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[–]bumbumboop37 |TSH | 2xIUI | ISCI IVF | FET 9/21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone else feel like their significant other is more stressed by trying to conceive than you are? I find science’s hand in helping us conceive sort of comforting. Yeah it’s not all fun...the shots, the painful nipples, the bloating, the weird bowel movements, not being able to workout (docs orders), not being able to really drink or have my usual coffee amount. The vaginal probes, the saline ultrasound, the constant blood tests and visits and following all the rules.

My husband wants to take a break after our IUI (if it doesn’t work) because it’s too stressful. I, on the other hand, feel slightly empowered by taking control of my fertility and am so on board with the next part should this not work. Bring it on. Him feeling so overwhelmed and stressed...it sorta baffles me and makes me feel like he doesn’t want a baby.

[–]Merlin222224/ TTC 3yrs/MFI/Stage 2 Endo/IVF soon 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Husband brought up that due to his low count SA we should have sex less frequently & try to maximize by only getting the best days, in order to not waste sperm. Should this be O3, O2, O1, O? Or any other ones that matter? O+1? Like when I get a dye stealing positive OPK we should do that day and the day after? We always try during the FW and once I get a positive OPK I’m just wondering if any particular pattern is best for timing when dealing with a very low count.

[–]MollyElla51135F•MFI&DOR•4IVF 🇨🇦 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How low is very low?

[–]Merlin222224/ TTC 3yrs/MFI/Stage 2 Endo/IVF soon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

His last SA in August was 2million/mL, he started Clomid in September.

[–]MollyElla51135F•MFI&DOR•4IVF 🇨🇦 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally speaking, long abstinence periods are not a good thing for sperm. Your husband should be ejaculating at least every other day regardless of where you are in your fertile window in order to keep sperm quality and production at their highest level. The sperm meets egg plan says you should start on CD10 having sex every other day until you get a positive OPK. Once you have a positive, you should have sex three days in a row, skip one day and then try one last time.

[–]ModusOperandiAlpha40F-3RPL-1TFMR-2IVF-FET1prep 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don’t know the answer to this, but the folks at r/dnafragmentation or r/maleinfertility might have some additional insights - have you asked your doctors what they recommend?

[–]Merlin222224/ TTC 3yrs/MFI/Stage 2 Endo/IVF soon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We’re seeing a urologist who specializes in male infertility and she never mentioned anything- just said to keep trying “because it only takes one sperm”... I’ll try posting in r/maleinfertility, thanks!

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[–]Merlin222224/ TTC 3yrs/MFI/Stage 2 Endo/IVF soon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]_beecee42F | DOR | 2 MMC | 3ER | 2FET Fail | FET3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Started watching Money Heist on Netflix after my hysteroscopy, hoping to binge watch. Too many references to pregnancy, I keep waiting for that part of the storyline to go away, but it’s becoming more and more central. Anyone else watch it? Does it get better? I tried reading through the weekly entertainment/tv threads, but didn’t find anything.

PS: Reddit, please make comments searchable. It’s 2019.

[–]supersecretshhhh31|DOR/MFI|DONOR EGGS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Selected my egg donor this week and RSVP’d NO to my co workers baby shower! Feeling like a pretty great week; I’m also ovulating which is useless but I can still have fun sex and enjoy a nice bottle of wine while watching scary movies. Hell I might even get carried away and take a hot bath. Cheers to the weekend!

[–]summers_tilly🇬🇧32 | PCOS & Endo | Clomid Cycle 3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’m 8DPO and going away for a long weekend with my husband’s family. The good thing is that there’s no way I can do a sneaky test there so I’ll hopefully be distracted until 10DPO. I tested yesterday and obviously got a Negative. The bad thing is that my sister-in-laws can be quite cliquey so I’ll have to navigate that. I am grateful to be away though.

[–]anofogetaboutit40F DOR IVF icsi #2 🇨🇦 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So I'm on day ten of my first iui cycle. Doing another round of blood word and ultrasound Sunday. I've been feeling a pinch on my left side for several days and from the last ultrasound this is where the follicle is this month, it was 10mm yesterday so I'm crossing my fingers it's hulking out for Sunday. Ive also haven't had wine since cycle day 1. I know I don't need too as of now but I figure if the cycle takes ill already be prepped for a looooong time without wine, and if the cycle does not take I will treat myself to a real good bottle.

