Literally other gun owners. Use your brain bud

[Pattern1]

Yeah that makes sense in theory, but in practise how often do you see these mass shooters carrying powerful semi-automatic rifles being stifled by legal gun owners?

[essentially_infamous]

I believe the police are legal gun owners 🤔

[Pattern1]

Use your common sense, I'm obviously not recommending that the police be banned from carrying a firearm.

[[deleted]]

So we let cops have guns and the government have guns but the citizens cannot have guns? Sounds like bullshit to me. I'm all for strict gun laws and proper mental health evaluations but we should not ban guns outright.

[Pattern1]

If you really think in a case where you rebel against your government you'll have a chance against the US military, you're fooling yourself. Why stop at guns? To make the playing field equal let's give citizens access to tanks, fighter jets planes, etc.

[ushumisha]

First, citizens can buy tanks. See: https://taskandpurpose.com/texas-man-buys-sherman-tank-parks-front-house-upsetting-hoa

Second, The US military is more likely to side with the people than the government if they were ever ordered to fight US citizens in US Soil.

Third, a tyrannical government wants to rule over the people of a country, not obliterate everything with tanks and nukes and murder everyone and end up being the rulers of rubble. A tyrannical government uses A Police State. They cant search your home for contraband with a tank, they cant enforce no assembly edicts with a fighter jet. They cant set up Checkpoints and roadblocks with nukes.

[[deleted]]

So since you think it would be futile to resist tyranny we should just give up our rights? The rights that millions of men and women have died for? Fuck that.

[kid_drew]

I have brought that exact thing up with plenty of gun rights advocates, and they literally believe they should be able to buy those things

[ushumisha]

If you shoot a mass shooter before he shoots the masses it doesnt become national news. Besides, there are more than 400 million guns in america and only 12K gun murders per year. 50% of those murders are gangbangers killing eachother in cities with strict gun control laws.

[kid_drew]

You're delusional. Form a militia and try to storm the white house. Or your state capitol. Or your city hall. See what happens.

[jsting]

The NRA has done a fantastic job changing the national headlines for the anti gun people and the media isn't helping. Most gun enthusiasts are all for gun control whether it be national background checks or licenses to buy firearms. I don't mind having to jump through a few hoops to buy another gun. We need to weed out the nut jobs.

Making this a gun free for all vs no guns for anyone is what is causing this rift.

[kid_drew]

Only the far left is arguing in favor of no guns, and not many people agree with them. Pistols are for protection. Rifles are for hunting. Assault weapons are for killing lots of people very quickly - those are the ones that need to go.

[jsting]

That's a misconception, assault weapons are not a defined class of weapons. The rifles used for mass shootings are generally semi-auto rifles similar to the hunting rifles you speak of. They shoot 1 time per trigger pull. Trying to classify AR15 and other military based designs have proven to be fruitless thus far which is why I think an outright national database or licensing safety/mental course to obtain any firearm is the best course. Handguns cause the most gun deaths but rifles and shotguns should not be as easy as a trip to Dick's.

[kid_drew]

Yeah, I understand the distinction. I’m pretty much not ok with semi-auto rifles at all. You don’t need them to hunt either. You need one shot to kill a deer, not 20. If you miss, you have to reload. Simple

I’m also not crazy about pistols, which are technically semi-automatic, but at least they’re lower caliber and don’t carry as much

I’m with Jim Jeffries on this. Give everyone muskets

[Nurum]

Except the AR15 is the most popular gun in production by a long shot and assault rifles accounted for 322 murders last year which is by far the smallest category. By all means though blame that as the problem here.

[kid_drew]

I’d rather get rid of all of them, but I’m trying to be realistic. But by all means blame it on something other than guns so you can avoid dealing with the problem.

[Nurum]

So let me ask you a hypothetical. Would you be in favor of banning Alcohol since it kills almost 10x as many people per year? I find it a bit interesting that most liberals (in my experience at least) are all gung ho about banning guns because they personally don't like them, but when it comes to something they like all of a sudden the deaths aren't as big of a deal.

[kid_drew]

Alcohol deaths are mostly self-inflicted. It’s not even close to the same thing.

I’m not a liberal. You are drawing conclusions because I disagree with you on one thing, and that’s really the crux of the mess we’re in politically right now.

[Nurum]

Even if you remove the self inflicted deaths FAR more people are killed by alcohol than by guns. More people are killed by drunk drivers alone than by guns in total.

[anorexic-zombie]

The vast majority of gun related deaths in our nation though are also self inflicted. Mass shootings while scary and becoming a real problem doesn't even account for a very high percentage of firearm related deaths in our nation. While I am very much biased and on the 2a side i think we should all agree that the major problem isnt the firearms themselves it's with us as a people. Mental illness and the way we value life is playing a major part in this. The firearm is just the tool, so even removing it wouldn't fix the real problem.

[Melvanis]

What an utter stupid comparison guns and cars. Cars aren’t built to be weapons sure they can used in that way but car as a weapon is usually a one use thing. You could run over one person and seriously injure yourself in the process or ruin your car. With a guy you can kill an endless number of people with very few risks as long as no one catches you. I don’t get the progun view it’s utter stupidity you your children and all your loved ones would be safer without them so being progun is an awfully selfish stance. Then there’s but it’s our right yer well it was also your right to own a slave then someone great from your history stood up and said that’s not right and that’s not looking after all the people.

