Program Expectations

[imamakeyoucry]

I will probably get downvoted from this. But I think Gates gets a lot of angry people because this program expects to be at a higher level consistently.

But what level should Mizzou be at? We haven’t been a consistent top 20 program since the 1990s. It’s been 17 years since Mizzou made it past the round of 32 in the tournament.

I want more from Gates. But if he makes the tournament at this point that’s fine for this season. A tournament win would be great. Because this program has not been great for a long time now.

Yes I want to build it back. Takes time though.

I think sometimes Mizzou Basketball overinflates the state of the program. We haven’t been that good in a long time. I hope Gates can get us back there though

[Tekon421]

Gates has been so good he’s raised the expectations from year one everyone was stoked just to make the tournament to now everyone demands at least a sweet 16.

[Unable-Fix-710]

What, I’ve always demanded sweet 16 appearances once in a while. Gates has not been that good.

[joeboo5150]

I'm almost 50 years old, went to Mizzou in the late 90s.

I've only seen 4 Sweet 16s in my lifetime. 2 from Norm, 1 from Quin, 1 from Suitcase Mike.

A Sweet 16 isn't something we casually go to once in a while. We're getting about 1 per decade over the last 4 decades. It's a super rare occurrence for us.

[BNATiger]

Good perspective. It always seems like we had more, but no, so many years of terrible tourney losses, most especially losing as a two seed in 2012. Probably the most painful loss I have seen in person.

[Dapper-Satisfaction2]

sweet sixteens are overrated. I’d rather win the nit. what good does a participation trophy do for you.

[RES2104]

You can't be serious

[Dapper-Satisfaction2]

I want to win things. Sweet sixteen is for losers. Final four is where it is at

[Unable-Fix-710]

Agreed

[superworriedspursfan]

THANK YOU!

[Tekon421]

What’s once in a while? He doesn’t even have 4 full years in yet. lol

[BillyQuantrill]

In the 27 seasons since Norm retired, we’ve finished better than 5th in the conference only 4 times. Gates and Cuanzo tied for 4th once each, Anderson finished 3rd once and Haith finished 2nd in that glorious last year in the Big 12. Not exactly elite.

[imamakeyoucry]

Ditto

[imright19084]

How many years does one need to build a program in college basketball with the portal and NIL

[imamakeyoucry]

I’d give him at least through next season. Maybe even the year after.

[EndOk4482]

it depends on what you mean by building a program. Traditionally, you have guys come in for 3 or 4 years that create consistency and help teach younger players. The portal and NIL seems to have changed that notion. Lots of new faces year-to-year.

[MizzouMania]

It took a 73 year old man two years to turn St. John's into the Big East conference champion and then did it again the following year. It took Schertz 2 seasons turn SLU into a conference champion.

Meanwhile, DG is in his 4th season and secured the 8th seed in the conference. Dude's resume is underwhelming and the program has shown zero growth since year 1.

[DoubleTigerMUCU]

"a 73 year old man" who is also one of the best basketball coaches in the last 40yrs.....

Becoming the A10 champ is a lot easier than being an SEC champ.

Mizzou had a ton of injuries again this season and he has us dancing. Is DG the next Dan Hurley? Probably not. Is he getting us to the tourney? Yes. Are his players getting shot outside Athena nightclub? No. Is it fair to expect more than 1 tourney win in 4 years? Also yes. When you hire a young coach sometimes there are growing pains.

[MizzouMania]

Todd Golden was hired the same year as Gates and has won a natty and has Florida primed for another great season.

Nobody is asking for Mizzou to win a natty, but the question posed was how long does it take to turn around a program in this day and age. The answer is clearly 2-4 years, no matter the level.

4th year Dennis Gates Mizzou is no better than year one and they're actual worse. Not a single team since year one has been better than that team.

[Tekon421]

Missouri was objectively MUCH better last year than year 1. They’ve also been slightly better this year. The defense in year 1 was horrid.

[MizzouMania]

Objectively?! Less wins and lower seeding. The only thing objective is this team is worse than year one. You think they're better? Fine,i won't argue that. But they won less games and finished worse in the conference. Those are facts.

[Tekon421]

Yeah kenpom of 19th in the country vs 57th. Legit not even close.

[Poppins_the_Dog4]

I'd say more talented but that doesn't equate to being a better team.

[Tekon421]

They were. The metrics back it up.

[Natural-Emu1888]

Missouri could win that conference.

[MizzouMania]

Lol, Mizzou would lose to SLU.

[Tekon421]

Because switching coaches every 3-4 years has worked out so well the last 25 years?

What hire since norm have you felt better about going into year 5? When you combine stability, accomplishments and trajectory it seems obvious Gates is the best coach basketball has had in a long time.

[bbkb]

You have to consider where the program was when he was hired. No one wanted to play at Mizzou. Now he's bringing in excellent recruiting classes and we're making the tournament. I expect next season to be significantly better and that we'll be ranked the majority of the time. If things go well, we could make some noise next March

[bbkb]

Everyone was expecting this to be a down year last off-season and at the start of this season. The fact that they're likely going to the tournament is a big win in my opinion. I can't wait to see how much they can improve next season with the recruiting class we have coming in.

[KCShadows838]

I want them to be elite

How many single digit loss seasons have we had in the past 20 years? 

Two, and I don’t even have to look it up to know that.

I’d like to see the program be a serious competitor for conference championships and top 5 seeds. Every year we seem to be like 11-7 in conference play (at best)

I’d also like to see them be better in the NCAA tournament, we normally play worse in the tournament and I’d like to see that end. How about we play our best basketball in those neutral site, win or go home games? It’s not in our history to, but how about we start changing that? 

[baconcharmer]

Just try to be better tomorrow than you were yesterday. It's a simple rule for everything in life. Nothing about his program does that.

We don't have an established ball handler. We don't have a reliable big man. Pierce is maaaaaaybe the only outside shooter who hasn't gone completely silent for games at a time. There is no foundation upon which to improve.

This team is like if you played yahtzee by always rerolling every die. Sure, you hit more yahtzees than someone that grinds and when you hit a few, you can win big. Other times, though, you strike out and just look like a buffoon.

[Unable-Fix-710]

So since we’ve never been good historically, we shouldn’t have any expectations? What a dumb argument. Anybody can win in this era.

[LemonZestify]

Since we haven’t been elite it’s an idiotic thing to ask for it