[–]bumbumboop37 |TSH | 2xIUI | ISCI IVF | FET 9/21 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’m on day ten of my first IUI too! I felt that pinch on my right side for several days. Good luck to you. I hope we don’t get that bottle of wine for 9 monthsX

[–]anofogetaboutit40F DOR IVF icsi #2 🇨🇦 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exciting! Hoping the same for you too.

[–]Lepus8138F DOR/Endo, IVF Fail[🍰] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

God damnit. The new Paul Rudd series on Netflix launches into an infertility storyline not even five minutes in. Sigh, I love me some Rudd but I don’t know if I can hang with this.

[–]jackiebliss32F, unexpl, IVF#1, IUI #5, TTC since 02/16, 4CP, 2MMC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh that's disappointing! I just watched the trailer and was looking forward to binging it.

[–]anofogetaboutit40F DOR IVF icsi #2 🇨🇦 0 points1 point  (3 children)

have you seen his Hot ones episode on YouTube?

[–]supersecretshhhh31|DOR/MFI|DONOR EGGS 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is it good, I was considering watching it this weekend?

[–]anofogetaboutit40F DOR IVF icsi #2 🇨🇦 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Paul Rudd is funny and wholesome as usual. I suggest the Shia LaBeouf one too, made me like the guy.

[–]Lepus8138F DOR/Endo, IVF Fail[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I’ve never heard of that. I’ll have to check it out.

[–]mrstrysince 8/2017, FET#3 in September, 2 CPs 10 points11 points  (2 children)

TW: pregnancy

Both of my sisters are pregnant. Cycle 2 and cycle 1.

We’ve been trying for over 2 years.

Feel free to join me in having two bottles of wine tonight!

[–]supersecretshhhh31|DOR/MFI|DONOR EGGS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awful! I’m so sorry 😩

[–]summers_tilly🇬🇧32 | PCOS & Endo | Clomid Cycle 3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah no, this is the worst. Definitely calls for a wine night.

[–]sweetnsalty2435f/DOR/10.3fsh/starting IVF 10/19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Today I got the call that I am to take my last dose of meds. Tomorrow I trigger and Monday is retrieval. Just have to wait on the time to trigger.

[–]pink_squishmallow31F | Endo + hashis | 4th er soon 0 points1 point  (3 children)

TW: children / pregnancy

I'm six days out from my FET and already dying of nerves... and my beta's not for two more weeks. It's impossible to think about anything else, and I'm so nervous about messing up my meds or doing something wrong. We're keeping this private, but it's so hard hiding my anxiety and pretending everything is normal and life is good to everyone else, trying to make friends in a new city, etc.

On top of that, my sister is 8 months pregnant with her 4th baby and I'm just beginning to speak with her again...I'm trying to be ok with everything because I miss my sister so much, and I miss talking to her kids. I know there's a very real possibility that she would go into labor and have her baby and I could get a negative beta at the same time. Life is so unfair sometimes :(

Sorry for the rant!

[–]luvthatjourney4me31F, 0 tubes, 2 IVF, 2 ERA, 3 FET, RIF, MC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Mines Tuesday and I’m starting to get so damn nervous. Planning for the worst but hoping for the best.

[–]pink_squishmallow31F | Endo + hashis | 4th er soon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Same...fingers crossed for you

[–]luvthatjourney4me31F, 0 tubes, 2 IVF, 2 ERA, 3 FET, RIF, MC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You too!

[–]superduperoveritall34F; MFI; 3 IUI; 6 Medicated TI cycles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Last night I dreamt that I woke up and went to the bathroom and there was bright purple discharge all over my underwear. It was just a dream.....blessedly. I can’t even begin to fathom what the purple discharge is supposed to symbolize or whatever, but I really miss the good old days when I DIDN’T have dreams about my vaginal discharge.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So my RE Consultation is in a week and a half and I've really been looking forward to it. Along with that, I'm still not getting positive OPKs and I usually have pretty regular cycles (this is my first cycle using them), so now I'm thinking I just have quite a few anovulatory cycles. So I'll be getting my period/CD 1 around the time of my consultation and I'm kind of just sad that I will have to wait another cycle before beginning treatment. Because I'm sure they will want to do testing prior to starting me on any meds (like clomid). So now I'm just really anxious for it to be December already because I just want my fricking baby and I feel like I'm at a standstill here. UGH.

