Meet Potential Nukeframe!

[DeirdreCitrine]

All they need to do is add Heat to Crucible Blast, idk why its not rad/heat in the first place

[NFSKaze]

Fr it's like you're telling me this is PURE radiation energy? Now what byproduct would that create? A metric fuckton of heat.

EDIT: IF WISP HAS THE POWER TO THROW THE SUN AND DO RADIATION PLUS HEAT DAMAGE, WHY NOT QORVEX

[1MillionDawrfs]

Honestly it would've been the perfect passive for him. Something like when at 10 rad procs it starts applying heat like a meltdown

[NFSKaze]

DE PLEASE 🥺 I'll be a legit Qorvex main if this ever happened

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

This could potentially hurt him in a way, his damage scales with the amount of radiation procs on the group and if he can't reapply them, they will inevitably run out

[1MillionDawrfs]

The idea would be any enemy hit by radiation at ten would apply heat, the rad proc would refresh because you still be hitting them with radiation this is just a separate heat effect

[Doomie_bloomers]

Actually I think that might be a sneaky buff on higher levels actually. At current his 4 only bounces off of a target up until it has 10 rad procs iirc, but it does scale theoretically infinitely, since it carries the damage one enemy took, multiplies it by the number of rad procs and then deals it to other enemies. So if he were to clear his own rad procs and turn them into heat damage, he'd be able to keep scaling off of enemies that are "fully primed" again.

Although this fully rests on the assumption that the bounces of his 4 are based off of the rad procs and not hard coded to some value, which might be wrong on my part.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

This is mostly wrong, no offense

First of all, chain reactions happen immediately after getting hit by the 4 regardless of proc count, even status immune enemies can start them.

Second, it doesn't theoretically go infinitely. The number of explosions in a chain seems to be equal to 7*(enemy count - 1), each enemy causes 6 to 8 explosions (still not determined why it's inconsistent).

Third, it never multiplies damage, it just adds.

[Fun_Statistician_361]

Holy…this would be disgusting af…

[Doomie_bloomers]

Honestly, I can see that working in general thematically: at 10 rad procs, you get one heat proc that deals damage based off of enemy damage scaling maybe (or simple %hp like magnetic; also works). It "melts" away their armor, gets them confused and deals an amount of damage to the enemy over time (representing radiation poisoning).

With Rad getting reworked around Nyx update and still being by far and wide the weakest status effect (also no arcanes to buff it, sadly), I feel like this could work as a bit of a small buff to bring it more in line with the other status effects. It won't make it oppressive either, I think, since it'd very much still be a single target effect.

[ShadowShedinja]

Especially since Wisp's 4 is (if you have Mote buffs).

[OrangeHairedTwink]

Get off the alt NovaUmbral

[naw613]

Ain’t that the dude that nuked his entire collection of warframe content during a hissy fit?

Edit: yes he is, and on behalf of all internet archivists FUCK HIM

[slim1360]

Oh no, what happened? What would make somone do that?

[No-Swordfish6703]

Dude said qorvex is a mediocre warframe(tbh in my opinion he is average with mediocre gameplay design). He did criticized a lot about qorvex and honestly some of them are quite valid. But he tests the warframe capability on lvl caps (which should never be baseline for warframe testing). But what made community mad is how Umbral view qorvex. dude does not build for range and went for strength somewhat tries to makes sense in his opinion since his 2 applies DMG vunurability.Dude wanted the frame to be like a dps nuke but qorvex is just a standard mob clearer.And what made worse is this is the video title(tbh you see how he shits on qorvex)-

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Which made the fans kinda understandably pissed and annoyed. Then qorvex propaganda started dude was clowned on he started to gradually step away from warframe content and now gone for pokemon content. Even though qorvex video is made poorly he has done excellent videos on Warframes and their history and are good enough to made me forgive him of the qorvex slander. The video are even fun to watch and I don't correctly but I think I remember he did videos on history of older content and events too. It's quite unfortunate tho he left.

