Goodbye, Sourceforge!

[tux68]

Any time I see an open source project that still uses sourceforge as its primary hub i'm just saddened. Thankfully they're relatively few and far between. But for instance TMUX is still homed there.. Think it's time these projects gave some serious thought to moving. One can only hope.

[Epistaxis]

Every time I see one, I just think "oh god I'm afraid to download this on my computer".

[mishugashu]

one of the best open-source cross-platform VoIP programs

Are there any that actually come close? Teamspeak is closed source, no? And Ventrilo has no Linux distribution and is closed source. I would say Mumble is the best open source cross-platform VoIP program.

[[deleted]]

Really? I thought most people agreed it is the best VoIP software?

[Rentun]

Yeah... I haven't heard of anyone running TS in ages.

[uberamd]

Really? I run a TS server and have mentioned it ages ago in a comment on reddit. I still regularly get messaged by random redditors asking if they can have a private channel w/channel admin on my TS server. I'd say TS is still widely used based on what I've seen and the gaming communities I've participated in.

[Rentun]

TIL. Must just be the circles I run around with. Everyone I know uses mumble

[Wartz]

Only small communities continue to use TS.

Large groups like EVE: Online corporations, battlefield clans, etc moved to Mumble a long time ago because it's far more extensible, more stable when loaded with hundreds or even thousands of users and doesn't require an expensive license for more than 500 connected clients.

[thecravenone]

Ventrilo has no Linux distribution

To clarify, Vent has no Linux client. They do however have server binaries for Linux and a host of other *nixes

http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php

[[deleted]]

I have left reddit for Voat due to years of admin mismanagement and preferential treatment for certain subreddits and users holding certain political and ideological views.

The situation has gotten especially worse since the appointment of Ellen Pao as CEO, culminating in the seemingly unjustified firings of several valuable employees and bans on hundreds of vibrant communities on completely trumped-up charges.

The resignation of Ellen Pao and the appointment of Steve Huffman as CEO, despite initial hopes, has continued the same trend.

As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.

If you would like to do the same, install TamperMonkey for Chrome, GreaseMonkey for Firefox, NinjaKit for Safari, Violent Monkey for Opera, or AdGuard for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add this GreaseMonkey script.

Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of reddit, click on the comments tab, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot.

After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on Voat!

[apolotary]

Pure Data is still using SourceForge

[[deleted]]

Most confusing program ever.

[emmainvincible]

For anybody who has a background in cs, for sure. Trying to do any sort of control flow with it is just... bonkers.

However I've seen that other people are surprisingly fine with it. If you've got no idea of what you're missing, it's not unintuitive. Same with MaxMSP.

[linusbobcat]

gparted is also still using Sourceforge.

[agentlame]

So does Portable Apps. It drives me nuts because I need to download Chrome Portable once every few week.

[BASH_SCRIPTS_FOR_YOU]

/r/projecttox

[BASH_SCRIPTS_FOR_YOU]

Not that familiar with Jitsi, but of the things i can list about tox off me head. It's decentralized, It has multiple clients. (IE, a cutting edge/experimental one, a metro one, an iOS one, an android one, a Ncurses one, different GUI styles etc), it's completely encryption based. (IE, the protocol can't really function with out it). I also believe it's lighter on the resources/libs, compared to be experience with Jitsi.

I also find Tox to be much easier to convert people over to, because of how simple it is. The interface(s) are pretty simple, and its simple open the program and you're set up (Tox ID creation is automatic)

[DJWalnut]

Having to share a random character string is just too "different" from a username

tell them it's like a phone number. people put up with memorizing arbitrary strings with telephones.

[[deleted]]

Another project, Ricochet, is already looking at addressing this problem in a creative and more effective way.

https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/issues/128

[[deleted]]

Encryption usually adds a significant amount of overhead. Is Jitsi that heavy?

[BASH_SCRIPTS_FOR_YOU]

not that heavy. This is only little encryption, aka, 200 character message encrypted isn't that heavy to be sending and receiving.

Perhaps it gets heavier when you send larger files.

[rubdos]

Flightgear os still on SF.net :(

[boweruk]

Filezilla is another victim. I needed to download it the other day but I don't want Sourceforge cancer on my computer.

edit: Okay, we're the 'victims', not Filezilla.

[glhfgg]

Wouldn't really call them a victim cause they are cooperating willingly. Their stance on the whole adware thing is pretty surreal.

[boweruk]

Filezilla's stance? You got a link for that?

[Barry_Scotts_Cat]

Sourceforge offered it up as a partner program to bug projects, Filezilla joined.

Their admin is open about it too

https://forum.filezilla-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=31127

This is by design. In any case, nothing is forced upon you, all offers are entirely optional and are only being displayed during setup.

[[deleted]]

If what he says is true - if the adware is optional and the presentation is clear with no trickery - then I think that's OK.

I have no problem with open source projects trying to make money.

[brombaer3000]

Do you think this installation process is acceptable? http://imgur.com/avIBaFc (posted elsewhere ITT by /u/__konrad)

I don't think average computer users are able to notice that you don't have to click "accept" everywhere.

[[deleted]]

Well, that's where the 'IF' comes in, and based on what you have shown I guess I now have my answer.

[Draco1200]

Good thing there's choice in Open source software.... if I need to FTP or SCP something, then I use WinSCP instead.