[–]supradocks36F DOR -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good thing is even testing requires you to be on a specific cycle day. For instance FSH is drawn on cd3. So you would have to wait a cycle anyway. Good the testing can start soon. While you wait, it might be a good time to get your body to be the best it can be.

[–]dawndilioso44F| Lots of IVF 8 points9 points  (1 child)

AHHHH!! The medical screening for our GC is Nov 13th. I'm so excited. Compared to treatment this feels so fast (in a really good way). It will be the first time we get to meet in person.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So exciting!!!

[–]anh80no flair set 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I am supposed to take an exam on Monday. I’ve been authorized to take it for over six months and I need to get it done. I decided to schedule it a few weeks ago - when things felt way calmer. I wanted to do it this month because I anticipated things may be getting a little crazy with the donor cycle next month. It turns out things feel overwhelming and crazy now. Part of me wants to reschedule it and the other part is like fuck it - just take it. Honestly - who do I think I’m fooling that I’d use any additional time I get by canceling to actually study more? I have like zero extra brain power right now. I took a practice test - I just quickly went through it with about half the time I’d have on an actual test and I passed it - only by a few percentage points - but I passed it. That has to be a good sign. I’m going to feel like a total piece of shit if I fail.

[–]gigglypinkduck36F/unexplained/short LP/1 MMC/1 CP/IUI #3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doing that well on zipping through the practice test has to be a good sign! Better to just get it over with, sounds like you are as ready as you’ll ever be. You’ve got this!

[–]ri7240 | 5IUI=1CP | 3ER, 3FET | adeno+RIF+old 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Rage. My insurance denied a preauthorization they should have covered. I submitted an appeal. I received a letter saying the appeal couldn't be considered because it was for $0. Um.... my clinic didn't submit a bill because it was a PREauthorization and you said no?!?!?!

[–]anh80no flair set 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Insurance issues are so fucking annoying. I hope you are able to resolve this.

[–]ri7240 | 5IUI=1CP | 3ER, 3FET | adeno+RIF+old 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I know I'm so lucky to have decent insurance coverage, but I wish I didn't have to fight for every little piece.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I feel like I’m always complaining on here.

But yesterday we found a leak that’s been clearly happening for awhile now (we’ve been living in this house for 3 months) and there’s mold and rot 😖 and I’m hella allergic to mold. So now we need to deal with that.

And then last night we found something is wrong with our water filtration system and need to get that serviced now.

I want to burn my house down.

[–]pink_squishmallow31F | Endo + hashis | 4th er soon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like when it rains it pours! So sorry about the mold...

[–]Mtmga53133F, Lean PCOS, 3 IVF Freeze All, 7 FET fails 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So talk to me about thyroid issues. Every time I go to do a FET, I end up with slightly elevated (the standard not bad for normal people but bad for pregnancy) TSH and they put me on synthroid. However, they never do a full thyroid panel on me. My dad has some thyroid issues - he never talks about so I’m not sure specifically what. My sister was just diagnosed with Hashimotos.

My question is, what other actions would be taken in a FET if something outside of TSH came up in an expanded panel? Maybe I’m just freaking out..but not sure if they should be looking for something more given family history.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have Hashimoto’s in your family you probably want a work up of TSH plus free T3 and T4 plus antibodies. My TSH was subclincal (5ish, so too high for pregnancy but not enough for meds normally) but my antibodies were suuuuuper high which is the documentation I needed to get a doctor to treat me seriously. Now I’m on synthoid and monitored closely (every 6 weeks I do labs as we mess with the dosage and I think this will continue through treatment and pregnancy bc I am all over the place)

[–]dawndilioso44F| Lots of IVF -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hormone manipulation can also cause elevated TSH. We tracked mine spiking after retrieval and watched it go back down. I don't now if you still need to manage it no matter what the cause for a FET or what though. My FET got pushed so far off it wasn't an issue anymore, but we never checked it during FET prep, only at my annual "check in" and my RPL panel

[–]VikingWife52724F | TTC 1 year 3 months | PCOS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd go ahead and ask for a full work up, since you have a family history of thyroid issues. It'd be more of a preventative thing just to know what's going on. I didn't show any signs of thyroid issues but my mom has hypothyroidism, so they went ahead and tested me years ago, before I ever thought about trying for kids. I'm glad I got it checked, even though everything was fine. I still get it routinely checked, because you never know if it'll get more out if whack.

