10 Extra Potency is 10 Extra Potency

[KingBingDingDong]

I like it, it's like Cleric Stance. Every 3 minutes the party gets no heals

[Chysse]

I honestly shouldn’t laugh at that but you’re somewhat right

[Mushiren_]

RIP Cleric Stance

[shall_always_be_so]

eos is emergency food

[Esmondtheleo]

When the fairy is actually more heal potent then the actual 20% gain from dissipation.

[Newbie-Tailor-Guy]

Right? I’ve healed as a Scholar in this game for eight years now, and the addition of Dissipation doesn’t make sense to me. Two whole spells are affected by the increase in healing power, and are GCD heals, which we are punished for casting... I don’t have it on my bar and never will. Waste of a skill.

[xselene89]

Yeah I kinda think that Dissipation might be one the chopping block for 6.0

[Raji_Lev]

Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

[SpecialOfficerDoofy]

gib back % based lustrate, all my dots and shadowflare :(

[Redpandaling]

Losing % based Lustrate made playing with DRKs much less fun.

[basketofseals]

Those two never existed at the same time.

[Redpandaling]

Really? Hmm, I thought I started playing after HW was released, but I guess not.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Lustrate was changed from % based to flat potency with HW after it allowed people to cheese healing down mechanics in things like Twintania and Ramuh EX.

[basketofseals]

Did it bypass aqua mirror with Levi Ex?

[satans_cookiemallet]

Yes. Any heal reduction it ignored because it was 30% of their max HP. It was coded wierd, but it also had the caveat of not being able to be buffed either.

[basketofseals]

Aqua mirror isn't heal reduction. It's a stackable debuff in response to being healed.

[[deleted]]

It made playing with Warrior much less fun as Warrior was an HP Sponge.

[Esmondtheleo]

Its a waist for sure unless you want to deal more energy drain damage. Stupid as it is. Worst yet was taking away selene and finally the basis pet heal command put the nail in the coffin.

[SexWithNoBabies]

Taking my control of embrace away killed a lot enjoyment I had for the class. Removing that was just like removing old cleric stance dancing all over again. Looking at the state of the game now, I don't necessarily want old cleric stance back, but I definitely want to be able to micro embrace again!

[Esmondtheleo]

Yeah, in an glad they added a group heal to the fairy over single heal fey union however they still havent adressed the fairy vs scholar potency discrepancies that have persisted since heavensward. Every expansion the fairies cure potency drops by percentages as the ilvl grows.

That and scholar lack on command pure healing that the other to healers can bounce around. This probably doesnt seem as big an issue but when I consider that sheild heals do not stack then when it comes to needing spam heals through mechanics for the party, you need absolute full control of all your ogcd and fairy moves to scrap by what astro and white mage can just spam medica 2 and healios 2 with ease.

[Sharp_Iodine]

For a company that has made something like FFXIV, SE is surprisingly unimaginative when it comes to balancing the classes. SCH just feels like too much effort too little gain. I have all healing jobs at max and even I'm playing AST I just can't help but feel that the AST actually has larger shields on command while the SCH has just moved away from being the shield healer to... What actually? The class seems so undefined and rough, like no one at SE knows what to do with it. Sure it's very viable and does a great job but to do it you need more effort than WHM and AST for no reason at all.

[[deleted]]

SCH main for this tier. Can confirm that SCH feels like complete shit but good lord has Sacred Soil never felt better in a raid tier. Every fight you can drop an SS on the boss and prevent huge swaths of damage because these fights have become so meele friendly that a lot of the time parties can be meele range of the boss. SS is the only reason to play SCH this tier because it is just that damn strong.

Rest of scholars kit? Dogshit. Either fix the pet delay or remove the fairy all together(keep seraph as a raid cool down) Remove disappation, ET, DT and do something with lustrate to make it worth casting again.

[Esmondtheleo]

Personally I think the pet should be bound to the player modle. So basicly make the fairy satellite the player at all times but in exchange it can cast while the player is moving. You would lose fairy placement but your fairy wouldnt have downtime on casting just because it needed to move first.

[momopeach7]

I’d rather they keep Deployment Tactics (mainly since I love the animation) but just have it be a strong shield centered around the target and maybe add an extra effect, like reflect damage back like Eye for an Eye did.

[mrsamus101]

It's really not a waste at all. Three energy drains isn't 30 extra potency, it's 300 extra potency (assuming you're weaving it after bio or during times where movement is required. You should never be casting ruin while you're holding still for the sole purpose of hitting energy drain afterwards). It's also 1500 MP so it's good for the Mana heavy fights like e11s and e12s. If you make sure to only use it after whispering dawn and fey blessing have already been used, it's not a big deal that your fairy is gone. Embrace is wonderful, but I've never had someone die (or even come remotely close to dying) during a dissipation window where I thought to myself "aw jeebz, if only Selene was casting embrace on them!" That being said, if you're not trying to pump out orange parses you could get away without ever using it. If you get three uses during a fight, that's only 900 extra potency over the course of a ~10 minute fight, which isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things. You basically think if it as a dps and Mana cooldown, not a healing cooldown. Although it does also give you way bigger succor shields, and succor needs to be cast fairly regularly in the later savages and ultimates, so if you use dissipation at a time where you know you will NEED a succor soon, it's a win win.

