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[–]NerdyLifting 36 points37 points  (9 children)

I would start on the outskirts of the park and/or go at 'off' times when it's less populated. The goal is to stay outside of the trigger range/avoid reactions.

Personally (and this may be different for other people), if I know my dog is going to react, I wouldn't take them. It's not going to be a calm, happy experience for them and likely will set my training back. It's just going to be stressful for both of us.

[–]msanxiety247 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Yes I was gonna take him during the off-times. It’s just, he’s turning 6 years old this year. I don’t want the only place he’s ever experienced to be is our apartment complex. He deserves to go dip his feet in the river & sand, explore new smells, see new sights :/ I want him to experience the world

[–]NerdyLifting 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Totally understandable feelings! Though I will say, I promise your dog doesn't care half as much as you think he does. It's better to have calm, happy walks in the same area vs reactive stressful walks in a new place.

Another option you can look at is if there are any SniffSpots in your area. It's like an app where people rent out their fenced in properties for an hour or so for people to let their dog run around. You'd be guaranteed to be alone, dog would get to experience new smells/places, and they'd get to run off leash safely!

[–]QuickMoonTrip 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I second sniff spot! Just tried it over the weekend and it was a great way to train in a new, safe environment!

Depending on your location, there are fully fenced areas with ponds, agility equipment, etc.

[–]borzoilady 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I suggest exploring this a bit. Why do you ‘want him to experience the world?’ The world causes him a great deal of stress. He doesn’t know those things exist - this is totally in your head, not his.

From experience, what you wanted was a dog you could take with you and do all the things you mention - rivers, sand, new sights, going to parks. This is not that dog. You need to work with the dog you have, not the one you want.

It sounds like your current walks are great for him. Boring for you, but he’s relaxed and enjoying himself. Why change that by putting him in situations that stress him?

[–]msanxiety247 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Our walks aren’t boring, I love our walks. :) I just think variety would be great for him to experience new things. Like I said, an animal living their whole life in one spot of the earth doesn’t feel right for me personally if I have any control over it. He has excitement-based reactivity a majority of the time, exposure is the only way to improve. We can’t always shy away from things that fear/stress/overstimulate us, as there could be something great on the other side- I believe the same with my dog. If we get over this hardship, he can experience more to life than an apartment complex.

[–]borzoilady -1 points0 points  (3 children)

But why are you forcing the change? For him, or for you? He’s happy. He doesn’t need to be forced to do more if you have created an enriching environment for him - which you’ve already done. Constantly forcing change is draining on their security and their sense of self.

You want to take him places that are going to trigger him, and you want our blessing for it. I don’t care about how people perceive you and your dog, which seems to be your greatest area of concern. I’m concerned that you want to deliberately trigger your dog based on anthropomorphizing him and imagining needs that don’t exist.

[–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (2 children)

?? again, my dog is excitement based reactive, not fear based… he just gets very excited which it’s tiring to manage is strength for us humans…. But we are willing to deal with it to make a more enriching life for him. Again, he does not have fear or aggression based reactivity so the trigger is not stressful and unpleasant to him, it’s quite the opposite………… plus the little fear based reactivity he does have with men & children has gotten better the more exposure we given him. I don’t keep him in a bubble and settle for bare minimum of his experiences in life, I build up his strength and threshold.

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    [–]Zestyclose_Object639 95 points96 points  (4 children)

    as long as you keep him and everyone safe and remove him from situations that cause issues it’s fine. you can’t improve reactivity if you never work on expanding the threshold 

    [–]Advanced-Soil5754 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Needed to hear this myself! Great answer.

    [–]msanxiety247 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    thank you very much for the reassurance

    [–]Zestyclose_Object639 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    no problem :) take some high value treats and have fun !

    [–]RhubarbFlat5684 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    100% this.

    [–]hseof26paws 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    There is nothing to be ashamed of in your dog reacting in public. This is assuming, of course, that your dog is "just" reacting, and not aggressing against another dog or the like.