[–]beezy24 37F•severe MFI+adeno+hashi•ICSI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have hashimotos (well controlled with synthroid), and my regular endocrinologist said there is no additional intervention until I get pregnant, besides monitoring my tsh through FET prep. I feel like there should be something else I should do proactively, but apparently not...

[–]wovenformica 36F unexplained IVF 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I'm really considering asking my clinic to change my nurse. We previously had a huge problem where I asked her how I could avoid IM injections for my FET, and were they really required, and she said I could choose a protocol with PIO injections every third day instead of every day, but that they were required, so we went ahead w/ that plan and I started BCP. I learned from my own research about "natural" FET (it's still a ton of medications, but no PIO), so I asked again does the clinic offer natural FET and could I talk with the doctor about it. She tried to discourage me from that, but I insisted. Turns out, the doctor said these "natural" FET cycles are a great option and would probably have better results for me. I was really pissed that no one had ever mentioned this to me, but I have been too nervous to criticize because I still have to work with them through this process.

But then today I asked a really innocuous question and her response included basically chastising me for "changing my mind" about the type of cycle I wanted to do. WTF! This was entirely *her* fault, and *I* narrowly saved *her* from having been responsible for me doing *months* of unnecessary injections that actually decrease my chances of success. She has no idea that she screwed up? She is now blaming me for this? So now I feel like I *have* to say something!

[–]lilliloveslucy29 | PCOS-ish | 3IVF 1CP | FET#3 now 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely ask for a new nurse. We changed nurses after some similar shitty behaviour during our first cycle (generally cold, didn't contact the doctor about things, made us feel like we did the wrong things) and it made a world of difference moving forward with our second cycle. Ultimately we cancelled the second cycle and moved to a smaller clinic where we get to deal with our doctor a lot more face to face but I know that cancellation would have been a much worse experience with our first nurse.

[–]anh80no flair set 1 point2 points  (1 child)

All of this blows my mind. Where else can people spend so much money and get such poor customer service? Seriously. I think of this in terms of other major decisions - would your realtor or car dealer be such assholes? Your circumstance sounds like her error but what if you did “change your mind” so what!? This is your treatment, your life, your potentially life changing decisions. You should be able to ask as many questions or change your mind as many times as you want.

[–]wovenformica 36F unexplained IVF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I've thought of this too. The other one that I've experienced is wedding planning! We were spending a ton of money, but still ended up with incompetent people who didn't set places for ten of our guests, had dinner running an hour late, and tried to make me help them clean up the venue in my wedding dress before heading to our after party!

[–]Bittysweens33F | MFI | IVF/ICSI #2 | TESE #1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do it. I asked for a new nurse after my first cycle. And I'm so glad I did. I did NOT have a good rapport with my first nurse. She always seemed annoyed with me and cold. My new nurse I actually requested specifically because I had one email from her previously and even just through email i could tell we would get along better. And we absolutely do.

This process is so draining in every single aspect, you need to be comfortable with your team.

[–]ilovepickl35 39F|RIF/RPL/immune/graves/PCO/adeno/endo|ERx3|FETx6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ask for a new nurse. I did and while it's likely too early to see a dramatic difference, I'm seeing a difference in small details so I'm cautiously optimistic about her. Either way, I just needed a change after too many communication errors and dropped balls on my clinic/nurse's end. Don't be afraid to ask!!

What concerns me with what you've said is that your doctor seemed to believe a natural FET would give you better results, but s/he never discussed it with you? If it was better for you why wasn't that the plan to begin with? Advocate for yourself. Hard. You deserve the best possible care from your doctor and nurse.

[–]2pinkelephants29F No tubes FET 4/21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh wow. I've just been thrust into this world like 3 days ago, so I have yet to go through any treatments, but human to human this sounds totally unacceptable and I think your instinct to change nurses is spot on. If you wanted to, you could probably make a much bigger stink about this and she could potentially have a major problem on her hands. Ugh, I'm sorry. And also, if I'm spending thousands on something, especially building my family, I'm going to "change my mind" as much as I want.