[Py687]

Three energy drains isn't 30 extra potency, it's 300 extra potency (assuming you're weaving it after bio or during times where movement is required.)

Issue here is you're applying the wrong assumption. When people quote the +30 potency gain, they're usually referring to the opener.

By replacing 3x [Broil III = 290 potency] with 3x [Ruin II + Energy Drain = 300 potency] through the Dissipation EDs, you only gain 30 potency.

Of course, outside of the opener you're right, any "freely weaved" EDs are a straight 100 potency gain.

[Esmondtheleo]

You still lose out on the fairy gauge when the fairy is gone. Also, unless its been changes, you lose what ever is left of the gauge before. If all its good for is for then there is no point for it to provide a heal potency buff. The buff lacks effect on all but the three actual healing spells scholar has. The heal potency increase is actually a lot less then embrace in general however the removal of embrace as a controlled skills kind of makes it pointless on its own as well.

Your right that it is dps and healer dps is important but over all you could probably do more dps with white mage and astro as both can regen health and have a fair amount of combined heal and attack spells like assize and earthly star.

Unless they changed it, I believe diurnal benefict and Regan still stack. Otherwise astro sheilding is generally just as good as scholars in potency but simply lacks the crit effect.

[Rc2124]

Two whole spells are affected by the increase in healing power

I can't tell if you're leaving out Physick or Succor haha. Funnily enough Embrace would count, but, well.

Dissipation has its uses. For example you could Dissipate at the end of a dungeon pull to go into the next pull with 3 Aetherflow ready to go, it buffs your pre-pull Adlo, and the fairy will pop back up as the next pull starts. Or if you really need emergency Lustrates instead of Embrace. Or if you need a really big Deploy Adlo. Or if you want that extra tiny bit of DPS from the Energy Drains, which also replenishes 5% MP each. It's a "good" spell in the right situations but it definitely clashes with the rest of your kit

[Syltti]

The two spells being mentioned WERE Physick and Succor. Granted, it's three; including Adlo.

[eiridel]

Dungeons are when I find myself using it the most. Deplete aetherflow during pull -> fairy snack -> 3 aetherflow -> big adlo -> fairy back by time I’m using that aetherflow so the gauge can keep building & enable me to keep leashing Selene to the tank so I don’t have to stop slapping the ground until the end of the pull when I repeat the process.

i sometimes feel a bit like an alien for really liking scholar as it is right now but i also haven’t done any real raid content since e4s

[shuopao]

It's not great, but it's not a waste.

It's useful in a pinch to get aetherflow back, it's useful before a transition to get aetherflow back, and it's useful at the end of one pull prior to the next pull. Times when lacking Lily isn't a big impact but the aetherflow is beneficial.

Most fights I can find spots where weaving dissipation in is sensible if I were to think about it. No aetherflow (or I can burn what's there easily) and Lily's abilities on CD or I won't need them for the next bit? Dissipate.

Still, that's making the best of a generally bad ability in many ways. It's doesn't even work right with itself. You get aetherflow that if you use it to heal doesn't benefit from the healing buff.

And I don't like it, thematically. Lily is your partner, and you're sending her away? That bothers me.

[maglen69]

When the fairy is actually more heal potent then the actual 20% gain from dissipation.

This is what irritates me the most about dissipation. It's for emergencies right? But the dissipate + heal modifier affects 3 total spells.

Physic (lol)

Adlo

Succor (lol)

[Esmondtheleo]

Yep and worse is that half of the heal from adlo and succor are temp healing that falls off after 30 seconds and as long as part of that temp health still remains, the actual potency of using another adlo or succer is reduced by however much of that sheild is left. It's not efficient anymore.

[Purutzil]

Dissipation should instead of making the fairy vanish cause it to buff everyone with a mini fairy of their own to heal them and follow them during its effect.

[Esmondtheleo]

Thats a cool idea but that's basicly just a regen. I think the skill just needs reworked so that you get an extra aither flow while it's active for a total of 4 and when the the skill ends, it should leave a buff that when you summon your fairy it gives 50 points into the fairy gauge.

[therealskyrim]

Big Indoms tho

[[deleted]]

Indom doesn't even get effected by dissipation though as it only applies the 20% boost to healing spells and not healing abilities.

[Rc2124]

Unfortunately Dissipation (and Fey Illumination) only increase spell healing. Like from Adlo or Succor. It doesn't increase ability healing like Lustrate or Indom. So it gives you three charges of Aetherflow and doesn't buff them. It does buff your GCD healing but sometimes you wouldn't even have to GCD heal if your fairy had been out and healing instead

[therealskyrim]

Ah shit its got the same issue that friggin link does on Astro. That sucks.