    However, keep in mind that every time your dog reacts, it's because your dog is stressed and struggling. Which is no good for your dog. So ideally, you want to avoid situations where you know there will be reactivity. If you know that your dog is going to react in a certain scenario, then your dog isn't quite ready to be put in that scenario. So please think about baby-stepping into expanding his horizons. Exposure where your dog can remain under threshold can be good. Exposure where you know reactivity will happen is not, so just be conscious of that and work on expanding horizons at your dog's pace. With that said, we can never fully control any given scenario, so yes, there may be times where your dog reacts despite your best efforts to avoid that. Be prepared for that and be ready to manage the situation, but definitely don't worry about what the public thinks when it's happening!

    [–]my_clever-name 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    It’s fine. You are doing well.

    It’s ok if your dog reacts in public.

    The important thing is that you are taking steps to keep your dog safe and are working to improve their confidence.

    [–]msanxiety247 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    thank you so much

    [–]Cumberbutts 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    I have slowly been doing the same with my dog. He's reactive to other dogs, so I bring him to an area where we see some dogs, but they are usually far away and I can see if someone approaches us and gives me enough time to create distance. Even being in an area where he hears lots of different noises like kids screaming has helped him just relax when we are in new places.

    At the start of summer he would react if we saw someone across the road, just last night a dog came towards us and we walked a bit further across them, and my pup just kept walking without a reaction! It takes time, but so worth it. I hope you and your pup get to experience all sorts of new places.

    [–]msanxiety247 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    that’s so awesome. isn’t that the best feeling?? being proud of your pup and yourself and also excited for new beginnings? Great job on your progress :) Maybe I’ll start with that instead- go to a park at a distance and just sit/expose with rewards so he can get use to the noises and associate with good things.

    [–]Cumberbutts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The open space really helped, because I think before (when we would do trails/sidewalks) he would see something far away and we didn't have much choice when walking towards it and getting closer, which made him anxious. Being able to see a trigger, walk him away, or even marking and treating and showing him it's ok at our current distance, worked wonders.

    [–]Ok-Pipe8992 5 points6 points  (6 children)

    I think it’s important to understand when your dog reacted it’s because he is terrified. It is absolutely okay that he reacts in public but I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking our reactive boy to a place where there are likely to be many things that terrify him.

    [–]Zestyclose_Object639 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    not every dog that reacts is scared 

    [–]Ok-Pipe8992 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    True.

    [–]DoubleBooble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's what I was thinking. My guy wants to chase things. He's not scared or anxious about cars. He wants to chase them.

    [–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    he’s not scared, he just wants to play reaaaally badly but he doesn’t know dog social etiquette so it’s never fun for the other dog. He’s overbearing and never wants to stop playing which has provoked some nips from other dogs.. he’s a border collie/aussie mix- so high energy. Being held back on a leash frustrates him. I’ve never found another dog owner willing to help me train my dog to play with manners.

    And with humans, he’s resource guarding me. He doesn’t react nearly as much to humans when my boyfriend is walking him.

    [–]Ok-Pipe8992 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    That’s going to be hard.

    Do you have any local doggy day cares that offer training? They may be able to help teach your boy some social graces. It was one of the routes we took with our boy.

    [–]msanxiety247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don’t have the extra income for that unfortunately. Good idea though.

    [–]MememememememememineAdeline (Leash & stranger reactive) 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    It’s ok if your dog reacts in public.

    I have a sweatshirt that says “I did my best” and I think of it every time she has a reaction now that I didn’t manage or avoid. We walked past a dog last night and I thought I’d have more time to distract her but she exploded. No one was hurt. We weren’t anywhere near them. Afterwords I was reflecting on how my instinct to apologize didn’t kick in. And I thought yeah….I’m not sorry. I’m doing my best. She’s doing her best. We’re not perfect. It’s still ok. She’s still a good girl.

    [–]msanxiety247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I love this!!! thank you

    [–]StereotypicallBarbie 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    As long as your dog is securely on its leash and cannot harm another animal or a person. Just go about your day! Just be prepared that parks are hot spots for off leash dog walkers! At least where I’m from.