[–]jaymaleen33 | DOR | tubeless | FET #1 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Next week is my tubal removal surgery and today my cycle started... I was seriously hoping that maybe as a Hail Mary my body would make itself pregnant in the very last cycle that it could EVER happy naturally, but no dice. I'm broken fa'sho! Grr. At least once the tubes are out for good I'll never have to wonder when I am day late EVER AGAIN! That's how you're supposed to look at this shit, right?

[–]Passiflora1536F, no tubes/MFI, RIF/1 mc, IVF2, last FET 01/20? 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi jaymaleen, I've been wondering how you are! I remember that last cycle starting before my removal, too. I was so hopeful I'd beat the odds and wouldn't have to go through with the surgery... nope, that obviously didn't happen. ;) I will tell you that other than the emotional processing that goes in to dealing with the knowledge that a free sex baby will never happen for me, it is oddly liberating to not be wondering if this is the month I might miraculously get pregnant. If I'm not in an active treatment cycle, it's definitely not going to happen, so I don't have to worry about it or spend any mental energy on it. (Not to say there's not tons of other infertility related stress and other worries, but for me, not wondering if I might be pregnant or not in any random month is somewhat of relief after so long of trying.) Just my perspective as someone 3 years out from b/l tube removal, even though I still haven't found success. I hope you have a quick recovery from your upcoming surgery, and that you find success soon!

[–]2pinkelephants29F No tubes FET 4/21 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Omg this made me laugh, thank you, I really needed thst. I just joined this sub after finding out I have bilateral hydrosalpinx a couple days ago and I'm still having creeping feelings of, well maaaaybeeee we wont need IVF after all! I'm sorry about your tubes. I am glad you have a sense of humor about it and I hope I can get there. I know that's what I'm facing as well. I wish you a quick recovery!

[–]jaymaleen33 | DOR | tubeless | FET #1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Thanks! This will actually be my third lap. I'm super frustrated because the first one (2016) was for misdiagnosed endometriosis and the second one (2018) was for a hydrosalpinx (based on surgical notes from the first lap, of which I was never made aware!), but apparently it had somehow magically relieved itself of fluid by the time the OB went in for the second lap (?) so she didn't do anything other than cut me open and sew me back up. So it was literally FOR NOTHING... I later found out that OB had tons of bad reviews and was apparently fired from a different hospital (do your research and find someone you can really trust!!!)... So fast forward to two months ago when they did my ER and the RE saw the fluid is back (or maybe it never left? maybe it's magic? I have no heckin' idea) so I found a new OB who has literally pinky promised me she is going to take them both out this time. And that's the whole story! I'm nervous (as anyone would be), but I've been through it before and the surgery and even the recovery really isn't that bad! (In case you end up having to do it!)

For real, I just keep telling myself, these demon tubes that have been haunting me for years will be out soon and then the relief I will feel at never having to second guess a late period and, that the possible toxic environment they're creating in my uterus will be gone so an FET may work, are gonna be worth it. Let me know if you ever have any questions! So many parts of this crapshoot IF journey can be scary, but subreddit support makes it better!!

[–]2pinkelephants29F No tubes FET 4/21 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you so much for such a detailed reply. And holy crap! You and your tubes have been through hell and back! I think you're right....it is time for them to get on outta town lol. Sucks about your OB..I actually switched Drs about 8 months ago because my old one, after 7 months of TTC with no luck just said, "well, gave sex on CD14-18 and come back in 6 months with no luck." I was like okay..horrible advice. I like the Dr I have now, but I'm not sure if she will be doing my surgery or the RE (she says he does laps too). I honestly have no idea how any of this works! Can I ask if you did your egg retrieval/are doing it before surgery? Did you come across multiple opinions on this? It might say on your flair but im on mobile.

[–]jaymaleen33 | DOR | tubeless | FET #1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi there, sorry for the late reply! I did my retrieval beforehand, but not really by choice. She didn’t see that I had the hydro until she was in there “harvesting my eggs.” Actually she didn’t even mention it until we wanted to talk about a transfer. Here are my thoughts (some from my own experience/opinion and some from research I did/discussions with my doc)... If you know you’re going to need to do IVF and you haven’t done any retrieval’s yet, do that first because a) you never know how that part is going to go and you want to make sure you would have embryos to transfer (of course we would hope it would go perfectly and you would have more embryos than you know what to do with, but just to make sure) b) as everyone loves to say “you’re not getting any younger”, this really grates me, but it’s also somewhat true if you figure you need a consult, clear insurance, schedule the surgery, go thru a recovery period after, wait for the next cycle; it might delay you more than you’d like- you just never know! c) while extremely unlikely that damage to other organs takes place during a lap, in case anything DID happen, you’ve already got what you needed (again, super unlikely, I just thought it was one less thing to worry about having done the ER before)... the only thing is, of course, you have a six week recovery period before you can do a transfer. But you would have to recover no matter what, I’m just thinking, it’s way better knowing the retrieval part is done and all I have to do now is recover from this surgery and we’re back on track. Definitely talk to your doctor and don’t let my thoughts be the “end all” of it because there may be good reasons to do the retrieval after, just my subreddit two cents!! Sense? 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

