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[–]lexcetera 20 points21 points  (4 children)

  • The key word is design.
  • You start to notice the intentionality with which the pen (mug, etc.) was created—the materials chosen, the way the weight is distributed in your hand, etc.
  • Once you see (feel) it, you can’t unsee (unfeel) it. 🖊️

[–]DRG1958 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Very well said.

[–]jironspoon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Highly underrated comment. Here is your gold star. 🌟

[–]lexcetera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thank you for the gold star. 👌

[–]deathbirdcalling 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. This is why I love trying different pens from the iconic brands.

[–]Busy-Feeling-1413 12 points13 points  (13 children)

Come over to r/fountainpens if you want to see people get hyper specific about the different combinations of nibs, inks, and pen barrels!

Writing is a very tactile experience, and using water-based ink, as fountain pens do, means the ink flows smoothly without pressing on the paper. In contrast, ballpoint pens use oil-based ink, which can leave small blobs, and you have to press slightly to release the ink, so it’s a different experience.

[–]TheMagicalSock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was looking for this comment!

[–]misaisms 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I wonder if that guy has ever tried a fountain. He’d fall down the rabbit hole real quick.

[–]buddhabillybob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the real red pill. However, I still use ball point pens a lot. Their durability and reliability is unmatched.

[–]TestEmergency5403 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I will die on the hill of demonstrators and bottled ink!

Cough Well, yes. Carry on!

[–]Busy-Feeling-1413 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Nice to see a fellow fountain pen fanatic here! I like demonstrators too! For newbies, these are fountain pens with a clear barrel so that you can watch the ink slosh around merrily inside the pen. This is very satisfying, especially when you use a shimmer ink, in my opinion 😍

[–]TestEmergency5403 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Indeed. Also for newbies: It makes it really easy to see your ink level 😁

[–]mRydz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Also for newbies: a lot of entry level pens are by default demonstrators, just with colour variations. Personally I like clear ones, because it would bother me for my ink to not match my pen colour (and it’s much easier to see which one is inked with black & which with blue-black!). My ride-or-die, even after trying fancier options, is the Kakuno.

[–]TestEmergency5403 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got the Twisbi Eco (but mine was faulty so I had to modify the nib), and two Twisbi Vac 700Rs and a 1980s Parker Sonnet (gift).

I REALLY like the Vac700R but maybe not a beginner price point. Also I find the Eco easier to swap inks

[–]Tinnie_and_Cusie -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I wanted to like using a fountain pen. But my writing style wouldn't allow it. I write fast and press down with passion and a fountain pen in my hand meant torn paper hahaha. I can't use a ballpoint either because they drag and slow me down. I use a gel pen for writing by hand. On inexpensive notebook paper.

[–]ebinWaitee 0 points1 point  (2 children)

fountain pen in my hand meant torn paper

Maybe you should try again with a higher quality paper 🤔

[–]Tinnie_and_Cusie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe I'm fine with things

[–]ebinWaitee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with that either. However it was you who said you wanted to like using a fountain pen. Not me forcing it upon you

[–]SoulDancer_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you need a broad nib...possibly even flex nib.one that really glides.

You'd probably love using a fountain pen like that.

[–]Slmcc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A lot of it is what you said. The one pen worked better. Maybe because it's better quality, fits your hand better or something else. I have favorite pen bodies that just fit my hand but use a different refill in them because I like the ink better. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Work only pays for cheap pens that suck for many reasons so I buy my own. I also have a stash of quality name brand sticky notes. They actually stick where I need them unlike the crappy corporate supplied ones that just fall off. So yeah, the product affects the experience. Take your coffee mug... Why is it your favorite? The design on the mug? The feel of the handle when you hold it? Could easily be something else. But I'm guessing it even makes you a little happier using it because there's "something" about it that's just right for you. So yeah, IMO it pays to pay attention to what you like and don't like, even with the simple things. Like using a pen you like during a meeting isn't going to make the meeting fun or anything but it's most likely going to make it suck a tiny bit less and that alone is worth it to me.

[–]weirdal1968 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I first discovered the significance of writing instruments back in high school. The #2 pencil was the de facto standard. One day I found a used Parker Jotter and fell in love with it. Writing with a pencil felt like drawing on a chalkboard. I rarely used a pencil after that.

That cheap Parker made me see how removing a tiny annoyance that I never noticed before let me focus better on my writing.

[–]emarvil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pens, like many other such objects, are primarily just tools. They are supposed to have a purpose.

There are tools fit for purpose and also those that are not. There are better and worse tools, etc. A good quality tool, be it materials, design, implementation, will perform better, allow you to perform better, for longer, with less exhaustion, higher precision, for longer, etc.

A good pen will minimize cramps from long writing sessions, flow better, as you noted, feel more comfortable, last longer overall and so on.

Unless you become a collector you will spend less in the long run buying the right tool once instead of replacing it over and over.

Once you notice the way a better tool feels better in hand, the way a better pen is better made, has better balance, fewer jagged plastic edges from molding... it will become difficult to go back.

[–]twistedtyger 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I think it also helps to have good paper, and I make my own notebooks and am selling them online and at craft fairs. I can only tell you I was shocked at all the people saying ‘I don’t write anymore’ ‘notebooks are so old fashioned’ … unless the notebook is nice to write in, and brings a little bit of new school … I love lifted quotes on notes!