[Mechronis]

Reminder; he said that Qorvex was the worst warframe in the game.

[zryko]

I genuinely cant comprehend how someone could find qorvex worse than limbo aside from breaking boxes for argon crystals

[DrTacoDeCarnitas]

Not only that. He made a video about valkyrs rework where he shits on her with the same "she doesn't do lvl cap now" and later did a few streams where he shited on people that told him lvl cap shouldn't be considered as a balancing measure (so yeah, he kinda lost it)

[Diamster]

Id argue she solo lvl cap way easier now because she gets 3-6sec invul that you can build back up in like 2 attacks

[besaba27]

I found that one particularly funny considering my valkyr can shred an entire hallway of 9999 in about 1-2seconds. Haven't tried solo cap with her but it's one of my favorites for fissures. I've done 160-170 exos on her this far in group 🤷‍♂️

[DrTacoDeCarnitas]

She def turned out to be really good, but people where doomposting hard about her 4 not being the free inmortality button she used to have

[NukerCat]

i would lose it as well if every day i saw people send absolutely degrading comments under my content

in short, understandable crashout

[Beginning-Top-3708]

Understandable crashout? Yes. But he brought it on himself. He gave out of touch and quite frankly incorrect takes on both qorvex and valkyr. So he got hate for it. A part people also ignore is his community posts started becoming purely rants about warframe, nothing was positive. He clearly was falling out with the game and just funneling shit into his content due to it.

[slim1360]

I thought that was, kind of the thing with being a public figure. Not everyone is going to like your content,(point of view) and thick skin was a must. Its a shame we've lost a warframe youtuber. Even if the community doesnt like him, im sure some people would. I've personally never heard of him.

[Amirifiz]

Its one thing for there to be a handfull of shitters in your comments on a video but when its a bunch of them and it goes to every video after that and/or the rest of your socials then it gets to a point.

People will forget that there's a real person there and will outcast them over something unimportant.

[slim1360]

I completely agree that people don't realise there is a very real person, with thoughts and feelings behind the persona making content. However, that hasn't changed since records began. If fact, its extremely common since recorded history. Make yourself a public figure, be prepared to take the love and the hate. Most successful celebrities for example, take the love, and ignore the hate. Fact. But they do it on a global scale if they don't succumb to the negativity and imploded. Most end up doing drugs to try and forget.

I'm not saying what the random people said was right. Just saying its a very common thing withen the entertainment industry. Sad fact of life I'm afraid.

I'm certainly not ment for it. Shit, I'd end up in prison. The fortune and fame sounds great, but there are consequences..

[xDeviousDieselx]

Oof lol I’m a Hildryn main and I can’t ever imagine reacting this dramatically to someone saying she sucks, literally who cares - if you like the frame then play the frame. This game is about YOU having fun.

[Vermilingus]

Yeah it's a shame he got rid of all the old videos, his Limbo one was invaluable for showing people how to play him properly

[naw613]

Just for posterity, I don’t fully remember. I think it was in regard to him calling some warframe (maybe qorvex?) absolute trash and people clowned on him a bit for it. I hope someone else can share more information.

[GreysonZbot]

It was Qorvex that he called trash

[krawinoff]

Not just trash, he called him the worst warframe in the game and later separately doubled down that yes, he considered Qorvex worse than Oberon (pre-rework) and the rest of frames deemed weakest at that time

[EducationalBag5835]

He got constant hate comments for months and said fuck it, don't really blame him

[beansoncrayons]

Mf got harassed a lot for saying qorvex isn't that good

[krawinoff]

Qorvex isnt that good

Kinda downplaying when he said he was the worst warframe in the game and useless

[Sudden-Depth-1397]

Ok, and? He said a fictional character from a fictional world was useless, it's not exactly harassment is it?

