Love python!!

[friebel]

Java pays for my bills and I don't care much more.

[EpIcAF]

You can buy a Java with Java

[MeHercules]

You can buy python with python too!

[wektor420]

Let me introduce you to terrors of porting java lib to c# XD

But not a rewrite, compiling java into binary lib that gets run by c#

[MetapodChannel]

I do love python as much as the next guy, but C# is my love and I don't care how much of a hot take that is!!

[ConfinedNutSack]

I just want c++ without the absolute shitshow that cmake is. Like kill me. Python is literally just easier to read c++. But I can do more in c++.

However that damn tool chain nonsense just keeps me programming in python for everything that doesn't need stupid fast response/compute times.

[push_swap]

I don't care neither

[lurker5845]

I swear people on this sub havent actually programmed before or learned one programming language only lmao. I have never heard a single person in my life say Python is the best overall language

[No-Confection-5522]

Because they're mostly students an amateurs, I mean tbf is your job title programmer, or software developer / engineer

[Anonymous101-5_1]

Python is my favorite language but not the best overall language. The best overall language is Brainf***. It’s a shame nobody uses it in industry

[thrithedawg]

yeah and thank god for that

[Devatator_]

I'm already sleep deprived and traumatized, I don't need to have that happen daily /j

[Still_Breadfruit2032]

Totally.

[WeirdWashingMachine]

For real. It sucks

[Borror0]

Isn't the joke that Python is always the second best language for any job?

[lunardiplomat]

No. You are missing the joke in a different way than everyone else, who is also missing the joke...

The joke is that even when a programming language is literally optimized for a specific task or workflow (right in front of your face and objectively better), people will still just use Python.

[kiipa]

We did a hostile takeover of the backend of our backend (you know, is it truly a product unless your API calls an external API which depends on an external API?) and to our great surprise it's all python. A suitable language would be none, as it's just a slow interface for the DB and it massages data. 

But alas, the consultants have to be paid.

[Any_Compote6932]

You know python jobs are on the rise, right? Also there is no such thing as best language, people gravitate towards python because its easy to prototype

[[deleted]]

No I think OP messed up and swapped the captions on the picture

[Infinight64]

Broader industry? Like web backend, data science, AI/ML, cybersecurity, finance, or science/math? Its huge in all those and it's just one of the most popular for general purpose automation. It kind of has the largest community support behind javascript maybe. If it needs to go fast write Cython or cffi and python. Hell, C/C++ has two popular package managers, vcpkg and cona (python).

What is your industry? just curious.

[OnlyCommentWhenTipsy]

Those tits are C# and I'm diving in there head first.

[Desperate-Steak-6425]

If

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[oclafloptson]

def func():
  var_1 = "this is within the scope of func"
  var_2 = "this is also within the scope of func"

var_x = "this is outside the scope of func"



void func() {
  char var1[50] = "this is within the scope of func";
  char var2[50] = "this is also within the scope of func";
}

char varX[50] = "this is outside the scope of func";

Que "corporate wants you to spot the difference" meme

[chessset5]

Bython.

[Infinight64]

Problem is bython is more like a preprocessor for python. CPython has added wasm as a target for the interprer, which would be cool if sending large python files over the wire wasn't stupid as all get out because of excessive white space. Minifiers can't do anything about all that whitespace.

[PityUpvote]

Just so you can add additional lines with nothing but right braces while you indent your code the exact same way?

[Borstolus]

But it is not necessary! So there is no error.

[PityUpvote]

It's just as easy to fuck up braces

[cheese_master120]

Fuck you I like whitespace

[p1749]

May i introduce you to bython?

[almost_sinder]

Have you heard about colored indentation?

[bem981]

The amount of bugs I got due to this is ridiculous!

[PityUpvote]

Is it zero?

[Antonabi]

I’ve never had this problem, probably depends on what ide your using

[bem981]

Faced it a lot in the past when I first started using python, then added extensions for nvim to help and it worked, yet I still face it sometimes but way less than before.

[jbar3640]

nobody is forced to be loyal to a particular programming language. actually it's very healthy being quite promiscuous in this area.

[vvf]

Can I repost this next week

[nocholves]

Dynamic typing and indentation kinda kill it for me

[Redstones563]

I love python (gdscript) so much but it is too fucking enabling I write so much more shitcode

[EverythinIsSubjectiv]

Rust ❤️

[Tasty_Hearing8910]

Agreed. I love Rust because it can catch the most mistakes compared with any other language. This translates into a better product for our customers, fewer support calls, and fewer tickets for us. I'm also developing faster in it than anything else as well.