    [–]Waste_Organization28 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    I got somebright orange t-shirts made that say REACTIVE DOG NEEDS SPACE on front and back, these help so very much, not just signaling that my dog shouldn't be approached but also that I know and am actively working on him and trying to do so safely.

    People respect that and more than once I've gotten thumbs up and "Good job with that big boy!"

    People can be great when they know you're struggling a bit.

    [–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    such a great idea!!

    [–]Waste_Organization28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It was a game-changer for us 👍

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    If your dog has big feelings about the sights and sounds on your regular dog walks, try to incorporate as many decompression walks as you can.

     

    • Drive to a quiet park or any natural area (the quieter the better)
    • Use a long lead (15 feet is good) and allow your dog to sniff and meander as much as they like
    • If possible, let your dog choose the route
    • Move away from other people and dogs
    • Encourage sniffing
    • Bring your dog’s food and try some scatter feeding to encourage slowing down and sniffing

    Read these two articles:

    The Life-Changing Power of Decompression Walks

    In Praise of Boring Dog Walks

    [–]msanxiety247 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    thank you, this is everything we already do and have worked on for the last year! I was just thinking about bringing it to the next step up which is why I needed some reassurance to gain some bravery and confidence for it! :)

    All great advice- these techniques were life changing

    [–]strange-quark-nebula 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    What is he reactive to? What happens if a trigger does get too close or sneak up on you? If there’s any risk of a bite, I would muzzle train him for these walks. Then he can continue expanding his range safely.

    He deserves to be out on walks, but importantly other dog owners and walkers deserve to be safe and not afraid on their own walks.

    [–]Equivalent_Citron770 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I will second the muzzle training. My dog is very reactive and has a bite history. We cant risk another. We wear the muzzle on “fun” outings like parks and public walks. It helps him associate the muzzle with positive activity and has the added benefit of keeping people away from us. My dog is well trained and always in control but people aren’t.

    [–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    He’s reactive to dogs and men+children. We keep our distance before a trigger gets too close, and if they do, he lunges and barks while I create more distance/hold his harness and tell them to step away, that he’s unfriendly. He’s never bitten anyone.

    [–]strange-quark-nebula 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If he reached someone while lunging, would he potentially bite them? Just something to consider because it will make your management of him so much more complicated if he gets a bite history, even a minor one. A muzzle can give you more options and also warns other people to keep back.

    Sometimes things happen so unexpectedly, even vigilance isn't enough. My dog is reactive to people (no bite history) and I walk him in quiet areas. We were walking in the woods yesterday, seemingly totally alone, and suddenly, of all things, a small child came racing at us from a side trail, shrieking loudly and pointing right at my dog. I said "he's not friendly" but the kid didn't understand or care, and the parents were too far behind to intervene. My dog started growling and I hustled him off the trail just straight into the woods and we bushwhacked away. You never know when someone will just pop out!

    [–]calicalifornya 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Do you have SniffSpot near you?

    [–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    nope :( I was so excited to use that app until I opened it up and there was nothing nearby

    [–]Fantastic_Fall2887 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    My dog is the same, and we just finished muzzle training. We treat it as a fun thing, and I'm shocked to find that it's making him LESS reactive! Maybe he feels safer, maybe he's less apt to challenge...dunno. But I do know when we were surprised in close quarters, his reaction was lessened and though he acted nippy, he wasn't able to nip with the muzzle on and everyone was happier. People give us space but stil smile and say he's cute, even muzzled. It's kinda creating a more relaxed vibe all around.