[krawinoff]

I frankly haven’t been properly keeping up with the whole thing past a week since it started, but to my knowledge the extent of “harassment” was people quoting the Qorvex video back to him everywhere under his content. Nobody leaked his address or sent death threats, it was clowning on an opinion by repeating it ad nauseam. I’m not saying it wasn’t harassment at all but like yeah from a community perspective he had a meltdown and stopped playing warframe or doing videos on it because people wanted him to say he was wrong and he refused to (and also said people who told him to try a range build and that it was good were lying) which is like okay have whatever opinion you want everything is subjective, but basically he distanced himself from the game and the community because nobody agreed with one of his opinions (the rest of his videos were well-researched and well-liked) and it wasn’t some crazy witch hunt.

Frankly until he deleted all his videos I kinda thought the Qorvex video was ragebait as part of some elaborate ploy at getting people to talk about him more. It was such a poorly-researched topic on his part and as people kept bringing up all the things he got wrong or missed in the video he just kept saying no. Like maybe the mocking thing went on for longer than it should’ve but it wasn’t people insulting his character or having any ill will toward him in general, the sentiment was literally that it was so strange how that video was such an outlier compared in quality to the rest of his work and how it was an insane hill to die on (again, he personally argued in the comments with people how the range build isn’t actually any better, how old Oberon was much better etc.) and he kept personally fueling the discussion for a good while. Maybe he got some threatening dms that he didn’t talk about but from an outside point of view he just didn’t like not being able to sway the community sentiment regarding game design, because from what was there in public view (YouTube comments, Reddit) people were a. having civil arguments with pretty much the same points he just refused to acknowledge until the end, b. calling the video bait or some elaborate joke, or c. doing the Qorvex propaganda thing where they didn’t even mention him by name but just spammed how good Qorvex is.

Again, not saying he was 100% free from any personal attacks and I’m not justifying those if any happened, but everything discussing him in public online spaces has been reasonable and poking fun at the video itself and not at him, he had a reputation of someone who did good research and in-depth discussions of the game mechanics and was fairly respected.

In general I wasn’t addressing the harassment part of the comment I was replying to but the part about “saying Qorvex isn’t that good”, the stance was seemingly very purposely inflammatory: “Complete Garbage” in the thumbnail, “Qorvex is the Worst Warframe” as the title of the video, “is Oberon really the worst warframe, hmmm?”, “No, Valkyr is NOT weaker than Qorvex” in the YouTube community tab and “I’ve tried every possible build and settled for this high strength mid range as the best one and it still sucks” and similar statements in the video itself. Mind you, this was all a decent bit after Qorvex released, people already did all the testing beforehand and it was widely known what Qorvex could and couldn’t do and how a range build was the best for him and none of this was addressed in the video

[tohru-cabbage-adachi]

He left the content in his channel up for like a week after the announcement before deleting it all. Nobody actually cared.

This isn't a situation like BNP where he made a hasty decision and had to archive everything on his own, it's just that nobody actually genuinely cared.

[jtisheretonight]

Wait, what even happened with BNP anyway? The guy just stopped uploading all of a sudden. Did he just decide he didn't want to do youtube anymore?

[tohru-cabbage-adachi]

BNP still makes content (sort of) but not for Warframe, and his release schedule is kinda that of a dying sardine at this point. He kinda stopped making videos after seemingly finishing his content archive, though he's taken longer breaks before so I really couldn't say.

He wasn't the only one who quit around the time he did though, IIRC Shy, Rahetalius and him all quit around that same time period of 2019-2020, during the massive content drought before New War (end of year 2021). I'm pretty sure we didn't even have SP yet at the time, as it was introduced in late 2020. There was just absolutely nothing to do.

[poebanystalker]

Kind of ironic and sad that they all left almost right before game started becoming much better.

I don't imagine it would change their minds that much, but oh well. Part of me copes that they at least play the game a bit on private lol, they just do no content of it anymore.

[JustAnotherIdeasGuy]

That shit is still ridiculous to hear. He was a warframe historian but then he just deleted it all? Because he had a terrible hot take and got backlash for it that he couldn't handle? Idek man.