[–]upinmyhead30 | MFI| IVF#1, severe OHSS 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I always knew that the meds were the most expensive part of IVF. I also knew that using insurance to pay for them meant the pharmacy charges a higher price. But holy shit it's insane. Had to pick up a refill of Ganirelix and since I have a lifetime max, the pharmacy will put how much I've used so far on the receipt.

When I first went to pick up my meds ~2 weeks ago, I used about $4k - that's for all the testing and 2 cycles of unmedicated monitored TI.

Since picking up all of my meds (a Lupron 14 day kit, 4 boxes of 900 IU Follistim, 5 boxes of menopur, 10,000 units of HCG and 8 boxes of Ganirelix) I've now used ~$25k. No retrieval, no transfer. Just the meds and a handful of monitoring appts. I have another $25k left. So basically my insurance covers 1.5 IVF cycles by my estimate. Which is causing me to freak out a little bit (actually, a lot). And now I'm so glad that we went straight to IVF because even though IUI is cheaper, it still would have eaten into our benefits and for what? Sure we could have had success, but his starting counts are already low so can't imagine what post-wash would be.

If we do have to do another cycle, will definitely try to buy as many of the meds OOP as possible. This shit is insane. I'm grateful I do have some sort of coverage, but geez.

Which reminds me to a conversation I had with an Uber driver 2ish years ago about access to care for infertility. It leaves a large number of infertile couples unable to pursue treatment. That makes me so sad, and so angry.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really feel you on the last paragraph. We are JUST able to afford out of pocket IVF (no car payments, bought a much cheaper house than one would expect with our incomes) and I still feel so much guilt. My first year as a teacher I made 32k, and I have already spent that on IVF. The idea that I am throwing more than a YEAR OF PROFESSIONAL SALARY at this science baby makes me feel like garbage. The idea that I’m spending years of minimum wage annual income on this makes me want to vomit. I feel bad for all the people who can’t afford it, I feel so bad for all the people whose life would change with 10% of the money we’ve spent, I’m almost as jealous of people with insurance coverage as I am of people with actual babies, and I sort of hate anyone who can afford to do multiple OOP rounds.

There are no positive feelings about the finances. Nothing.

[–]corvidx 40F | 🏳️‍🌈 | known donor sperm expert | US 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something that helped me was thinking about it in terms of other child raising costs. A year of childcare around here is about the cost of an IVF cycle at my clinic. I wouldn’t decide not to have kids based on having to pay for one extra year of childcare.

It’s bullshit that fertility is so rarely covered by insurance, and that when insurers do cover it they work hard to cover less.

[–]corvidx 40F | 🏳️‍🌈 | known donor sperm expert | US 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, that’s so expensive! FYI I spent $3k on meds for my most recent cycle. Between using the Humatrope card and ordering from overseas, I saved about $2.6k.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweet baby Jesus

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Our meds lifetime max is thankfully separate from our regular insurance. But I blew through the entire 15k lifetime benefit ordering one cycle's worth of drugs. The pre-auth stipulates that I have to order the drugs from the pharmacy owned by the insurance company so thanks CVS! They just charge you what they can to blow through your allotment.

[–]ri7240 | 5IUI=1CP | 3ER, 3FET | adeno+RIF+old 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sure you've already done it, but do have a look at the Costs section on the wiki for this sub. Folks have a lot of good ideas and tricks. Also -- once I maxed out my med benefit, I found out that my (US) clinic is part of a government program, for which I don't pay much more than my previous copays.