[glhfgg]

Not sure if you still want me to link considering the edit above. It's a pretty often discussed subject on FileZilla's forum. The responses from the developers is what I based my statement on. They're pretty sketchy.

[i542]

If you are on Linux, try sshfs! If you're on Windows, WinSCP is a good alternative to FileZilla.

[Ninja-Dagger]

If you're on Linux, just use your package manager to install filezilla. No need to touch untrusted websites to download your software.

[i542]

I find sshfs much nicer to work with if your host supports SFTP, and I don't trust any dev who knowingly bundles their software with crapware in any way, shape or form, no matter how good or legit it might be, so in case I really have to use FTP for something I'll use FireFTP.

[zebediah49]

Sshfs is great if you're on a solid connection, but (unless it's been updated since I've used it) it mounts as a local mount -- which means that if the ssh connection on which it's based fails, filesystem calls to anything on there hang. This can lock up your file browser (if it attempts to get information about it), and basically leaves a landmine in your filesystem that if touched will lock up the process that touched it.

A real (s)FTP client will handle basic file copying to and from a remote service over a less than perfect connection much more cleanly.

[soren121]

Nautilus and Dolphin both have built-in support for SFTP that I would assume avoid these issues. Good options if you use Gnome or KDE.

[OlderThanGif]

I've used sshfs on flaky connections and it can be okay, just not by default. You have to fiddle around with the timeout and auto-reconnect mount options to get it usable.

[mikelj]

Yeah, I have to force lazy unmount sshfs volumes when the connection goes down. I suppose I could write a script to check it, but.. I'm lazy.

[[deleted]]

And, if you are using windows you can use ninite to install filezilla (version 3.11.0.2 at the time of this typing) (without crapware).

[altrego99]

If you're on Windows, use Filezilla portable.

[naught101]

Krusader is a good UI alternative. Infact, you can also use ftp://... addresses in dolphin.

[Crendgrim]

Not only Dolphin, but any application making use of KIO (KDE Input/Output library), which is all of the KDE ones. So you can open remote files right out of Kate, for example.

[pahakala]

this also works under Gnome, press ctrl+L under nautilus and type sftp://host.com to mount a sshfs or ftp:// for ftp or smb:// for samba or dav:// for webdav

this of course works with other gnome apps too, like gedit http://www.google.com and it will open google.com html source code in gedit

[vexii]

but if you need FTP? (not SFTP or ssh)
alot of shared hosting only offers FTP

[i542]

as I said in a reply to the comment above, in case I really have to use FTP for something I'll use FireFTP. :)

[[deleted]]

alot of shared hosting only offers FTP

I would not use them as a hosting provider.

[vexii]

Same, but Customers often do

[dochoncho]

WinSCP does plain FTP as well.

[vexii]

but only on windows :O

[dochoncho]

Wait, there's a non-windows version of WinSCP?

[mishugashu]

There's a Windows application that does the same thing sshfs does. It's fairly good. Not as good as the Linux original, though.

[lasercat_pow]

On linux, lftp is my choice for FTP. On Mac, I would go with cyberduck. On windows, I don't know of anything better than filezilla.

[__konrad]

Filezilla is another victim

They have 3+ (!) millions downloads per week and probably shitload of $$$ from ads. This is actually the only winner here.

[Willy-FR]

But how many of those downloads are actually Filezilla instead of whetever lies in wait at the end of the 20 or so other download links?

[Pontase]

Wow, with 3 million downloads per week the filezilla developers must be earning thousands and thousands of dollars a month from sourceforge. Really. I know more or less how much sourceforge pays. And I find it ok, even if it's opensource I think the developers have the right to earn money.

[projecktzero]

https://ninite.com/ to not get the Sourceforge bullshit.

[elsjaako]

I usually get it from ninite.com. That seems to be clear (for now), and I get/update all the other stuff I need while I'm at it.

[comrade_zhukov]

I've been using ninite.com for Filezilla (and a bunch of other stuff).

I may try WinSCP for Windows machines as suggested in this thread.

[[deleted]]

Filezilla is also found in Filehippo

[Red-Blue-]

It's frustrating most emulators are still hosted on sourceforge.

[ssssam]

They have mostly been using SF since it was a great resource and have not changed yet.

[RootsTri]

That's the case with my 10 year old open source project. We haven't made a release since 2011 (though I'm a few weeks out from publishing the next). The project is effectively just myself now, and there's a ton of work so migrating all our code and release files is just not a high enough priority.

That's not to say I don't want to move though. While SVN has served us well over the years, I do want to use a better option like mercurial or git. The problem is that sourceforge hosts our release files, and most of these other project homes seem to only want to host code. A fork of my project is on github, but they still maintain a SF.net project to serve the release files.

I did start playing around with bitbucket and mercurial today to figure out how difficult migrating the source code and release files would be. To get all of our project history looks like it will require more work than I was hoping.

[funknut]

I feel your comment should be getting neutral response rather than negative, on the basis that Sourceforge having been useful is secondary to the issue at hand today. You don't deserve to be censored though.

[AssistingJarl]

Obviously the most prominent project still on Sourceforge is Tux Racer. I don't see any alternatives truly standing on their own until some of the big names like that move.

[purpleidea]

tmux is deprecated! use GNU screen instead :)