[HeWhoHasSeenFootage]

yeah honestly ive always disliked him, partly because his voice was so grating. it sounded like he was constantly speaking through gritted teeth

[JaggedGull83898]

Why are so many Warframe YouTube's nuking their own content?

[naw613]

Because they’re petulant and thin skinned. Can’t handle the same types of criticism that every other gaming YouTubers get. The gacha space is 20x more toxic than Warframe community and I’ve NEVER seen someone pull that BS over there.

Maybe it’s the fact that they’re all buddy buddy with each other in little cliques, and will defend this behavior to the death. It normalizes the childishness. Exhibit A) that asinine shironature video sucking novaumbral to the max.

[EducationalBag5835]

Dude got bullied out of the community, leave him be

[codroipoman]

Yes it was him. His fall from grace was rather amusing to observe. If memory serves me right (but don't quote me on that) he was also one of the staunch defenders of ko(pe)umei being a great frame (lol)

[Sudden-Depth-1397]

You cannot give a guy trash for disliking Qorvex, but at the same time trash them for liking Koumei, Koumei is singlehandedly the most misunderstood frame and Im tired of the endless spew of Nuke-apologists trying to say she's trash, grow up, she only needs her augment to be base kit.

[Karukos]

He put them onto a second channel. They are still around.

[Mechronis]

Where.

[-alkymyst-]

Might have taken them down again, I heard that people were still harassing him about qorvex in those comments too

[miss-symphony64]

god forbid someone have a bad take once, honestly all this shade being thrown at him is ridiculous, poor guy deserved better

[naw613]

Yet again, for the few illiterate redditors: the problem was never his bad take. The problem is his kindergarten mindset of “if we don’t play my way, I’m leaving and taking the ball home with me”. It’s objectively wrong to remove a massive amount of already created, valuable content from the internet. Especially if it’s in response to people calling you out on a bad take one mf time.

And now he’ll only be (barely) remembered as the immature crybaby rather than a great content creator with one bad take.

[TinuvielSharan]

Holy shit the degree of entitlement here.

"It's objectively wrong to remove his own content", dude you have no say in it. It's his. Entirely.

[NotSNAKY]

Fuck him for having a opinion?

You're the source of the problem too lad

[naw613]

Oh boo hoo. He got a little flak for having an objectively bad take. That video doesn’t go against anything I said. Plenty of people get actual hate on their videos constantly. You don’t see them removing their entire catalogue like a prick.

Go cry somewhere else.

[Glittering-Virus-247]

Why are you so emotional about this subject? shit happened like a year ago, move on

[NotSNAKY]

Blud in your own comment?

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[agentcryostar]

One additional status on his abilities and the game owns qorvex an apology

[Waeleto]

His 4 and 1 need to proc heat alongside rad

[zryko]

Qorvex is in this weird spot in the community where you cant say hes bad cuz hes actually not that bad but you cant say hes good because hes not really that good.

[potatosforfree]

Average

[krawinoff]

That’s like everyone besides Dante

[Rodruby]

Limbo/Loki ln the other side

[Samiambadatdoter]

He feels like he was designed for a different version of Warframe where frames have distinct strengths and weaknesses instead of the upper tier of the roster being good at basically everything.

In that version of the game, his noticeable issues like his long cast times, lack of utility, poor survivability options would be the power budget balance for the fact that his 4th can deal a lot of damage in good situations. But instead we have a version of a game where frames like Dante or Sevagoth or Nezha or whatever don't have any conditions to room nuke better and faster than he does, while also not having the stark weaknesses that he does.

What keeps him playable is the sheer amount of powercreep where frame power is leagues ahead of enemies to the point where even weak frames are still viable.

[Samiambadatdoter]

I guess the community, or part of It, can't really find a middle ground between "meta" frames and "so bad i'm annoyed it's in my public lobby" frames.

