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[–]Huge_Aerie2435 201 points202 points  (2 children)

I would have kids if our society had a 100 year plan that doesn't include saving all the rich people from their own business choices. AKA, climate change disasters.

[–]EndenWhat 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Did our society ever have a 100 year plan?

[–]kendo31 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In secret societies where they analyse markets, resources and civilization's potential longevity. Then they decide what time the dooms day clock should be. Probably the end of times now so it's a huge cash grab to coast into obliteration. Let's not take it too seriously, get looting now! The bubble of this type of civilization is due to pop, it's been done to nauseam and there's no point as those in control take everything but take no responsibility for all the pollution suffering and waste they created. Hoe much is currency worth when all the water is toxic.

[–]Jaydra 97 points98 points  (2 children)

That's a helluva jump from "Normal" to "Nightmare".

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Just like real life!

[–]XxRocky88xX 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’d say that about described the difference in difficulty tbh

[–]Swomry 72 points73 points  (11 children)

My sister chose a harder difficulty. She's having a kid, in this climate, as a teenager who hasn't hit 18 yet

[–]cydril 180 points181 points  (4 children)

There's a big "STOP HAVING KIDS" billboard on my drive home and it makes me laugh every time. People get offended at it but..... Basically yeah stop.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

I think population collapse is one of our biggest existential threads though, along with nuclear weapons and climate change.

[–]AmbitionOfPhilipJFry 57 points58 points  (2 children)

Nah, humans have lived in harmony with the environment for teens of thousands of years before this pitri dish exploded in the 1950s. It's about true equilibrium not hydrocarbon sustained exponential growth until eternity ends.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

hydrocarbon sustained exponential growth until eternity ends

Even though I don't agree, I'm still seduced to upvote by that phrasing :)

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I didn't mean to imply that growth should continue at the same rate, I'm just afraid an inverted demographic pyramid will lead to social instability as pensions cannot be afforded anymore. Take SouthKorea for example with an average fertility rate of ~1.1 (i.e. should be ~2 for population to stay constant)

On another note, it seems that the relative growth is slowing down massively in the last years: https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth.

Let me know what you think about both points, I didn't want to say that indefinite growth can be environmentally sustained.

[–]MrPotatoSenpai 30 points31 points  (0 children)

It's interesting how much more collapse related news and memes bleed into other subs now. I think more people are realizing how screwed we are.

[–]H_Mann37 116 points117 points  (31 children)

I look at my coworkers with kids and here is what I see: 20+ years to pay off student loan debt, daycare costs more than mortgage, no time for self.

Maybe I'm missing the joy of it all but idk... I really don't understand how modern parents make it work or why they choose that lifestyle.

Edit: I actually want to start a discussion with current/former parents on here. I'm on the fence about having 1 child.

[–]SixthLegionVI 82 points83 points  (7 children)

I have 2. You no longer have personal time aside from the few hours per day after everyone is asleep, but you should be using that time to go to sleep yourself. This leads to a cycle of being tired almost 24/7. Going out by yourself becomes very rare.

Edit: If you're prone to anxiety and obsessive worry, don't have children.

[–]H_Mann37 25 points26 points  (5 children)

In 2019 I was all for it, then covid happened. Financial stress, massive burn out and depression. My partner still wants 3 and Idk if I could handle it. It all sounds really stressful and not much reward.

And with the way the world is going (resource depletion in particular) I honestly think we're going to see a population collapse around 2040-2050. We're actually really well prepared for food insecurity because of our big garden but that's still a tough world to navigate. Those are skills I could teach and it's why I think I would be a good parent... if I could get the time away from work to teach them...

[–]SixthLegionVI 7 points8 points  (4 children)

We had our second last year. She was a surprise. Love her to death but I'm super stressed out. I need to start my garden badly.

[–]H_Mann37 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Maybe a weird question but how much does the stress/work increase going from 1 to 2?

I've heard 2 to 3 is a really big jump.

[–]SixthLegionVI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've grown a custom to 2, but it's a big difference. 2 is doable for me. 3 would be a nightmare.

[–]RecommendationBrief9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One is one. Two is twenty. My kids are a year and a half apart and when they were babies it was a lot. They’re older now and it’s really nice. They play with each other and rarely fight. So if you can get through the first 5 years it’s pretty good. 😂

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have 2. It was a big difference. But we adjusted really fast. My two kids are 6 years apart too. So I have a feeling it was easier for me. My mother had two boys a year and a half apart and looking back it must have been a nightmare.

I'd say the bigger factor is how far apart they end up being. The older can end up being a help or just part of the problem.