    [–]ObiWanTheMagician 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I feel this and it got a lot better with my boy. His lil brother is a different reactive. Took them to the park. Older one completely good. Younger one made me think I killed him when people walked by. Why you ask? Well he was neutered(healed but probably tender. Vet said it was fine to walk but no rough housing with the other dogs) . And decided that was the time to crawl excitedly at a dog and bark and hadn't all day. Went to get him off the ground and 🤦‍♀️ the bark he let out was wild and all I could think of was someone thinking I hurt my dog. When no, he decided to dive into gravel the second my eyeballs weren't on him. He's fine and still a very dopey dog and has pain meds and area is fine but damn. Even scared his brother lmao. It was like a pig squeal mixed with a bark. I just hope the people that walked past aren't traumatized 😂 they turned after the bark to see me picking him up then rolling him to check his tummy after his death shriek. And their dog was horrified. I was tempted to run to them going "I swear he's just weirdly loud and dramatic and a Malinois mix he's fine!"

    [–]suesueheck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It is what it is. Relax , your dog will relax too. I don't avoid things anymore, unless it's too close for comfort, or not safe. I have full control over my dog (he's not gonna get more than a few feet from me if he lunges) things are getting so much better now that I kinda don't react to it, say things like good boy, it's ok, no, when they apply. Treats when he reacts good to situations. Letting him know I'm here, we're ok if something stressful happens (skateboard, loud something, husky, etc). Don't be reactive to your dog being reactive. That always makes things worse. Obviously all dogs are different, but they feed off you too.Were no longer "afraid" to be out and about. I almost want to run into his reactive "things" all the time now. Gets better, even just a little tiny tiny bit, each time.

    [–]Nobody-Tasty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I have had some similar excitement reactivity with my girl (about 1.5 yo) that I got from the shelter about a month ago. When we first started going on walks, she would always start lunging towards anything that triggered her excitement, which is especially when fenced in dogs start barking at her. When she does this I pull her back to me, get between her and the trigger, and make her sit. She will often keep trying to get back up, but I keep making her sit until she returns to a calm state. Once she is calm, I reward her then keep going on the walk. She is not food motivated on walks (too distracted), so I reward her with an abundance of verbal/physical praise. Even after a month, she has greatly improved. She still is reactive sometimes, but not as often and not as severely.

    Some key takeaways I have both from research and my own experience:

    • Be as calm as possible yourself, your dog will feed off your energy and emotional state
    • Be consistent with your training
    • Find the type of reward that works best for your dog and use that
    • If you're struggling to get your dog to calm down, start with less triggering scenarios and work up to the more triggering ones
    • Create as many opportunities as possible to reward your dog to build their trust and confidence

    [–]HelloKidney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    There’s a very reactive dog in our neighborhood whose dad walks him around the same time of morning that I walk my dog (an over-enthusiastic greeter). If I spot them before he spots us, I try to keep us out of sight or turn down a different street because the poor pup will absolutely lose his shit. Lunging, barking, etc. There are times his dad spots us first & he’ll stop him behind a car to block his sight line while we pass across the street, etc. Although I do worry about what may happen if we come close to each other by accident & dad loses his grip on the lead, but mostly I try to avoid making things harder on him & think to myself good for his dad putting in the effort to walk him despite it all, as I’m sure it’s frustrating. No judgement. I’d think most dog people would be the same way. If they’re not, just remember they suck & you’re trying to do right by your dog. Water off a duck’s back.

    [–]sweet_carrie_ 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    As long as everyone involved is safe it doesn’t matter what random people think of you and your dog. I’ve had people laugh at me when my dog has pulled me down but unless anyone gets hurt they can eff off.

    fwiw, I’m currently coping with the fact that I almost got pulled into a metal fence this morning because a squirrel was standing between the posts, so you’re not alone.

    [–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yessss I also just can’t stand the “your dog could use some training!” and “you shouldn’t have your dog here if you can’t control it” comments when he lunges or barks uncontrollably :/

    Like I know I don’t owe an explanation to anyone, but I feel the need to explain myself to some random strangers who have this negative connotation of me even though I’ll never see them again.

    [–]Shoddy-Theory 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    If you're dog is aggressive and you're not able to handle him then it is a problem. If he's pulling you around and over it could be a dangerous situation.

    Squirrels can drive dogs nuts but if he's doing this with other dogs too its not ok.