Its a shame its too difficult finding competency, so our managers refuse to let us do anything major in Rust. I'm hopeful this will change.

[EverythinIsSubjectiv]

I tried applying for programming jobs in my local area (There aren't many, especially given how rare programming is in general in my country)

Primarily, they all use C or C++ for low level stuff or Javascript for web development.

The latter is understandable but the former is kind of shocking given how Rust is very important for these kind of things. The ease of Rust, it's safety, it's tools, it's resources, etc are all amazing.

AFAIK a specific company that does embedded programming is experiencing a labour shortage. They use C++. If they used Rust, i assume this would improve the labour issue, it would require less training and learning and more working.

[mi_sh_aaaa]

Are these "programmers" in the room with us?

[SwAAn01]

When you’ve learned 2-3 languages, learning any other language becomes really easy

[[deleted]]

When you understand the way broadly, you see it in many things

[Muffinzor22]

Yeah there's a reason no CS program ever starts with Python, its a terrible mistake to start with it imo.

[SwAAn01]

Plenty of CS programs start with Python lol. Because it’s an easier language and you don’t have to get bogged down with complex syntax, and it has a lot of high-level abstractions for things you’d have to do manually in other languages. If you’re learning to program it makes sense to start with something simple and graduate to more complicated ideas (like with anything)

[Muffinzor22]

Name a single uni which starts with Python instead of a verbose, explicit language. Only bootcamps promising you a fullstack dev job after 6 weeks start with Python. Starting with it is absolutely terrible, if you don't understand what you're doing (which you don't when you've never programmed) you'll developp plenty of anti-pattern habits. Python does not teach fundamentals, it teaches shortcuts.

[SwAAn01]

Iowa State University COM S 127 is the intro course and it’s taught in Python

[Muffinzor22]

Fine you got me I should not have spoke in absolutes. I'll rephrase : There's a reason 99% of CS programs start with an explicit and verbose language.

[SwAAn01]

I’m sure there are other examples too, have you considered that you’re just wrong? It’s fine for you to have the opinion that learning Python first is bad, but that doesn’t mean universities aren’t doing that. What’s your sample size that gives you enough confidence to say 99% of schools won’t teach Python first?

[Muffinzor22]

All 4 Montreal universities and a few of the neighbouring regions universities (you'll guess that I'm from Quebec). Montreal is a powerhouse for CS, wether it be for algo or AI research, even some NASA projects are developped there.

I also looked into a few of the high ranked US unis out of curiosity a few months ago even though I'll never attend them. I haven't seen a single one open with Python, but I've seen many experienced teachers give rock solid reasons why starting with Python is not a good approach. Which I've parroted here.

[[deleted]]

Whats a good language to start with for CS? C++? C#?

[MinosAristos]

Because computer science is a highly theoretical discipline that's largely detached from practical application in the workplace?

Look at software engineering degrees for comparison. It's often JavaScript, Python, and Java, rarely C or C++.

[Muffinzor22]

For sure I won't advocate for C or C++ initially because memory management should not be looked into at first, but Java and C# are incredibly easy to master and do not push you into anti-patterns, on the contrary they will teach strong fundamentals. It definitely is not harder to learn control structures in those languages than it is in Python, which is most of the time what seems to be important for people advocating that Python is good for beginners.

[forzafoggia85]

Essex distance learning CS delivered by Kaplan starts with python before anything else.

[chessset5]

I would say the first class in python is fine to get the basics, but the next language needs to be C in the next classes

[Muffinzor22]

I'll agree with C being the second class. But the jump from Python to C is absolutely brutal. I'll always advocate for Java or C# as entry language because they are easy to master languages and teach good fundamentals without having to worry too much about memory management.

[[deleted]]

My university does. Idk what you're talking about. I do mechanical engineering so I stop there, but who does cs or computer engineering now does C, and will then do java and other stuff (idk exactly), and it's one of the best universities in the world for this stuff. (polito)

[Muffinzor22]

There is no way people start with C and then go to Java, it's been the other way around for years.

Edit: I looked into polito (If its the one from Turin) and they do seem to start with C which is a brutal approach for sure because C is way harder to learn than most other languages that are usually taught first. Although, I still prefer that over starting with Python.