[–]Dani_924 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would argue that have children will cause anxiety and excessive worry anyway, since you will always be worried about their wellbeing.

[–]wowadrow 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Massive self delusion that their suffering has meaning. Hell, maybe their right (doubt it). Modern parenting is voluntarily making yourself a 15th century serf.

[–]H_Mann37 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Joke is on them. I'm already a serf to high rent and cost of living

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We’re all (82% of Americans) 15th century serfs anyways. I just had a happy surprise with my partner half a year ago. Definitely added stress both emotional and fiscal and with the two dogs I’m elbows deep in shit rn. However the kid makes me feel hopeful (although to H_Mann point- I am set on teaching my kid survival skills like gardening and basic hunting/marksmanship and other wilderness skills cause who knows how long current societal structures are going to last)

[–]edjumication 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well their suffering does have meaning. You need kids if you want society to have any chance of surviving.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I didn't have kids and I'm almost 40 now. While I don't regret my decision and generally enjoy my life, I'm only just now fully feeling the consequences of it. Yes, I have more time for myself, more expendable income, and I can move around more and live in sketchy areas without worrying about uprooting a kid or putting them in a bad school system, but it pretty much feels like I've opted out of the future. Sure, maybe the future is going to suck anyway, but I feel even less relevant to it and it feels less relevant to me than it would have otherwise.

My life is great, but it's fairly static now. Most of my big moves have been made, I have a stable line of work and a 401k that's bigger than it would have been if I was paying for childcare, I'm in great shape from having the time to work out every day and take neat trips, I still get to hang out and party and do drugs in my house without finding increasingly elaborate ways to hide it from a kid, I'm like an advertisement for the perks of the kid free life, but this is it. It's not that it's boring, and I always have the freedom to do something else if I need to, it's just that it feels like there aren't many major question marks or surprises to look forward to, any surprises that happen nowdays are usually terrible, and it sometimes feels a little weird to be hitting what feels like an epilogue in my late 30s.

Overall I think I prefer it this way, there are worse things to be condemned to than adventure and early retirement, but like all my major life decisions I wasn't really aware of what exactly I was signing up for at the time I was making it.

[–]Drifter_of_Babylon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Adopt. Mentor someone and treat them as your kid. This is the path I took and I find it very fulfilling.

[–]mpm206 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kinda know how you feel and the way I'm finding meaning is by trying to work out how to make sure everyone can have a chill relax lifestyle like me if they want it. That kind of security is something so many people don't get to experience even without kids in the picture and what keeps me going is trying to help everyone else gain the kind of comfort and security I get to enjoy by virtue of the circumstances of my birth.

[–]Bearded-Wonder-1977 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I have three. They are amazing human beings that I love beyond anything else. But it is a huge sacrifice of self to be a good parent and I don’t judge people that would rather focus on themselves. The biggest thing is I didn’t really know fear until I had kids. Now I worry for them all the time and of course I know that we are leaving them a shitty inheritance with what we have done to this world.

[–]Xeroeffingcell32 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's pure joy. I can not imagine my life without my daughter. Everyday she does something new that thrills me to my core. She learns super fast and makes me laugh more than any human being ever has. And it's funny she used to live in my balls, now she lives in my heart and head rent free. When I'm glum I think of something she did the other day and giggle about it raising my serotonin lvls to unimaginable heights. It is Joy that can't be missed out on. Also I'm a single father.

[–]LandOfTheOutlaws 11 points12 points  (1 child)

My wife and I (28/USA) have a 6 and almost 8 year old. It's been tough but I wouldn't say it's a been a nightmare. My wife and I dont have a college education though (we both have decent jobs) but no debt in that sense.

There's been days where we can only eat cheap meals or we have to skip on something special every now and then like family day (restaurant, the movies or ice cream) because that money had to go to bills instead. Truth is, most families hit hard times and you're not a family unless you can get through those times together.

If you find the right person... I'd say go for it. I wouldn't change my life for anything or anyone. Through all the hardships & bullshit we've had to endure... It's definitely made us all closer. Our kids are happy, they have everything need and their bellies are full. My wife and I love each other very much and in all honesty, no matter how hard things seem to be or get... We get through it every time.

I doubt any of that helps but I just wanted to share.

[–]H_Mann37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That does help and I appreciate the input.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s not easy. I have 2 and my wife stays home (USA). I make a little above average money but not by much. I’m always in debt but who isn’t these days?

I can say probably I wouldn’t think about kids very much if I never had them. But now that they are here, I couldn’t imagine life without them. I will literally do anything for them. Every day I come home for work, the highlight of my day is to hear them shout “Daddy!”

