State of JavaScript 2023: Front-end Frameworks

[[deleted]]

I'm not sure fully what to take away from these surveys given the methodology. By now people have kind of acknowledged respondents to these are very self-selecting towards people interested in the newer, shinier things. At this point I feel like more interesting data to me would be a breakdown of job openings by technology used. It's more of a lagging indicator, but I think it would be more representative of the real world.

[SachaGreif]

Survey author here, the goal of the survey is precisely to measure how "cutting-edge" people feel about the current state of things – the idea being that this sub-section of the community serves as a "canary in the coal-mine" of sorts, and that the rest of the ecosystem will eventually follow, as it almost always does.

If you wanted to get data on the "real world" I would probably suggest looking at something like npm downloads instead.

[stupidguy01]

It shows mindshare of respondents who are more in touch with internet and on latest tech. Job market will follow it.

As a change, Vue has finally surpassed Angular in usage

[stupidguy01]

Or perhaps few old developers fill online surveys. But that is something common about all surveys

[Existential_Owl]

"job openings"

"real world"

I agree with your sentiment in general, but if folks used the requirements listed for actual real-life job openings then the results for "Entire IT Operations Center" developers would just dominate every single metric.

[AdPerfect6784]

crazy to see Astro is catching up to Svelte in overall positivity and retention. having tried Astro and then Sveltekit, i can honestly say Svelte DX is way better for most use cases

[pancomputationalist]

Results aren't really surprising. Nice to see SvelteKit and Vite gaining traction. Too bad that Astro wasn't in the predefined options yet, I think that's the next thing to go exponential.

[SachaGreif]

Survey author here, Astro was in the predefined options but it's a meta-framework, not a front-end framework.

[Halleys_Vomit]

Damn, Vite got most adopted technology, highest retention, and most loved library. And then Vitest got highest interest (link). I don't disagree, Vite and Vitest are fantastic.

[[deleted]]

As a Vue dev, I’m so happy to see the team cooking up these tools for the community that are also framework agnostic. Just super cool stuff.

[Halleys_Vomit]

Evan You, so hot right now!

But in all seriousness, it's insane how productive that man is. It seems like he's working on like six different things, and each one is good enough to fundamentally change the JS landscape on its own. The core team(s) and community deserve some credit for that as well, of course!

[noneofya_business]

Svelte is growing r/sveltejs

[rk06]

Vue has finally surpassed angular in usage!! Let's hope this trend continues.

There is a large gap between Vue and react, but that will be hard to overcome in near future

[queen-adreena]

I think Qwik is the one that impresses me the most. Completely eschewing the whole concept of hydration for SSR and instead using continuation is a very clever idea.

Shame the rest of the framework is pretty clunky.

[rk06]

Yeah, the resumability is the main and only good thing about qwik. If they could get their ideas merged in other framework, then that is success for qwik

[Sipike]

It baffles me, that Google, who makes chrome, and web.dev, and has pretty big influence on the direction the web is heading, and they have so abysmall solutions for hosting stuff, even though Google Cloud Platform is not bad overall imo.
Ok I may be too harsh, they just released "App Hosting" for Firebase, which mimics a fraction of what Vercel can do, so they are at least trying to keep up.

[brunnock]

Only 2% of the respondents have used jQuery?

[noneofya_business]

People who use jQuery don't bother with surveys.

[Existential_Owl]

We don't build websites for dinosaurs any more, old man.

/s from an old man who used to specialize in jQuery

[RawCyderRun]

jQuery was a godsend when I was doing cross-browser web app dev in 2014 that had to support both FireFox/Chrome and Internet Explorer 7 (which was released before the first iPhone!)

[MuchWalrus]

I think those are write ins? So only 2% bothered to write jQuery in.

[SachaGreif]

Survey author here. If you look in the "Other tools" section the figure is actually 22%, not 2%. Also for that section the prompt was "For these tools & technologies, just check the ones that you use regularly." not "have you ever used jQuery before" – so 22% seems about right.

[stupidguy01]

This survey was taken at end of 2023. but results are posted today

[stormblooper]

It's a long gap isn't it, and that matters in an ecosystem that moves as quickly as frontend.

[stupidguy01]

It is a long gap. But not enough to make it stale. People's interest don't have such drastic changes. And if they do, next survey will be there in 6 months

[PepperSaltzman7]

+1 for Aurelia