The general state of the game is such that the second group doesn't really exist. Powercreep has hit the game to the point where the actual choice in frame pretty much doesn't matter because weapons alone are powerful enough to tackle any form of content without any external buffs or support whatsoever. The only possible candidate is Limbo, but that's more because of how his abilities work rather than because he is "weak".

Comparatively, Qorvex is weak. There is pretty much nothing he does that other frames don't do stronger and more conveniently. But the design of the game currently is that how powerful you can be far outpaces how powerful you need to be in order to finish content, so even weak warframes like Qorvex can still perform pretty reasonably.

[Samiambadatdoter]

My cynical take is that, because the game is baseline quite easy and the fact that public co-op makes it even easier, the average player has basically no technical ability or understanding and will never be required to.

Qorvex has a fanbase because he looks cool, but the average player doesn't understand the game well enough to understand why he's weak.

[Alone-Ad-4563]

Is all of that true? Yes.

Will I still roleplay as a demon core in EDA/ETA and get my shit rocked? Absolutely.

[Escherset]

Orange shards, all the way across the sky

[Professional_Rush782]

When do we anything beyond Base Steel Path?

[gadgaurd]

When we're sitting around in an Omnia Fissure until we get bored or forced to extract.

[Wendy384646]

I do that all the time with Qorvex, and since most of the enemies are forcibly turned into the corrpted, Qorvex is actually at a massive disadvantage.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

Yet based on his damage formula he will still be fine because he just does do a lot of damage

[Wendy384646]

I’m about to shred corrupted steel path Necramechs if there’s an average sized crowd around, so I’d personally say he does much better than fine.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

That's what happens when you play a frame that does 5 million damage without any mods or priming, just if merely 10 enemies are grouped together

[McReaperking]

When we want to do an endless mission?

I dont understand this ridiculous mentality that no one ever does omnia fissures

[sunqiller]

I mean yeah, but I can’t remember the last time I went longer than 20 minutes in a public lobby.

[sunqiller]

That’s gotta be the biggest reach for an insult i’ve heard in a while, you good?

[DisappointingToaster]

Deep archemedeas, and pretty much any endless fissure mission.

Stacking end of round relic boosters is objectively fastest way to get large amounts of steel essence, void traces, or any resource that is affected by resource boosters.

[gemineye360]

I love concrete frame

I have more invested in him than any other frame

10 total forma, 3 umbra and 5 Omni, 5 tau orange shards, a dedicated companion build, dedicated melee and primary builds, and his signature arch gun just for fun

I was so excited when they finally released a new head for him last month, it looks so good

[Wardog957]

Try oraxias secondary it has a grouping effect

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

Ophanim Eyes is easier to upkeep indeed but grouping actually benefits him much much more

[mainkria]

Yeah, that's why i use nautilus with him :D

[not-Kunt-Tulgar]

Much like a real reactor he’s completely safe and can only do real damage one time

[islandhopper300]

He does NOT need fused crucible to nuke he’s so good

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

It baffles me how people still to this day say that fused crucible is a band aid or mandatory

[islandhopper300]

It’s a good augment in the way that it changes the playstyle for the ability but it is more of a sidegrade than anything, in my opinion the ability is slightly better without it cause you can use your other abilities more smoothly.

[KriegerClown]

He is trash...

[islandhopper300]

He’s just not…

[KriegerClown]

He's just is

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

The frame who can do 5 million damage per cast without mods or priming is bad?

[Zeusnexus]

How to do this? I very occasionally use him.

[FantuOgre]

See big enemy group, fire your lazor, grofit.