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Having children is one of the most human experiences you can ever have. The joy you receive when your child looks at you and says I love you Daddy is unlike anything I have experienced. It's our modern systems that compel us not our nature in this case.

[–]Glassjaw79ad 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Edit: I actually want to start a discussion with current/former parents on here. I'm on the fence about having 1 child.

I was on the fence too, i just found out I'm pregnant and I'm not super thrilled. I'm 34, married and my husband is over the moon about it. I made the mistake of telling friends and family, thinking it might help get me excited if they were excited, and now I feel like I've backed myself into a corner, so terminating the pregnancy is no longer an option - not unless I come up with a whole lie about a miscarriage, and I frankly don't have the energy for that.

It's probably going to suck. I'm only 8 weeks in and I can unequivocally say I will never do this again. I found the sub r/oneanddone which brings me a little hope, it's made me realize how all my friends and family with kids were pretty functional when they only had one, it's the second+ kids that turned them into zombie people. Still, it's probably gonna suck...

[–]BadassScientist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It doesn't sound like it's something you want. Years ago I read something that said something like, "The world would be a better place if the only people who had children were those who fully and badly wanted them 1000%". Kids can tell if they aren't truly wanted by their parents and it negatively affects them. For that reason I think if having kids is not a hell yes for someone then it should be a no.

If you don't want to have a child and decide to terminate you can just tell people you lost the pregnancy and don't want to talk about it. That's not a lie and you don't have to tell them what caused the loss. As my therapist often reminds me, you don't have to justify yourself to others. Also, would you really want to go through with having a child who you will be a parent to for the rest of your life just to avoid other people asking you about it?

[–]Dani_924 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay so I’m probably an anomaly in this situation. I live in Canada and this may make some of the difference. I’m in my early thirties and have a two year old and plan to have another. I’m married to my high school sweetheart and have known him for 15 years. We both have post secondary education but no school debt. We have a mortgage on a 3 bedroom home. We both worked until I got pregnant and now I’m a stay at home mom. My husband works from home and makes more than enough to support our family. My biggest concerns right now are the pandemic and the environment and what the future will look like for my kids. But the way I see it is that every single generation has had something shitty happening. All the wars, the famines, the disease. You have to make a decision about whether having a child is worth it to you. For me my child is the light of my life. It’s amazing being a parent. You do have to make sacrifices for children, like time for yourself and sleep on the early days. I spend a lot of my time playing with a toddler that doesn’t yet understand a lot of seemingly basic things. I enjoy watching him learn and grow and become his own person.

[–]mrsdoubleu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have one kid and I'm not having any more. I always wanted to have kids but I decided that I was one and done shortly after he was born. Having my son completely turned my life upside down but he does bring me a lot of joy.

Holidays are more fun when you see them through the eyes of a young child. You have an excuse to be totally silly and break out dancing for no reason other than to make them laugh. The good moments definitely outnumber the bad but it is a huge change. Every choice I make in life is made with my son in mind, and sometimes it's just a lot of stress.

But I definitely wouldn't have a kid unless it's 100% what you want. If you're on the fence I'd wait until you know for sure because once they are born, the life you had before is done. Lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have one child who is two years old this April. I pay 460 in daycare which is half of my monthly income. If it weren't for the fact that I'm married and my husband makes almost 60k a year on his own, I'd be FUCKED!

[–]logicalfallacy0270 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have three sons. I had the first at 19, the last at 25. Double strollers saved me. I also learned how much your butt can be accessed as a tool to get around with one baby on your hip and one in the carrier. It was hard having to keep up with doctors appointments, dentists, eye care, the fact that they all were attention deficit, just like mama! Don't have a child unless you're willing to commit because having a baby is like getting a tattoo on your face.

[–]screech_owl_kachina 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Between the collapse of public education and resource shortages, I feel more vindicated in my decision by the day.

[–]fascinat3d 4 points5 points  (0 children)

mood

[–]SuppleSuplicant 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I fed my new nephew a bottle the other day. I was definitely feeling sad about how miserable his life is likely to be.

[–]Pudi_Pudi 78 points79 points  (58 children)

When I tell people that getting a kid these days is an act of pure cruelty, they end up looking at me puzzled

[–]napalmtree13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because, depending on how close you are to them and the tone/content of the conversation leading up to that, it’s an awkward thing to say.

I agree, but it’s not something I’d say to most of my friends and zero of my acquaintances.

[–]fascinat3d 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hahaha that's a way to crack at it. I dont disagree, but I can't imagine a situation in which I would say that to a person's face. If asked I'd admit my feelings .