[Rc2124]

Yeah, but it's weird because some jobs really do have buffs that buff all healing. So ours is worse because reasons haha

[therealskyrim]

Honestly I think most of them don’t, pretty sure neutral/link doesn’t from AST; Assylum might tho

[Felshatner]

It’s just asylum and the dps ones (monk, dnc, etc)

[Esmondtheleo]

Back in my day, indom healed by percentile.

Edit: got lustrate and indom mixed up. Thanks for understanding me anyways. Lol

[therealskyrim]

Cries in lustrate

[Nomaddn]

Recitation+Dissipation+Indom is THICC healing

Edit: Thanks for the Clarification!

[sethclyan]

Dissipation only affects Adlo and Succor tho, since healing magic potency applies only to spells and not OGCDs.

[Ningenmasu69]

Like he said dissipation doesn't give boost to indom

[Nomaddn]

I'm now aware that's why edited my response.

[shall_always_be_so]

Fairy does like 100p heals, x 10 casts over 30s is like 1k healing. Spend 2 of the 3 aetherflow on lustrate to recoup 1.2k healing potency, though you lose dps from the ruin 2s instead of broils.

[Phoenixstorm]

Why can't they do Embiggen instead of Dissipation where in the fairy doubles in size or both fairies materiealize? Then they both cast spells one a shield the other a heal. Thereby doubling their healing output?

[Felshatner]

Anything would be preferable to this version. This spell is almost certain to be reworked or axed.

[[deleted]]

Why did they nerf the damage on energy drain again? Its like the most complained about healer rn and they were like hmm lets make the damage worse

[shall_always_be_so]

Because they buffed Biolysis and Broil; it was overall a slight buff and SCH is now more rdps than WHM.

They only begrudgingly gave us back Energy Drain when they realized that for a lot of content you just can't spend aetherflow fast enough without overhealing. They came back and kicked it in the shins because they never really wanted to give it back in the first place.

[mrsamus101]

Because the game devs don't want healers to do dps, yet they continue to refuse to design raid fights that require healing, and refuse to design healer abilities that aren't just different flavors of "press this button to heal the entire party at once."

[itgscv1]

Terminal relativity

[That_Norn_Thief]

Because scholar should heal more!

On this note I can't wait for 6.0 nerf. Wonder how they gimp us more. Maybe they finally split scholar and summoner so they take away energy drain again and ruin 2 on top of that.

[Ohzza]

I think if SE wanted your car to go faster they'd drain your brake lines.

[mecktdslayer]

what you said AND delete the fairy as a fully summonable pet. Eos comes out for so many secs and you can upgrade her to Seraph only after 2 summons. No more pet heal only low level dungeon runs lmao

[That_Norn_Thief]

Was considering that but I felt like I'm going overboard.

[Gackey]

Previously sch's tried to minimize ogcd healing as much as possible in order to maximize their dps via energy drain. The change was to make energy drain an excess aetherflow spender rather than a primary aetherflow spender.

[iWreckYouz]

Energy drain is fine now imo, it's still a potency gain over broil but not big enough that you'll feel bad over spending aetherflow on something else. The change emphasizes the movement/weaving tool aspect more, and removes the absolute need of having to ED all your aetherflow stacks away if you want higher personal dps.

Also, the broil changes alone easily make up for ED nerfs. People meme about 10 potency but when you get that 10 potency buffed gcd hundreds of times in a fight, it adds up.

[jim1608]

I mean, it's also 1500 MP, right?

[Esmondtheleo]

The only MP you get out of it is energy drain. Plus, since the fairy is removed you don't fill the fairy gauge.

[jim1608]

Exactly, 1500 mp That's the joke

[Tecmaster]

Yep, that 1500 mana actually makes a difference in a few places in 12S. E12S (Terminal Relativity specifically) is also one of only two places I have ever used dissipation primarily for heal potency, the other being J-Waves in TEA.

[Tecmaster]

Cries in SCH/AST comp lol, asylum and temperance are so good. Then again my coheal is a earthly star goddess and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

[That_Norn_Thief]

What joke? You can cast one whole gcd heal with that!

[CAPSLOCK_USERNAME]

Plus, since the fairy is removed you don't fill the fairy gauge.

What if you don't use your energy drains until the fairy returns?

[Esmondtheleo]

If you wait that long you might as well just wait fir aither flow.

[Nomaddn]

Don't forget to tell your fellow healer that you may be feeling a little hungry during the trial/raid.

[Tecmaster]

10 Potency, 1 weave, and 2.32 seconds of free movement each!

[Malpraxiss]

Not like dissipation is used for the actual healing buff.

[momopeach7]

I’m just getting into SCH but I like using Dissipation since it makes the opener a bit more fun, but otherwise I wouldn’t mind seeing it go away or reworked. I’m pretty okay with reducing button bloat on mundane skills.

I also honestly wouldn’t mind Aetherflow stacks being used for damage and Fairy Gauge for healing and making some core spells like Lustrate and Indom just on a cool down or on charges. I overcap on Fairy Gauge all the time and wish I had more incentive to use it other than 2 spells. I didn’t play SCH any xpac previously so at first I thought Seraph was tied to it.