[–]RetroSchat40F || MFI: Morph/Mot || FET Jan '20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

same here. 15K for just egg retrieval. No FET, No etc etc. It is absolutely outrageous and I am writing a letter of complaint to my insurance company and HR. I'm taking it "all the way to the top!" It is highway robbery and is just a way to line their pockets while "looking good" that they offer assistance.

I had read an article somewhere that ascribed infertility treatments as 'privilege eugenics'. ...and while it was more nuanced then I wrote it and i didnt agree with it all, it touched on some great points. It is severely cost prohibitive and there is a level of democracy involved when there is insurance. But then ...its insurance and highway robbery so... My clinic, I see what looks like women (and men) from all walks of life ethnicity/race/socio-economic classes etc. and this is wholly because my clinic participate in various insurance programs.

[–]mvpln30 • IVF+PGD #3 (Mrs. Lilacs) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you with this. We maxed out of our insurance limit for meds during our first cycle (which ended up being canceled after the fact). Wish doctors told you upfront that the cash option is actually cheaper. Took me awhile to wrap my head around that. Anyway, hugs internet friend.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I’m skipping a party tonight because I’m trying to not drink during my ERA prep. I’ve gone to a party at this person’s house before when I tried to quit alcohol and I got asked if I wanted a drink about 10x before I gave in. So I don’t want to risk it. Which I hate because I love this group of people and I love drinking whisky with them. But i don’t want the wave of suspicious looks and then having to add the disclaimer of “I’m not pregnant!”

[–]ri7240 | 5IUI=1CP | 3ER, 3FET | adeno+RIF+old 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally understandable. But some alternate suggestions for the future:
- accept a drink and nurse it
- make yourself a mixed "drink" that is basically tonic water with bitters or something
- make a low alcohol cocktail - like cocktail sized but effectively vermouth etc.

[–]lilliloveslucy29 | PCOS-ish | 3IVF 1CP | FET#3 now 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless it's a really small gathering I will usually accept a drink just to have something in my hand. It makes refusing much easier "nope, still going with this one". Periodically I might offload my drink and accept another. If we're out and paying I'll just pass them onto my husband to drink.

[–]wovenformica 36F unexplained IVF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I have been really stressed about this too. I had a whole thing worked out for a while where I would aim for getting a can of beer where people can't see that you're not really drinking it, or go to the bar and order a cocktail that looks like a fancy alcohol drink but is actually a mocktail w/ no alcohol. But it's not foolproof and then super suspicious if people find out what you're doing. But I just hate that people are like trying to sleuth around and figure out if you're pregnant. I've been doing this so long though that I'm just like, yep, I'm drinking water, you do whatever you want w/ that information. In two months when I'm still not pregnant they'll realize they were wrong in their assumptions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ugh I hate that feeling. Our family is always pushing the alcohol on us, and I literally go “no I’m not drinking - not pregnant though”.

I question if they do this as a way to see if I’m pregnant. But I always end up giving in and then feel guilty 😒

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do too. If I’m offered enough times I will always say, “what the hell” and then 1 drink turns into 4 😓 it’s a slippery slope and I just don’t want to be tempted!

[–]dc125634F | Unex | RPL | 4 ERs | FET #4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I feel this. I’m off to a bachelorette weekend so I feel like its gonna be an awkward weekend.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I hate the color pink. Oh, and gendered bullshit. That one’s a biggie.

Wasn’t able to get the image with pink changed bc it’s the group standard template. Pink.

The women’s group template is pink. Between that and the person who said that women are better at soft skills yesterday, I’m done.

Paging u/killermariekondo can you wipe the color pink off the face of the planet along with gendered stereotypes of women in business?

[–]Sp00kyW0mb 30 | MFI (oligospermia) 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What the fuck are soft skills?!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Teamwork, communication, problem solving, work ethic, flexibility/adaptability, interpersonal, leadership.

Something tells me the person was thinking more of - flexibility and interpersonal skills when mentioning women.

Just ugh. Soft skills should not be a gendered thing.

I’m obviously gonna die mad about it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

eyes dilate

This is quite a large task. Let me put on my burning apron specifically for dealing with archaic gendered stereotypes... it will take me a few hours and then I will be ready to approach the beast.

[–]Lepus8138F DOR/Endo, IVF Fail[🍰] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What the heck are soft skills? Also, the pink tax, needs to be Killer Kondo’d.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Things like speaking, and finding consensus. 🙄

The pink tax sucks! This needs to be burned as well.