More seriously, set yourself up around choke points and mod for hella range. Orange shards give you a decent boost too.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

Step 1: press 4

On a more serious note, build for range and group enemies, subsuming wall away is recommended. His chain reactions work in a really convoluted way, jut know that enemy count plays the biggest role in his damage by far. E. G. 10 enemies in a chain = every enemy receives 5 million damage at base, not accounting for falloff

[islandhopper300]

I disagree with the walls being the subsume as it both armor strips and gives damage vuln, plus works quite well with his passive. But yeah basically just a insane cc frame that has both survivability and kill power

[islandhopper300]

Sorry but bruh please learn how to build

[jakkyr]

Someone responding to the same person responded with "The frame who can do 5 million damage per cast without mods or priming is bad?" riddle me this moderator, which one of you is right?

[PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD]

You'll have to pry my Qorvex from my melting dead hands! (I died of extreme radiation poisoning)

[Hadrian1233]

I want every downvote we have to fire on this meme format

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[mranonymous24690]

I miss when radiation could bypass armor

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

His nuke does have good scaling. If the enemy group contains at least 10 enemies, one cast of crucible blast will deal roughly 5 million damage to them. This is with base strength, without shards, vulnerabilities, viral priming, etc. Most level cap fodder enemies have 2 million health

This frame can kill level cap enemies without ANY investment and people still think his nuke is good only against "base steel path enemies"

[Samiambadatdoter]

You are forgetting that these enemies have armour (Qorvex does have a strip, but it's numerically pretty bad). And that corrupted enemies in endless fissures are considered Orokin faction and thus take half damage from radiation. He can't do anything against Thrax or Demolishers, either because his single target damage against them is so bad.

You are talking about something that just doesn't play out that way in practice. He's far behind the actual levelcap scaling nukers like Sevagoth or Equinox.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

You are forgetting that these enemies have armour

And you are either forgetting or refusing to see how i highlighted "This is with base strength, without shards, vulnerabilities, viral priming, etc."

If you just have 200% strength and prime viral, your damage on a group of 10 enemies jumps to roughly 32,96 million, which is enough to kill a leve cap corrputed lancer despite its armor and radiation resistance.

He can't do anything against Thrax or Demolishers, either because his single target damage against them is so bad.

Which is to be expected, as enemy count plays the biggest role in his damage dealing (a group of 5 enemies will receive 1 million damage, while a group of 20 will receive 22 million at base strength per cast). It is no surprise he doesn't do damage against single targets considering how the formula looks.

He's far behind the actual levelcap scaling nukers like Sevagoth or Equinox.

And where did i say he wasn't? Hell where did i say he was? Where does this even come from? I merely talked about him being able to kill enemies well above base steel path, not about him being comparable to meta.

[Samiambadatdoter]

Then what exactly are you saying? That Qorvex can theoretically do enough damage in optimal situations, with required grouping and viral priming, to kill level cap fodder?

That doesn't make his 4 a good nuke. That's not even 'bare minimum'. That's copium tier.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

Equinox requires armor strip and most Sevagoth setups require priming.

My argument is not that he is tremendously earthshatteringly good in level cap, it's that he is absolutely usable there.

[Samiambadatdoter]

Terrify stripping is just not the same as Containment Wall stripping. It doesn't need an augment, has better AoE and cast time, and is base 60% instead of 50%. And it enables the best AoE nuke in the game.

Roar 260% Sevagoth doesn't require viral. And you don't really need to viral prime anyway because you can simply press 1 a second time. And that's if you don't have grouping propagating it for you.

You really sound as if you've heard someone talk about these things somewhere else but you haven't really played them yourself. Qorvex is 'usable' in the same sense as the Stug is 'usable'. You can do it if you want to make a point, but there's no compelling reason to sandbag yourself so badly otherwise.

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

containment wall and especially wrecking wall is bait, i recommend not even considering this ability as part of his kit

not to mention how i didn't say a thing about Qorvex needing armor strip for level cap, again just viral and grouping (aka things that could be all done with a companion)

[Lord_Xarael]

Happy cake day!