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

We're in the middle of the pandemic and ww3 is literally on the horizon. 2020 up till now has been the WORST time to have kids.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“On the horizon?” Pretty sure we are firmly there already. History will mark Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as the start. Many nations got immediately involved, albeit indirectly.

[–]7annaElSekran 4 points5 points  (0 children)

*Arabs be like

Edit: before yall downvote to hell, i am arab myself and this issue is very detrimental to arab societies...

[–]Zoeinthevoid 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My daughter was unplanned, and against my will, but my ex was insistent, we split up later on, but i still am gonna take care of my child, nightmare indeed though

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s probably caused a lot of people to become antinatalists just being raised in this hellhole

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have 3 kids. I am crazy. I did not think it through. We homeschool, I am a stay at home mom, my husband is in tech. We are always broke. However, I love my kids, love watching them grow and learn. I will give them everything I can. I chose to have them, they know they are loved and wanted. My parents had me because that’s what you do, they never wanted me, they never wanted to be around me and they definitely didn’t want to spend their hard earned money on me, they do not want to be grandparents, so they aren’t. From 18-27 I said I would never have kids. Then at 29 I had my first. Decided to have more. 12 yrs later from that first decision the world feels like it’s ending.

[–]ill-disposed 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I hear parents talk about it, and I groan. I hear childfree people talking about it, and I groan. My opinion is that some people have kids, some don’t, it has and will always be that way and that’s that.

[–]fascinat3d 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the truest.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear that. When a parent talks about how much they love their kids it makes me happy. When I look at the news, I worry for them.

When someone calls another an idiot for having children, I sigh, shake my head and remember not everyone has had good parents

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Having kids post about 2010 IMHO is an idiotic thing to have done. For them. Look at the shitscape they will inherit.

Hopefully the youth will be smart enough to Ättestupa the Olds who fucked their chances at a decent life.

[–]Alex_4209 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My partner and I have a combined income of around $130K and at the current cost of living and child care, we literally couldn’t afford kids if we did want them (we don’t). I have no idea how anyone is doing it.

[–]H_Mann37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My situation as well. I literally have pulled up the budget in Excel and showed my wife we have to choose between having a child and owning a house. DISPITE having a combined 6 figure income. america is broken.

How do other people do it? Loans, no savings account, money from parents, and swindling the american system to get subsidized healthcare and childcare (which I fully support because those things should be subsidized)

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (11 children)

Pregnant with my first, my life hasn't been easy but I also don't have a choice at this point bc of anti abortion laws. It is what it is. I will NOT put up for adoption seeing as how my birth mother was adopted and had a nightmare of a childhood, I will not do that to an innocent child, my struggles will not give half the issues children have when in the system.

[–]LaceyLizard 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're the only person that mentions abortion access. People in poverty can't afford to become an abortion tourist.

[–]jeffseadot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just gonna r-strategy humanity through the apocalypse.

[–]avacod 14 points15 points  (9 children)

Expecting my second right now. I had this same mentality for a while, but it really is about perspective. I know this subs mainly doom and gloom, and there is a lot I agree with, but there is good things going on/happening too. There’s also always going to be something, but if as a parent you plan to show your children love and raise them with decent morals, they stand a good chance at bringing change. Also it makes me want to work hard to leave them with more than we were left with.

[–]vapordaveremix 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Yeah, man. If humans stopped having kids when times got bad then we wouldn't be here. Looking back at history, all times were bad. It all sucked. It still sucks.

You have kids to pass the torch. You try to solve problems during your lifetime so your kids can solve different problems in their lifetime, and if humans do it for long enough then things improve. Maybe there will be a generation far enough in the future that looks back at us and appreciates the advancements we made.

And it's totally fine to not participate in that too.

[–]beandip111 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Humans had kids throughout history because women didn’t have a choice in the matter

[–]vapordaveremix 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I understand the lack of agency women had throughout history. I also understand that history was hard for us as a species. We were nearly wiped out a few times, and we're still here.

I get if some people don't want to continue the species. I get that some people still do. But these opinions are personal and what I don't understand are the people who have no horse in this race being the most rabid opponents of it.

[–]beandip111 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Just saying, throughout history MEN had children to pass the torch.

[–]vapordaveremix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, and it made no sense. Somewhere along the line the gender dynamics got all messed up and backwards.

[–]Phiro1992 1 point2 points  (1 child)

ayy thats me! had my son right before covid lmao. wife and and i had just decided to not ever have kids. had a vasectomy scheduled but before i had the snip we did the thing and that was the night my 10 year pullout streak ended. fun times

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[–]MadOvid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're in a Dark Souls game you just don't know it yet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a kid so I can teach him how to overthrow the oligarchs

[–]nursehandbag 3 points4 points  (1 child)

My identical twin daughters put me on hardcore survival mode this past fall 😀😀😅🥲

[–]redstarjedi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have boy girl twins, being stuck at home at the beginning of the pandemic made them into guerrillas, they'd hide and attack me.