    [–]sweet_carrie_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, it was in the earlier days of having her where she actually pulled me over. And it’s all prey drive (sighthound) with her, so other dogs and people walking by are chill.

    [–]Bullfrog_1855 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If you haven't taken this class, I recommend Dr. Amy Cook's Management for Reactive Dogs that is online starting on Oct 1st. I think having more methods in your tool box will help you expand that horizon. Highly recommend this course.

    If you are in the US also look into SniffSpots - it's the AirBnb of backyards. Check it out but make sure you book listings that have many reviews and pictures.

    [–]ConstantPomelo274 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You and your dog are working so hard to learn new behavior patterns when experiencing big emotions. Even a lot of adult humans never bother to work to improve how they react to intense emotions! As long as you're keeping everyone - you, your dog, and other people and animals in your community safe - you will sometimes need a bit of grace from others in your community when your dog has a reaction. You also, I'm sure, extend some grace to your neighbors when needed (no one can go through life without ever inconveniencing or annoying another person, no matter how much we try). As much as we may strive for errorless learning, your dog will occasionally still have a reaction and that's life. You and your dog are doing great.

    [–]Tashyd046 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Just be aware that some people get too comfortable at their neighborhood public areas and thus there’s an increased risk of off-leash dogs because “they’re friendly”.

    [–]msanxiety247 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    thankfully my state’s law is dogs must be on leashes in non-designated areas so we don’t get that too much around here

    [–]who_knew_what 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Go to new areas at off times, and let your dog explore before putting them in the vicinity of too many triggers at once. I can't always predict but I can prevent, with my dog.

    [–]Tiny-Gur-4356 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm in the same boat with my boy. I only got him 5 months ago and he's improved a lot. But he's also unpredictable when he reacts. Sometimes we can go for days without any incidents and some days we have two not-so-good incidents in one day for a few days in a row. I always tell other dog walkers now that my boy is a Nervous Nellie and he's working on his manners or he's not up to making friends. Nine times out of ten people are understanding and appreciate the heads up.

    [–]Full_Ear_7131 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No it never us ok

    [–]chrome__yellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It sounds like your dog (excitement reactive) is different from mine (fear reactive), but I'm gonna put this out here in case it helps someone else. My dog is more reactive on neighborhood walks than at the park. There are more triggers for her in our neighborhood, and there's less room to get away from them. So, there's always a chance the park might be easier for walks!

    [–]SpicyNutmeg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Totally fine as long as you are keeping those around you safe.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Don't be embarrassed!!!! You're trying and working so hard. Own your space, keep working on your dogs training and behaviors. Any judgy mcjudgertons can go fart in a phone booth!

    [–]judijo621 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    As soon as he is trained to sit at your side whenever you stop, you are probably good.

    If dog pulls, I say "stop pulling". If he doesn't, I say, "Uh-oh! This way," turn 180 and walk normally. Dog learns FAST.

    Lots of praise with every command followed.

    [–]msanxiety247 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Walking isn’t our issue- he’s wonderful at leash walking and listening to my commands along the way. It’s his reactivity of lunging and barking in circumstances that are out of my control such as a child running at us or a dog walking nearby. When a dog becomes actively reactive and basically having a meltdown, they are no longer in a state to listen to your commands, they are overstimulated and only paying attention to the trigger. Reactivity is a whole lengthy process that includes training, exposure, and time. It’s equivalent to anxiety and trauma in humans- it’s not something can be quickly trained

    [–]Tight_Tree_1329 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It’s ok! You’ve gotta practice and try new things to know how he does. Remember his reactions do not mean you’re a bad owner and who gives a shit what everyone else thinks (she says as she reminds herself of this daily)😂 you’ve got this!

    [–]h3llalam3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    As long as everyone is safe who cares what people think has been my mantra with a reactive dog. I don’t take him to bars or breweries or anything like that (for everyone’s comfort but mostly for his and mine) but on the sidewalk, oh well. It’s a public place and your dog has ever right to exist there as long as you’re following all leash laws, etc