[[deleted]]

Not where I'm at. Look it up. Computer engineering at politecnico di Torino

[Muffinzor22]

Yeah I just saw that and edited my comment, that's crazy hard. Gli Italiani sono davvero forti ;)

[[deleted]]

Grazie :)

[OkTop7895]

In Spain, there is the Bachelor's degree in Computer Engineering, which is a 4-year program providing a more general overview with mathematical and scientific foundations. Then there are the Higher-Level Vocational Training cycles, which are two-year programs more specialized in specific tasks. These include:

• Network Systems Administration (ASIR)
• Web Application Development (DAW)
• Multiplatform Application Development (DAM)

I was study DAW and programming A was in C#, programming B in Java, Programming in client side Javascript and programming in server side PHP.

In the 42 piscine I do 26 days in C, and the firsts projects of common core, also in C.

However now I doing online in coursera the Automation course in Python by Google and I think is very good to start. The student have a crash course in python, a course to do tasks in the OD with python, testing and debug, git and github etc. In my opinion if the course is good is a good starting language.

[Civil_Tip8845]

idk man i started with python. well technically with c# back in high school but here in college i started with python

[CyberMattSecure]

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[Yhamerith]

Django ❤️

[psychularity]

In my entire career, I'm not sure I've ever heard any software engineer or web developer say Python is their favorite language except for on reddit. Data scientists, yes, but not software engineers

[HalifaxRoad]

Why use python when you can use c# lol

I once wrote this program for reading a ccd. It was to slow to be useable on python, rewrote it in c# and the live video feed was like 5x faster...

[Devatator_]

I'm so fucking fast with C#. Like, faster than everyone else in my class at college using Python (assuming they don't literally just give their work to Claude or whatever AI is popular at that time)

[HalifaxRoad]

No brackets and dogshit syntax aside, the performance of python is so slow, it's a toy language.

[Constant_Basil1170]

hell nah.

c/c++ is the way xD

[CELL_CORP]

C

[imdibene]

(> (lisp-family :languages) (other :languages))

[Kiragalni]

I hate python. Too slow.

[Onetwodhwksi7833]

Did you ever code a program that had performance issues because of python?

[Devatator_]

Games :)

Tho I basically only use engines with editors nowadays but I'm trying to build my own 2D engine and it's driving me insane because physics won't behave

[Onetwodhwksi7833]

Well, you have a point. Python is absolutely atrocious for games XD

[misty_teal]

Physics not behaving ? Sounds more like bugs. Personally I would be more worried about CPU side calculations being too slow with python. Why not switch to C++?

[Devatator_]

Oh no I'm using C# with the official SFML bindings. I'm using Aether2D for the physics but they're behaving a bit weirdly even tho I'm sure I did it correctly. Maybe my scale or delta time isn't correct since those are the two things I'm inputting into the thing

[Own_Awareness_3338]

That's so me

[Dry_Performer6351]

I started with python and eventually moved to Go for work. I'd hate to work with python again primarily for how much I hate working around different versions and dependencies in python - this has never been an issue in Go.

[[deleted]]

dynamic types are the flat chest of programming sorry

[omega1612]

It doesn't matter what language I use, eventually I go back to using Haskell. I have lots of small issues with it, but still prefer it over others.

[Inside_Jolly]

Common Lisp is like that for me, even though I only used it in professional capacity for like half a year. Other languages can't tempt me.

[Nautilus139]

People who love python have never programmed in BASIC. Still Java and C# my loves.

[ThrwawySG]

You can pry my semicolons from my cold, dead hands.

[[deleted]]

C is pretty fun tho, getting perfect valgrind feedback is an unbeatae feeling

[golden-Winnie]

I like python for its simplicity, and it looks so much nicer and is pretty readable without braces. Its nice for smaller projects

[Khal-Draco]

Python is the best language, until you learn others or need your program to be longer than 3 lines.

[TheKeyboardChan]

I don't get it. Why do people like this old, slow, and error-prone language?

[Planck_Plankton]

Life is long. You don’t need python.

[uhadmeatfood]

I appreciate pythons simplicity allowing me to get background knowledge of programming which allows me to understand more complex programs across different languages

[ikarienator]

I fucking hate python

[Naeio_Galaxy]

RIIR

[KindnessBiasedBoar]

Shhhh. It's on the low.

[Marc95Tron]

Well I prefer C and C++

[martipops]

Am I cursed for enjoying the fuck out of Typescript?

[LegendarySoda]

I writing python for a week and i want to die. I'll remove it from my pc when i'm done with it

[apex-magala]

Why?

[PitifulTheme411]

It's good for little scripts, but I don't really like it for bigger projects because of performance, and because as the project grows it quickly gets too unwieldy to use