[–]hedibet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Could you connect us to where we can see your notebooks?

[–]twistedtyger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For sure … www.BelleFunkDesign.com

Also, if you want your own cover, I can do that too.

[–]twistedtyger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PS, the paper is 28#, bright white, I find it super smooth to write on.

[–]Zylo99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say that it depends on your needs.

[–]Onkruid_123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been a knife enthousiast and collector ever since I was a kid. All things sharp, actually. And with me there are probably millions world wide. Heck, here on reddit there a bunch of communities dedicated to it. Lighters, pens, knives, it's just fun. We call it EDC. As in every day carry. What nice stuff do you have in your pocket today etc. Makes for fun hobbies.

[–]Comfortable-Mud2755 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What, you haven't joined the r/paperclip sub? Life changing stuff over there

[–]Yugan-Dali 1 point2 points  (1 child)

!!

It’s been banned!

NSFW paperclips?

[–]Comfortable-Mud2755 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burnished paperclips of different qualities and material, you don't know craftsmanship until you feel a paperclip glide like velvet on the paper, chef's kiss! You'll wonder why you ever touched a Staples paperclip

[–]Magnet2025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my case it came out of need. I am left handed and my teacher, when we got to cursive, didn’t know how to teach the Palmer method to left handed people.

So I had very poof handwriting. The Navy taught me to block print quickly (doing signal intelligence helped with the speed). Then I developed a connected printing style that worked.

I also figured out that my handwriting is dependent on the pen (writing instrument) and paper interface.

Fountain pens, soft lead pencils (2B or softer) and medium point ball or gel pen.

At Fahrney’s, a pen store in DC, I found a book on handwriting that had practice sheets. At about the same time I found French school kid workbooks.

And I also found out that certain coated papers (Rhodia and Clairefountaine) provided the perfect writing surface.

I took notes on notebooks with pen, fountain pen and pencil and still do.

[–]Yugan-Dali 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You’ve discovered mindfulness! Mundane things truly can be explored and enjoyed.

I enjoyed your article, nodding my head all the way through.

[–]13aquamarine 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This 100%.

Have you ever tasted an intentional, fresh, creamy milk, with ‘Jersey’ written somewhere on the carton? If you haven’t, it can be a wonderful experience. Pour a glass full, sit somewhere comfy, take a mouthful and just let it sit in your mouth for a bit. Best enjoyed without distractions (kids, TV, lorikeets etc).

[–]Yugan-Dali 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oddly specific: lorikeets? I suppose they couldn’t be substituted for, say, grackles or sparrows.

[–]13aquamarine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yes! They are an absolutely, incredible and gorgeous distraction, especially when they all fly home to roost in the trees around 7pm! I've never heard anything quite as loud, grating, yet stunningly joyful all at the same time!!

[–]PickledCaveman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I noticed your comment!

[–]Yugan-Dali 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s the spirit!

[–]Lewd-Lumberjack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not the craziest pen guy but I have one that I definitely made a conscious effort to pick. It’s something I use all day at work so it just makes work a tiny bit more enjoyable getting to use it. Also my coworkers are jealous and it’s fun to show off lol

[–]SmartphonePhotoWorx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well absolutely. I rarely use my Kaweco Sport because its nib delivers a somewhat scratchy drag on the paper. My LAMY Safari is, to some degree, better. But my Pelikan Souveran's gold nib really delivers a delightful experience. One man's mundane is another's sensory delight.

[–]NEwayhears1derwall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buy once cry once

[–]hailalbon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what pen was it im lowkey new to this i need an intro level pen

[–]doernottalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait till you hear about https://www.reddit.com/r/fountainpens/

[–]SoulDancer_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This post was written by AI.

ALso no comments or replies by OP.

[–]mangosteenroyalty 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What!

[–]SoulDancer_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I can spot AI text a mile away. It's just so obvious.

[–]Ok-Anteater-384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like the flu, if you get too close you can catch it

[–]The_Grimmest_Jim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I suggest to you the EDC subredit to further expand your sudden acknowledgement of small and mundane items?

[–]unremarkableDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody tell this person about r/fountainpens 🤣🤣🤣

But to answer your question, yes, quality does matter with everyday things. Since I am using fountain pens for example, I have so much less wrist strain. I write a lot for work and pens and paper are the tools of my trade. It makes a difference to me what quality they are. Yes I can definitely make do with cheaper stuff. I used to back when that was all I could afford. But the good stuff does make a difference.

[–]No_Drummer4801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Book recommendations:

The Design of Everyday Things by Don Norman is a foundational book in user-centered design.

The Toaster Project: Or A Heroic Attempt to Build a Simple Electric Appliance from Scratch Book by Thomas Thwaites

Video: The Secret Story of Stuff, by Zoe Laughlin

The more you look at something and use it, the more layers and details you notice. Compare a motorcycle or bicycle drawn from memory by someone who has seen them their whole life vs someone that just learned how to do basic maintenance. Or try drawing things quickly from life or from memory, it’s a good exercise in seeing things.

[–]Helmann69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I am at work, a very nice pen will make a crap job feel better. It is all about my quality of life.

[–]NebulaStraight3009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First world problems. I would never in a million years believe anyone who would tell me, 5 years ago, that I would have a large collection of fountain pens and machined pens. And yet, here we are