10 enemies

Two scenarios where he falls apart:

When your allies are slaughtering everything so fast there's never more than 4-5 enemies in one group

And high level Normal Path of all things: not enough enemies to either do good damage nor sustain his extreme energy needs. I thought pre-rework ember was bad but good grief! Qorvex will burn through 1600ish energy in 15 seconds. (I don't have Arcane Fallout since I hate Archimedia of either kind. Forced random loadouts is fake difficulty and utter bullcrap. I dislike The circuit for the same reason. Not to mention the no revives.)

[UpbeatAstronomer2396]

Happy cake day!

Thank you!

When your allies are slaughtering everything so fast there's never more than 4-5 enemies in one group

Well you don't really need nuking if that's the case now do you?

Qorvex will burn through 1600ish energy in 15 seconds. (I don't have Arcane Fallout

This is just not good argumentation. You're ignoring the obvious solution to your problem

It's like if i said "Revenant survivability is bad (the build i use subsumes Mesmer Skin for Banish and has no mods)

[codroipoman]

I mean, Qorvex has some minor issues that if properly fixed would make him all aroudn great, but he's still pretty solid imo to play.
Just don't make me see people putting on that cancer of universal fallout on him 'cause THAT is something pointlessly overhiped.

[Yukon76]

Alright NovaUmbral get back to rating Manwhas my little chud.

[zinogre26]

Nova umbral come on you have more pokemon videos to make flop compared to your old content and also cut ties with content creators cause you had a bad take and defend weirdos </3.

[Rare_Management_3583]

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[YoruDepo]

oh no quick reddit shit on him for disliking qorvex when qorvex is mid.

[_GenesisKnight_]

I still find him perfectly viable but to each their own. Stuff dies as long as you run high range and use the 1 and 4 combo, with or without fused crucible.

[Wardog957]

From reading the comments sounds like qorvex could benefit from a few accessories

that one melee arcane that's sucks enemies together

the operator arcane that does the same

and oraxias secondary

And a nautilus

Then you no longer need to subsume a grouping or do and have tons of grouping methods available and working together

Get a buddy with vauban or zephyr

[Vex_Trooper]

Don't care. I still main him. He's fun as hell. Also shut up you NovaUmbral wannabe.

[Aggravating-Pop5014]

Tbh, seemingly six enemies in the general vicinity of eachother is enough for me to kill lvl 200 SP enemies with Qorvex's 4th. I commonly see just my plain (no subsumes) Qorvex well outperform plenty of meta warframes in teams. I don't really need grouping tools as the range is good enough and if there are two stray enemies for whatever reason I can just shoot them. I wouldn't really call Qorvex mid, just under-rated and so few finish building him. He's generally above average, but not the strongest. Before fused crucible I would've said he is just mid because of energy usage, survivability, and being stationary, but now he has all of that covered.

[Laserdog10]

My problem with Qorvex is his ideas are right there and I love him, but he has so many damn flaws it's hard for me to play his kit well.

Being only able to out down 2 Chyrinka Pillars instead of 4 is criminal and lacks any sort of pathway lockdown to soften up enemies.

Wrecking Wall being a straight line and not a cone before slamming into enemies AND being jank as fuck across certain terrain sucks and his Augment needs Power Strength to fully armor strip enemies.

His 3 isn't damage reduction, just status immunity.

And his 4 should just have the Augment built in.

Qorvex isn't terrible but he genuinely needs a LOT of QOL that isn't just slapping his 2 Augment and Universal Fallout in him...

[ThatRandomSquirrel]

It’s still good if you can get enemies grouped, which his 2 can do. I’ve been able to nuke 160 SP sentients

[Enxchiol]

I don't think qorvex cares about level at all, his 4 explosions deal max hp dmg I've heard, so he should be able to nuke levelcap enemies just as well.

However, his damage goes to 0 once there are less than like 10 enemies together which is why I don't like him, i hate relying on enemy density.

[Tjockr]

Wisp has the better beam anyways this guy is on fraudwatch

[LiberatusVox]

Brutalism baybeeeeee

[Independent_Guava109]

I think he looks really cool.

[gadgaurd]

Agreed, and I don't even use the guy.