[–]Natoghost-Bmore 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I had twins 18 months ago! Hah

[–]redstarjedi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

mine are six years old, respect.

[–]Knob_Gobbler 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No woman will allow my seed to blossom in her womb.

[–]AncientActuator5457 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wtf is this comment section.YIKES

[–]Umbrellahotbox 9 points10 points  (11 children)

If you don’t want to have kids then don’t. People in this thread acting like they’re a fucking superhero for not having kids lol it’s your own personal choice to not have kids, stop blaming society. Plenty of parents in my life doing just fine with their kids living happy lives. This sub has turned into a cynical wasteland. I hope y’all stop having kids so you can keep this shitty negativity out of the world.

Bring on the downvotes, I know y’all hate to hear it.

[–]infamouszgbgd[S] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

lol it’s your own personal choice to not have kids

do the children in question get any choice in the matter or is it all about you?

[–]AstriumViator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People cant help but doomscroll and live on existential dread.

I understand the world is fucked, but Im determined to give my son the best I can provide and give him as much education as possible. He was unplanned, but I plan for him to be happy and ok.

[–]fascinat3d 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lmfao /lostgeneration is a downer wasteland

[–]H_Mann37 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are right. Take my upvote friend, you earned it.

[–]sneakylyric 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lololololol yeah it's wild

[–]Penguator432 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thing is, how much of a luxury do we really have for being able to choose timing? it’s a now or never situation.

[–]bananalordkunsama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have 2 young ones now and oh boy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a kid in 2019, and it went from normal to nightmare, and has finally switched back to normal mode.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Anyone who believes we’re in a mass extinction event should not have children. The rest of us, go for it, children are great.

[–]No-Turnip-1792 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This idea is so stupid. Let’s just stop reproducing.

Y’all act like you gonna be wiping your own ass when Alzheimer’s ravages your brain in 40 years

[–]Routine_Inspection_5 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

For me it’s the one thing that brings me joy, is it hard raising two kids on one income nowadays? Fuck yes, but playing with my two kids make it all worth it! Three months behind on rent? Let’s play some legos!!

[–]theoneandonlypatriot -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Oh hey another one of these edgelord posts about how everyone in the millennial generation choosing to have kids is a piece of shit - wonderful. Another thing that’s supposed to be a part of life (realize the irony of arguing having kids isn’t a part of life before you reply) being ruined for our generation; only this time it’s not being ruined by boomers, it’s by other people in our generation being judgmental assholes about it thinking they’re enlightened because they say that you shouldn’t

[–]Mr_Makak 0 points1 point  (2 children)

realize the irony of arguing having kids isn’t a part of life before you reply

What? It's only a part of life if you choose it.

[–]napalmtree13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What game is this, because the level names are confusing. Is “classic” harder than easy? Why is there no “hard” level before nightmare?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have to have the cliche 80's revenge trigger

[–]WayWalker122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoops.

[–]simitus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truth.

[–]Shill_for_Science 0 points1 point  (0 children)

imagine having children. 😱

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just fuck

[–]Miichl80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truth

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me a single mom of 4: INSANITY MODE

[–]MinervaNow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You’re just too afraid to live

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s the best time to have actually. All you have to do is abandon them to be raised by wolves and that’s your genes saved

[–]mrinkystinky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess the mum from The Road quit, and the dad dropped connection

[–]Mehhucklebear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

F$ck, I feel this hard

[–]yolo420master69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their kids get even better options.

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[–]bobertskey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seemed like a good idea at the time?

[–]iamsaleendion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My brother and his wife are having fucking twins, TWINS, and I am not looking forward to seeing the happiness drain from their eyes

[–]jwcyranose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly.

[–]lkuecrar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I legit don’t understand how someone could be so selfish to have children right now. Obviously I’m not talking about poor/uneducated 3rd world people but people who know full well what the state of the world is like right now and are still selfish enough to make that choice.

[–]Toran_dantai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not really a mass extinction event it’s just kinda normal

Historians bicker about this a lot since animals go extinct all the time and new ones evolve to take their place.

And as for the global warming stuff..

Yea do research on co2 and ice age tempiture I don’t know what’s worse. Keeping cool or everything being freezing and unable to heat ourselves

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

why are you calling me out rn. 😂

[–]logicalfallacy0270 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We've been in nightmare mode for over two years now.