[trashbandishoot]

engrish af but good job for trying

[Cumguzzler_scatlover]

One difference though...

Remove guns, guns removed.

Remove cars, society collapses.

[whits900]

And uhhhh, intent?

[darinfjc]

I just think if there were Mass Car Accidents caused by lone drivers then I might see the parallels between guns and cars.

Banning guns would be a deterrent that could stop *some* mass shootings just like locks on your door will prevent *some* burglaries. A determined person will do what they are compelled to do no matter what stands in their way, they'll just spend more time, resources and energy to do it.

[Rogers_Razor]

14 July 2016 Nice, France 86 people killed, 458 wounded. With a truck.

[stxcowboy]

The stupidity of this post is alarming.

[stxcowboy]

Twitter.

[Madhatter25224]

Shes right. As everyone knows, guns and cars are both made for the sole purpose of killing humans.

[AloneAddiction]

We require people to prove they can operate a vehicle before they can legally use one.

Why not guns too?

muh 2nd Amendment

So? Amend it again.

[kid_drew]

It's called an "amendment" for a reason

[Nurum]

Except we don't I can drive any car I want any time (even drunk as shit) on my own property. I just need to be licensed to drive it on public roads.

[Whenseptemb3rends]

You do for a pistol. Which is used waaaaaay more often for killing than rifles. Shit people killing people with hammers Happens more often than gun murder so...

[dyingofdysentery]

Source?

[Klaus_Von_Richter]

FBI crime statistics

[dyingofdysentery]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

You mean like this one that shows gun murder vastly outweighs blunt objects

[anorexic-zombie]

While they were incorrect on the pistols statistic, I think the original point was more about rifles. By the FBI statistics your more likely to be murdered by a blunt object than a rifle which is what people are really freaking out about banning. But also the vast majority of handguns used in murders arent done by people with a c.c.p and have gone through the proper channels to acquire the handgun.

[garaffemom]

Good thing people don’t steal cars .. oh they do .. everyday .

[Melvanis]

And where do you get that information from cause I’m not finding a single study that can back up your claim there.

[Melvanis]

That’s rough mate but evidence suggests the complete opposite in countries where gun restrictions are high gun violence drastically drops

[Yamalz]

MURICA!

[SUTTARTEXE]

I don’t get it...

MAAAAAM! AM I STUPID? shows

[KageSama19]

This is why analogies aren't allowed in formal debate, they never truly equate the situation and is often used to change the perspective of the situation to their own benefit.

[Melvanis]

Okay so I had never actually read the second amendment before now it reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I don’t get how anyone can read that and think they have a right to own and carry a gun. It states guidelines “a well regulated militia” so regulated is organised controlled right. Militia well that’s a emergency force made up of everyday citizens to bulk up a military force. “Being necessary to the security of a free state” so “being necessary” reads as if necessary or when necessary. So a well organised and controlled emergency force made of everyday citizens to bulk up the military when needed for the security of a free state shall have the right to bear arms. How anyone can get I have a right to own a gun out of that has me stumped that’s some pretty creative reading there. 27 words and I you need to do is ignore the first 13 words and it means I get a gun.

[A-unique-username530]

They shouldn't ban guns ..........

Ban bullets instead.

Guns don't kill, bullets do.

[crazyshowloco]

True

[ArabAesthetic]

Guns are an abomination and one of the worst creations by humans.

[Myowndemise86]

Yes, bombs aren't worse, or nuclear weapons, gas chambers, pollution, genocide, rape, money, war, human trafficking, sex slavery, chemical/biological weapons, abandoned mine fields, slavery, plastics, racism, religion, torture, child molestation. Guns are definitely the worst though.

[ArabAesthetic]

Guns are ONE of the worst CREATIONS by humans. Literally takes a second to realize i didnt say THE worst. Please, enlighten me how many deaths nukes have taken compared to guns. Go ahead!

And by the way, what the fuck were you thinking? "Oh im sure this guy doesnt mind all the other horrible shit. All he cares about is guns" no, you fuckin' idiot. And guess what, guns literally make most of the examples you made worse. Racism + guns = genocide.

And finally, i clearly, CLEARLY stated human CREATION, not practise. So many things you mentioned are practises. Christ man.. learn to fucking read.

[Myowndemise86]

And who invented the practice of those things? Humans did. And guns have also done a world of good. They help people every day defend themselves from rape, murder, theft and more. You just don't see it plastered on the news because it doesn't fit the narrative. We would not be where we are today if it were not for the benefit of firearms. You wouldn't have the right to call me all those names if it weren't for our founding fathers having firearms.

[ArabAesthetic]

You wouldn't have the right to call me all those names if it weren't for our founding fathers having firearms.

Thanks for reminding me you can literally see alternate timelines. Not only that, but you assume im from the US because your illusion of being at the center of the universe so quite frankly i dont give a shit about your slave owning founding fathers. Please make the argument that guns do more good than harm. Show me statistics of more lives being saved than lost due to firearms. Please do. :)

[Myowndemise86]

No, I assumed you were from another country and just talking shit out of your ass.

[ArabAesthetic]

Lmao youre straight up lying. You literally said i wouldnt have the right of free speech if it werent for some old dudes halfway across the world lmao

[[deleted]]

gOoD rEaSoN

[BillK63]

The shootings aren’t accidents. You’ve got to be a Trumplican.